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tj444 -> RE: Iowa Primary results are in (2/3/2016 2:51:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phydeaux http://docquery.fec.gov/pres/2015/Q3/ Hillary has spent 25 million in the quarter ending 2015 Bernie has spent 11 million Cruz spent 7 million Rubio spent 5 million Trump spent 4 million Outside spending:https://www.opensecrets.org/outsidespending/summ.php?cycle=2016&disp=C&type=P Bush 56 million Rubio 22 million Cruz 13 million Trump 5 million clinton 2 million Sanders 2 million AND.. they are just getting started!.. by the time the election is over, how many millions will they have spent??? all those millions (or eventually billions?).. think of actual good things that money could have been spent on instead? how many lead water pipes could that money have replaced? what a HUGE waste of money on someone who will eventually win the title and shaft the voters and taxpayers of America.. just sayin'... oh well...

DOM68005 -> RE: Iowa Primary results are in (2/3/2016 2:59:49 PM)
What was surprising was how many went for Trump and his clown act. The next surprise in no particular order: Sanders doing as well as he did given his dream world promises. Rubio coming up Trump's tailpipe. Cruz cruising ahead of the pack. The good news was the lesser money spending candidates did the best if the financial reports hold up.

Phydeaux -> RE: Iowa Primary results are in (2/3/2016 3:28:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: Phydeaux http://docquery.fec.gov/pres/2015/Q3/ Hillary has spent 25 million in the quarter ending 2015 Bernie has spent 11 million Cruz spent 7 million Rubio spent 5 million Trump spent 4 million Outside spending:https://www.opensecrets.org/outsidespending/summ.php?cycle=2016&disp=C&type=P Bush 56 million Rubio 22 million Cruz 13 million Trump 5 million clinton 2 million Sanders 2 million AND.. they are just getting started!.. by the time the election is over, how many millions will they have spent??? all those millions (or eventually billions?).. think of actual good things that money could have been spent on instead? how many lead water pipes could that money have replaced? what a HUGE waste of money on someone who will eventually win the title and shaft the voters and taxpayers of America.. just sayin'... oh well... Hillary's leaked campaign document expects to raise and spend in excess of 1.4 billion dollars.

Phydeaux -> RE: Iowa Primary results are in (2/3/2016 3:31:35 PM)
Also interesting Huge evidence of polarization and radicalization of the democrats. 28 % of turnout (up 12 percent) described themselves as very liberal 40% described themselves as somewhat liberal 28 % (down 12%) described themselves as moderate. The spread between democrats and republicans 3k was the closest its been in a long time. I believe that the decrease in moderate voters, and lower turn out for democrats was a function of moderate democrats turning out to vote.. for Trump.

bounty44 -> RE: Iowa Primary results are in (2/3/2016 3:40:45 PM)
bill o'reilly (oh no comrades, fox news!), has been talking about the democrats moving left for awhile: http://www.foxnews.com/transcript/2015/10/26/bill-oreilly-democratic-party-moving-far-left/ quote: Back then many Democrats were traditional people, people of faith and family. And their party reflected that through the decades, John F. Kennedy was a traditional guy. So was Harry Truman and Lyndon Johnson. But today the Democratic Party has turned far left. President Obama has led that march and his acolytes in Congress are currently violating federal immigration law, embracing a quasi-socialistic economic theory. And as we reported last night even embracing radical anti-police groups like Black Lives Matter. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What do we want? CROWD: Dead cops. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When do we want them? CROWD: Now... (END VIDEO CLIP) O'REILLY: Now, it's hard to believe that a sitting president is sympathetic to a group that's calling for violence against American police officers. Remember, the Black Lives Matter leadership has never disavowed the violent anti-cop rhetoric we hear all the time. In addition, the Democrats continue to enable sanctuary cities. Do not openly support Kate's Law, designed to protect Americans from illegal alien felons. And a Democrat senator this week Blumenthal of Connecticut even blocked legislation designed to hold the V.A. employees accountable for misconduct and corruption. "Talking Points" submits that the Democratic Party right now has been hijacked and is trying to undermine federal law, undermine law enforcement in general and upend our capitalistic system. How many Americans even know that is happening?

bounty44 -> RE: Iowa Primary results are in (2/3/2016 4:09:30 PM)
a couple of articles that further the story: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/history-suggests-ted-cruz-unlikely-to-follow-up-with-new-hampshire-win-2016-02-02 http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/ted-cruz-new-hampshire-217663

bounty44 -> RE: Iowa Primary results are in (2/3/2016 4:57:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD FR Rand Paul quit. santorum now too...

Lucylastic -> RE: Iowa Primary results are in (2/3/2016 5:02:33 PM)
Huckabee is gone.

Phydeaux -> RE: Iowa Primary results are in (2/3/2016 10:47:16 PM)
Another interesting note: Cruz won Iowa - despite a plan to eliminate the ethanol subsidy. Its a good precedent for gutting all corporate welfare. On other matters. NBC gives Chelsea a 6 figure contract. CBS employes the borther of Obama's NSA. National Correspondent for ABC was married to the white house press secretary. President of ABC news is brother to Ben Sherwood, special advisor to Obama. Virginia Mosely Vice President of CNN and washinton bureau chief is dep sec of state. But we can expect coverage to be stirling and unbiased. Interesting report on media bias: http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=207

Lucylastic -> RE: Iowa Primary results are in (2/4/2016 7:54:52 AM)
quote: Interesting that Democrats, 4-1 will vote for a socialist rather than an evangelical. What makes it interesting?

Phydeaux -> RE: Iowa Primary results are in (2/4/2016 9:15:54 AM)
Well, a number of things. It is a marker for the growing anti-religion trend in the democrat party. It is interesting because market realities are forcing europe away from socialism. Finally, that having a moral code has been stigmatized to such an extent that democrats find it anti-conducive to voting for them. The painting of religious people as anti-science, extremist, etc has proceeded so far as to make them unelectable to the liberal mind.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Iowa Primary results are in (2/4/2016 9:20:53 AM)
While the religious argument is a good one, Phydeaux, I think there's an even more salient (and potentially dangerous) point: Every time the groundswell underneath Sanders grows, it alerts me to just how far down "Socialism Road", the "common democrat" has gone. Michael

WickedsDesire -> RE: Iowa Primary results are in (2/4/2016 9:46:57 AM)
@greta75 Trump came in second. That is a BIG deal! I mean, he should really be at the bottom of the list I agree I think him a dangerous man. An archaic fossil cave man mentality and intellect - if people wonder. i don't understand your voting system did people vote in these - I saw delegate numbers - and are they same as a super delegate - who can ignore the vote of the voting people and did any of them

Phydeaux -> RE: Iowa Primary results are in (2/4/2016 2:13:51 PM)
Wicked: The democrat party has superdelegates; the republican party does not. The votes and caucuses of the democrat party are responsible for 80% of the total. The other 20% - or roughly 747 votes are democratic party officials - office holders, DNC members etc. This is why hillary starts off with her thumb on the scale - she has already secured the endorsement of more than 500 super delegates. On the republican side, things are a great deal fuzzier. Republicans have unpledged delegates 163 are RNC members, most of the rest are assigned to the winner of each congressional district.

mnottertail -> RE: Iowa Primary results are in (2/4/2016 2:40:00 PM)
Not fuzzy at all, its like calling nutsuckers 'conservatives'. Unpledged delegates for all intents and purposes are exactly the same as superdelegates.

bounty44 -> RE: Iowa Primary results are in (2/4/2016 3:24:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr While the religious argument is a good one, Phydeaux, I think there's an even more salient (and potentially dangerous) point: Every time the groundswell underneath Sanders grows, it alerts me to just how far down "Socialism Road", the "common democrat" has gone. Michael I think though the mitigating factor in the "socialism road" though is that so many of sanders' supporters are young, and essentially have little to no clue about the evils of it.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Iowa Primary results are in (2/4/2016 3:51:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire @greta75 Trump came in second. That is a BIG deal! I mean, he should really be at the bottom of the list I agree I think him a dangerous man. An archaic fossil cave man mentality and intellect - if people wonder. i don't understand your voting system did people vote in these - I saw delegate numbers - and are they same as a super delegate - who can ignore the vote of the voting people and did any of them quote: ORIGINAL: Phydeaux Wicked: The democrat party has superdelegates; the republican party does not. The votes and caucuses of the democrat party are responsible for 80% of the total. The other 20% - or roughly 747 votes are democratic party officials - office holders, DNC members etc. This is why hillary starts off with her thumb on the scale - she has already secured the endorsement of more than 500 super delegates. On the republican side, things are a great deal fuzzier. Republicans have unpledged delegates 163 are RNC members, most of the rest are assigned to the winner of each congressional district. Wicked: First thing, Greta is from Singapore, not the US. Not picking on you, but just a FYI. Second, you are correct, in that the delegates could vote for someone other than who they were assigned to vote for. I don't know how often it's happened in the nomination process, but it's rare enough at the Presidential (Electoral College) level that when a candidate "wins" the popular vote in a State, those electoral votes are automatically assigned to that candidate. Until the elector actually casts the vote, though, no candidate is absolutely guaranteed those votes. The "delegates" that have been assigned to Bernie or Hillary, are delegates to the Democrat National Convention, where the real nominating gets done. That's also where you'll find out where delegates for candidates no longer running are going to go. Say Rubio bows out of the race. His 7 delegates will have to be reassigned to a candidate still in the running. The information Phydeaux posted is correct (at least in theme; I can't verify the accuracy of his numbers, but I'm not challenging them, either).

DesideriScuri -> RE: Iowa Primary results are in (2/4/2016 4:01:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 I think though the mitigating factor in the "socialism road" though is that so many of sanders' supporters are young, and essentially have little to no clue about the evils of it. What's funny, is how, in 2008, the Democrats were touting their candidate as being one of the youth and could connect with the youth because that was his charisma. They painted McCain and Romney as old and out of touch. How ironic is it that their two candidates are a whole lot older now? McCain would have been 72 at his inauguration. Romney would have been 65. Hillary will be 69, if elected, and Sanders will be 75.

DominantWrestler -> RE: Iowa Primary results are in (2/4/2016 4:28:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr While the religious argument is a good one, Phydeaux, I think there's an even more salient (and potentially dangerous) point: Every time the groundswell underneath Sanders grows, it alerts me to just how far down "Socialism Road", the "common democrat" has gone. Michael I think though the mitigating factor in the "socialism road" though is that so many of sanders' supporters are young, and essentially have little to no clue about the evils of it. It's interesting how Cold war propaganda influenced your generation. You would have thought certain lessons would have sank in. The lessons of McCarthy, Korea, the Vietnam war, Nixon, the drug wars, Halliburton, the patriot act, and the younger Bush's destabilizing the Middle East. Top this with the continued failure of trickle down theory and deregulation of finacial market which failed to help the economy during the first bush, partially collapsed the economy at the end of the Clinton presidency before finally causing the Great Recession Minimum wage is lower now than during Reagan after inflation, and the number of people making over half a million dollars a year is tremendously higher. Increasing the income tax ceiling comes at the result of trickle down inflation pretty obviously. And people making over $200,000 aren't really struggling. Bernie has a consistent voting record that has anticipated many of our biggest problems years if not decades before hand. Republicans will just continue to sell us to companies and special interest groups just like Clinton will. Bernie has principals. Feel the Bern

BamaD -> RE: Iowa Primary results are in (2/4/2016 4:59:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire @greta75 Trump came in second. That is a BIG deal! I mean, he should really be at the bottom of the list I agree I think him a dangerous man. An archaic fossil cave man mentality and intellect - if people wonder. i don't understand your voting system did people vote in these - I saw delegate numbers - and are they same as a super delegate - who can ignore the vote of the voting people and did any of them quote: ORIGINAL: Phydeaux Wicked: The democrat party has superdelegates; the republican party does not. The votes and caucuses of the democrat party are responsible for 80% of the total. The other 20% - or roughly 747 votes are democratic party officials - office holders, DNC members etc. This is why hillary starts off with her thumb on the scale - she has already secured the endorsement of more than 500 super delegates. On the republican side, things are a great deal fuzzier. Republicans have unpledged delegates 163 are RNC members, most of the rest are assigned to the winner of each congressional district. Wicked: First thing, Greta is from Singapore, not the US. Not picking on you, but just a FYI. Second, you are correct, in that the delegates could vote for someone other than who they were assigned to vote for. I don't know how often it's happened in the nomination process, but it's rare enough at the Presidential (Electoral College) level that when a candidate "wins" the popular vote in a State, those electoral votes are automatically assigned to that candidate. Until the elector actually casts the vote, though, no candidate is absolutely guaranteed those votes. The "delegates" that have been assigned to Bernie or Hillary, are delegates to the Democrat National Convention, where the real nominating gets done. That's also where you'll find out where delegates for candidates no longer running are going to go. Say Rubio bows out of the race. His 7 delegates will have to be reassigned to a candidate still in the running. The information Phydeaux posted is correct (at least in theme; I can't verify the accuracy of his numbers, but I'm not challenging them, either). 1968, one elector from a state carried by Humphrey voted for Wallace, that would be the last time it happened. Several states have made it illegal for people to vote for anyone other than who they are commited to for the first ballot or two at the convention.

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