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bounty44 -> RE: Iowa Primary results are in (2/5/2016 3:23:03 PM)

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this statement alone disqualifies you as a good critical thinker whose thoughts should be taken seriously.


that's an insult? as opposed to a judgment concerning the intellectual worth/quality of the post (or the poster himself for that matter)?

we have vastly different ideas then as to what qualifies as an insult.

we also have vastly different ideas as to what constitutes "a huge percentage" too.

that said, im with what phydeaux said, id much rather be here talking somewhat civilly. if you catch me being insulting, feel invited to drop me a private message about it.






Phydeaux -> RE: Iowa Primary results are in (2/5/2016 7:42:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DominantWrestler

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

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ORIGINAL: DominantWrestler
I tried being polite when I first started contributing and by the dozenth insult from you and Phydeaux and a few other individuals, curtesy kind of went down the drain. And do you think there is no hypocrisy of you insulting on a huge percentage of your posts only to complain about insults the rest of the time?



DominantWrestler - your memory is a bit .. faulty.

25 Violations of Law,
Post 47 you "nutsuckers suck nuts"
Post 57 you denigrated my "hill billy blog links" which lead me, in conjunction with your overalls to retort and call you hillbilly.
Post 60 you called me laughably uneducated;
you assumed I called you hillbilly because I thought you were stupid;
and most especially stupider than you
Post 61 I was too lazy to research your accusations.
Post 63, you said I was acting a fool, and suggested I be a patent clerk..
Post 75 I was xenophobic
Post 92 you said I was lying
Post 97 you accused me of lying again.

And it was post 99 after 8 personal attacks documented here, and a variety of other insults I made my first personal attack against you calling you a liar. Which, frankly, I think was correct because the evidence I provided about the democrats having a supermajority was clear, authoritative & unequivocal; and you continued to maintain they had not, and that I was a liar.

In representing that I had lied - you had, in fact, lied yourself.

I suggest you review that thread and your claims of your conduct. Personally, I would prefer retaining civil debate with you (and with everyone), and if you wish to return to that between us - I'm all in favor. Hell, we could have a voluntary code of conduct and put it in our taglines....




I didn't want to play this game and I'm not searching through 1000 posts. But check out Bounty's insult as his first sentence on the 3rd post for 25 violations of law


If you don't want to play the game - don't make the assertion. Otherwise - man up and prove it - because I'm calling you out. Your statement is flat out false.
You maintained that you tried to be polite until dozenth insult from bounty and I.

If you meant that you were polite until the dozenth insult from bounty - you should have said so. And my reply would be why were you insulting to me, if bounty was the person that insulted you.

I've already documented that you insulted me multiple times before I said crap. Don't like being called out? I don't much like being insulted.






Phydeaux -> RE: Iowa Primary results are in (2/5/2016 8:31:42 PM)

Iowa results are in.. or are they...

Funny when the best reporting comes out of the UK...

The party issued a statement early on Tuesday, detailing final delegate numbers that had Clinton winning the caucuses. However, the statement came shortly after party officials gave the impression to the Sanders campaign that no statement with results would be issued at all that night.

Instead, they were told “they would reconvene at 9am and let’s talk”. As of now, Clinton has a lead of just over two-tenths of a percent over Sanders in the overall apportionment of delegates in Iowa. This would equal an overall share of 23 delegates to the national convention for Clinton, to Sanders’ 21. The Iowa Democratic party has refused to audit the results.

The subject came up in Thursday night’s Democratic debate. Clinton expressed no opposition to the concept of an audit saying: “Whatever they decide to do, that’s fine.” Sanders was equally as relaxed. “Let’s not blow this out of proportion,” he said, adding,: “This is not the biggest deal in the world. We think, by the way, based on talking to our precinct captains, we may have at least two more delegates.”

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On Thursday, the Des Moines Register said in an editorial that “something smells in the Democratic party”, lobbing an accusation of autocratic methods, for “the refusal to undergo scrutiny or allow for an appeal.

“The Iowa Democratic party must act quickly to assure the accuracy of the caucus results, beyond a shadow of a doubt.”

In an interview with the Guardian, Silva made clear the issue in Grinnell was merely the result of confusion over party rules in an anomalous situation.

The precinct, which is the largest in the state had 925 caucus-goers and the Iowa Democratic party’s formula for apportioning delegates was not capable of fully dealing with circumstances in such a large precinct, he said. This meant that when people left the course of the caucus process, the algorithm wasn’t capable of dealing with the shift in delegates.

As Silva explained it, the Iowa Democratic party’s formula for apportioning delegates left no method of dealing with one delegate in the precinct. Silva had anticipated this and sought clarification from a party staffer and laid out what seemed to be the correct method. When results were reported to the central reporting center in Des Moines, party staffers, who were able to adjust numbers reported in the much vaunted Microsoft app used by the Iowa Democratic party before they were released to the public, unilaterally made changes. And, as Silva noted: “They did it incorrectly in my opinion.”

While Silva was grateful that he wasn’t called in the middle of the night about any issue, he was “kind of surprised” to see a result different than what he had reported the next day. Eventually, after lobbying both by Silva and former county chair Don Smith, they have received assurances that the delegate numbers for that precinct will be corrected. Smith explicitly told the Guardian that Iowa Democratic party executive director Ben Foecke had apologized to him over the unilateral action.

Sam Lau, a spokesman for the Iowa Democratic party, only told the Guardian about the situation: “We had been made aware of the concerns in this precinct, and we are in the process of reviewing them with local party leadership. We have received a small amount of flags from both the Sanders and Clinton campaigns, and we are addressing each on a case-by-case basis by working with our county leaders.”




Lucylastic -> RE: Iowa Primary results are in (2/5/2016 8:36:59 PM)

Yeah there has been some stink since monday..on both parties

coin tosses for the dems
http://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2016/02/02/the-science-of-hillary-clintons-coin-toss-victories/#498242356606



and Cruz sending out notices that carson was giving up and forhis supporters to vote for him..
Carson left the event to get new clean clothes(accross country mind you) is very unhappy with cruz putting out that info
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/02/breaking-carson-accuses-cruz-camp-of-foul-play-at-iowa-caucuses/

its been all over the news...




Phydeaux -> RE: Iowa Primary results are in (2/6/2016 12:30:40 AM)

Interesting...

This article says that if democrat party procedures were followed, bernie sanders actually won iowa 695 to 693..http://spectator.org/articles/65395/it%E2%80%99s-happening-just-i-told-you




Greta75 -> RE: Iowa Primary results are in (2/6/2016 12:36:05 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
and Cruz sending out notices that carson was giving up and forhis supporters to vote for him..
Carson left the event to get new clean clothes(accross country mind you) is very unhappy with cruz putting out that info
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/02/breaking-carson-accuses-cruz-camp-of-foul-play-at-iowa-caucuses/

its been all over the news...



So Carson has disloyal voters!




DominantWrestler -> RE: Iowa Primary results are in (2/6/2016 5:41:18 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: DominantWrestler

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

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ORIGINAL: DominantWrestler
I tried being polite when I first started contributing and by the dozenth insult from you and Phydeaux and a few other individuals, curtesy kind of went down the drain. And do you think there is no hypocrisy of you insulting on a huge percentage of your posts only to complain about insults the rest of the time?



DominantWrestler - your memory is a bit .. faulty.

25 Violations of Law,
Post 47 you "nutsuckers suck nuts"
Post 57 you denigrated my "hill billy blog links" which lead me, in conjunction with your overalls to retort and call you hillbilly.
Post 60 you called me laughably uneducated;
you assumed I called you hillbilly because I thought you were stupid;
and most especially stupider than you
Post 61 I was too lazy to research your accusations.
Post 63, you said I was acting a fool, and suggested I be a patent clerk..
Post 75 I was xenophobic
Post 92 you said I was lying
Post 97 you accused me of lying again.

And it was post 99 after 8 personal attacks documented here, and a variety of other insults I made my first personal attack against you calling you a liar. Which, frankly, I think was correct because the evidence I provided about the democrats having a supermajority was clear, authoritative & unequivocal; and you continued to maintain they had not, and that I was a liar.

In representing that I had lied - you had, in fact, lied yourself.

I suggest you review that thread and your claims of your conduct. Personally, I would prefer retaining civil debate with you (and with everyone), and if you wish to return to that between us - I'm all in favor. Hell, we could have a voluntary code of conduct and put it in our taglines....




I didn't want to play this game and I'm not searching through 1000 posts. But check out Bounty's insult as his first sentence on the 3rd post for 25 violations of law


If you don't want to play the game - don't make the assertion. Otherwise - man up and prove it - because I'm calling you out. Your statement is flat out false.
You maintained that you tried to be polite until dozenth insult from bounty and I.

If you meant that you were polite until the dozenth insult from bounty - you should have said so. And my reply would be why were you insulting to me, if bounty was the person that insulted you.

I've already documented that you insulted me multiple times before I said crap. Don't like being called out? I don't much like being insulted.



Post 41, BOUNTY44 INSULTS ME AFTER MY SECOND POST EVER HERE. Notice 41 is before my first outgoing insult at 47




DominantWrestler -> RE: Iowa Primary results are in (2/6/2016 5:43:34 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Interesting...

This article says that if democrat party procedures were followed, bernie sanders actually won iowa 695 to 693..http://spectator.org/articles/65395/it%E2%80%99s-happening-just-i-told-you


Hillary is corrupt. Bernie should win the Democratic primaries, but who knows if he will. Can we let the insults go now?




MrRodgers -> RE: Iowa Primary results are in (2/6/2016 9:11:51 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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Interesting that Democrats, 4-1 will vote for a socialist rather than an evangelical.


What makes it interesting?



Well they know that god doesn't make the economy serve ALL of society...only govt. can. Not as interesting as any...any Iowan evangelicals voting for Trump.




MrRodgers -> RE: Iowa Primary results are in (2/6/2016 9:20:32 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: DominantWrestler

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ORIGINAL: bounty44


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


While the religious argument is a good one, Phydeaux, I think there's an even more salient (and potentially dangerous) point:

Every time the groundswell underneath Sanders grows, it alerts me to just how far down "Socialism Road", the "common democrat" has gone.



Michael



I think though the mitigating factor in the "socialism road" though is that so many of sanders' supporters are young, and essentially have little to no clue about the evils of it.


It's interesting how Cold war propaganda influenced your generation. You would have thought certain lessons would have sank in.
The lessons of McCarthy, Korea, the Vietnam war, Nixon, the drug wars, Halliburton, the patriot act, and the younger Bush's destabilizing the Middle East. Top this with the continued failure of trickle down theory and deregulation of finacial market which failed to help the economy during the first bush, partially collapsed the economy at the end of the Clinton presidency before finally causing the Great Recession

Minimum wage is lower now than during Reagan after inflation, and the number of people making over half a million dollars a year is tremendously higher. Increasing the income tax ceiling comes at the result of trickle down inflation pretty obviously. And people making over $200,000 aren't really struggling. Bernie has a consistent voting record that has anticipated many of our biggest problems years if not decades before hand. Republicans will just continue to sell us to companies and special interest groups just like Clinton will. Bernie has principals. Feel the Bern

You forgot something.
You have to adjust the "high earners" for inflation as well so that huge increase of the wealthy falls apart real fast.

But then you have to factor in that 95% of the increase in income went to the top 5% (since 2009) which is far and away a lot more than taxes and inflation. So the tax/inflation playing field is still tilted toward them.




mnottertail -> RE: Iowa Primary results are in (2/6/2016 9:31:32 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Interesting...

This article says that if democrat party procedures were followed, bernie sanders actually won iowa 695 to 693..http://spectator.org/articles/65395/it%E2%80%99s-happening-just-i-told-you


That is nutsucker cockgargling, but not only doesnt it say that, but the coin toss is Iowa procedure in ties, or drawing names out of a hat.

There is no accurate factual count of total of coin tosses or number of tosses won by either candidate. There were at least a dozen with Sanders winning a handful. But it wouldnt have made a difference based on the complicated process Iowa uses to allocate delegates.

Of course, it is great pants shitting material for the imbecilic nutsuckers. They drool and beat their peeners over the felching blogs that give them the 'real inside hard hitting analysis' from people who don't have the IQ of a fuckin icecube.




MrRodgers -> RE: Iowa Primary results are in (2/6/2016 9:33:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: DominantWrestler

Remember, there is a huge difference between communism and socialism, and those hiding behind the guises of those titles often do so falsely. As for tax breaks, yeah, corporations are buying out governments. we should just do what New York State does and tax the percentage of business done within our country instead of allowing tax dodgers free reign


Not really. The only real difference is the speed at which they fail.

Socialism has a definition that has become so malleable that we can call it anything we want. But the 'socialist' is living longer, (collective health care insurance) paying less (more cost effective) has much less per-capita debt both public and private and out of those advanced, western 'socialist' populations...none are coming here. And...they seem to be a whole lot happier.

Communism allows for no private property or profits, where socialism does and thus has financial incentives. Communism has total central planning, socialism does not. Communism thus has total command of the means of productions...socialism does not. Communism has a very high flat tax on everybody...socialism does not. Shall I go on ?




MrRodgers -> RE: Iowa Primary results are in (2/6/2016 9:38:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

sorry---in Marxist ideology socialism is a precursor to communism; so what you call "right wing propaganda" is rather coming straight from the horse's mouth instead.

can you try posting without being so condescendingly presumptuous maybe?


So you mean gun control is in fact a precursor to taking away all of our guns ?

Nowhere in the history has any an entirely socialist system (or ever really existed) gone to communism. Communism all throughout history has been forced at the barrel of a gun.

What you suffer from is exactly the post new deal propaganda DW refers to.




mnottertail -> RE: Iowa Primary results are in (2/6/2016 9:51:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

sorry---in Marxist ideology socialism is a precursor to communism; so what you call "right wing propaganda" is rather coming straight from the horse's mouth instead.

can you try posting without being so condescendingly presumptuous maybe?



Sorry, in Adam Smith, Friedman, Ricardo, et al; free-market communism leads to a never ending spiral of prosperity and well-being to and for every citizen. That has been proven to be asswipe from the day it was scribbled, repeatedly and pervasively.







Phydeaux -> RE: Iowa Primary results are in (2/6/2016 12:17:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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Interesting that Democrats, 4-1 will vote for a socialist rather than an evangelical.


What makes it interesting?



Well they know that god doesn't make the economy serve ALL of society...only govt. can. Not as interesting as any...any Iowan evangelicals voting for Trump.


Government doesn't make the economy serve all of society. It impedes the operation of the economy for the purposes of those in power.
Under democrats, it strongly penalizes those making money in favor of those that don't have money.
It favors democrats, minorities, big cities at the expense of rural, white, non-democrats.

It coerces.




bounty44 -> RE: Iowa Primary results are in (2/6/2016 12:31:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DominantWrestler

[Post 41, BOUNTY44 INSULTS ME AFTER MY SECOND POST EVER HERE. Notice 41 is before my first outgoing insult at 47



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What makes it illegal is its company wide policies of outright libel and slander with full knowledge and intent to spread lies.


excuse me what?? you've pretty much taken yourself out of the serious conversation category with that whopper.


again, we have very different ideas as to what constitutes an insult.

if you believe I was wrong to say that, or I somehow hurt in you doing so, tell me, and i'll be happy to apologize.




Phydeaux -> RE: Iowa Primary results are in (2/6/2016 12:32:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: DominantWrestler

Remember, there is a huge difference between communism and socialism, and those hiding behind the guises of those titles often do so falsely. As for tax breaks, yeah, corporations are buying out governments. we should just do what New York State does and tax the percentage of business done within our country instead of allowing tax dodgers free reign


Not really. The only real difference is the speed at which they fail.

Socialism has a definition that has become so malleable that we can call it anything we want. But the 'socialist' is living longer, (collective health care insurance) paying less (more cost effective) has much less per-capita debt both public and private and out of those advanced, western 'socialist' populations...none are coming here. And...they seem to be a whole lot happier.


You judge socialism as a result of a very small snapshot in time, and space.
Europe has built up an infrastructure of knowledge, roads, cities, wealth accumulated over hundreds and thousands of years. But the plain truth is the standard of living is plummeting in spain, greece, ireland, iceland. It is also plain that the current system is unsustainable.

As for the - none are coming here - thats just wrong. The reason non are coming here is that in 1965 or 67 we adjusted the quota system to only allow like 12,000 people in per year. The quota has always been filled and its always many years long. Talk to people from denmark, sweden, italy, where the unemployement among the young is high. They would love to come here...




DominantWrestler -> RE: Iowa Primary results are in (2/6/2016 12:34:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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Interesting that Democrats, 4-1 will vote for a socialist rather than an evangelical.


What makes it interesting?



Well they know that god doesn't make the economy serve ALL of society...only govt. can. Not as interesting as any...any Iowan evangelicals voting for Trump.


Government doesn't make the economy serve all of society. It impedes the operation of the economy for the purposes of those in power.
Under democrats, it strongly penalizes those making money in favor of those that don't have money.
It favors democrats, minorities, big cities at the expense of rural, white, non-democrats.

It coerces.


What impedes business is the high taxes placed on all those not dodging taxes. Try doing what Reagan said, not what republicans have done. They shame the GoP. If it was not for these offenses, I'd still be republican




Phydeaux -> RE: Iowa Primary results are in (2/6/2016 4:19:29 PM)

If republicans were more like reagan - I'd still be a republican.




Lucylastic -> RE: Iowa Primary results are in (2/7/2016 10:31:17 AM)


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

quote:

ORIGINAL: DominantWrestler

[Post 41, BOUNTY44 INSULTS ME AFTER MY SECOND POST EVER HERE. Notice 41 is before my first outgoing insult at 47



quote:


quote:

What makes it illegal is its company wide policies of outright libel and slander with full knowledge and intent to spread lies.


excuse me what?? you've pretty much taken yourself out of the serious conversation category with that whopper.


again, we have very different ideas as to what constitutes an insult.

if you believe I was wrong to say that, or I somehow hurt in you doing so, tell me, and i'll be happy to apologize.


DW>>> Bounty has insulted dems/libs etc since he got here
his use of comrade, and baby killer, islamists, nazis, communits, etc is well known and understood and noted.




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