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Maine required people to do community service - 2/9/2016 3:49:52 PM   
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In the first three months after Maine’s work policy went into effect, its caseload of able-bodied adults without dependents plummeted by 80 percent, falling from 13,332 recipients in Dec. 2014 to 2,678 in March 2015.
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RE: Maine required people to do community service - 2/9/2016 4:58:23 PM   
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I want a source if only to see what community service entails.

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RE: Maine required people to do community service - 2/9/2016 5:18:54 PM   
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In the first three months after Maine’s work policy went into effect, its caseload of able-bodied adults without dependents plummeted by 80 percent, falling from 13,332 recipients in Dec. 2014 to 2,678 in March 2015.


It's not as rosy as it might seem...

9,000 Maine Residents Lose Food Stamps Under New Rules

Yes, I know that's an incredibly biased source, but...

Maine Food Stamp Work Requirement Cuts Non-Parent Caseload by 80 Percent
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    Job openings for lower-skill workers are abundant in Maine, and for those ABAWD recipients who cannot find immediate employment, Maine offers both training and community service slots. In response to the new work requirement, however, most ABAWDs in Maine refused to participate in training or community service, despite vigorous outreach efforts by the government to encourage participation. When ABAWD recipients refused to participate, their food stamp benefits ceased.


So, the big questions are, are the people who refused to participate getting food? Did they find jobs? Did they already have a job?

Of those people, how many are actually getting fucked by the system?

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RE: Maine required people to do community service - 2/9/2016 5:32:11 PM   
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Here's the article. http://cnsnews.com/commentary/robert-rector/when-maine-required-childless-adults-work-get-food-stamps-guess-what

The interesting thing is that ME is just following the Welfare Reform act signed into FEDERAL law by..........................wait for it................................Clinton.

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RE: Maine required people to do community service - 2/9/2016 5:44:04 PM   
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No.
The insteresting thing is obama administraiton allowed 34 states to waive the work/school/community service requirements. Maine's governor refused to waive the requirement any longer, and the number of recipients dropped precipitously.

I expect a modest rebound after political pressure is brought to bear - but Le Paige is maverick enough to buck it. It will bounce higher, but if you're not hungry enough to do community for service for help, I'm completely ok you not being helped.

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RE: Maine required people to do community service - 2/9/2016 5:57:13 PM   
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No.
The insteresting thing is obama administraiton allowed 34 states to waive the work/school/community service requirements. Maine's governor refused to waive the requirement any longer, and the number of recipients dropped precipitously.

I expect a modest rebound after political pressure is brought to bear - but Le Paige is maverick enough to buck it. It will bounce higher, but if you're not hungry enough to do community for service for help, I'm completely ok you not being helped.

Aren't you for state's rights?

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RE: Maine required people to do community service - 2/9/2016 8:46:05 PM   
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Yes. And?

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RE: Maine required people to do community service - 2/10/2016 2:51:07 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
In the first three months after Maine’s work policy went into effect, its caseload of able-bodied adults without dependents plummeted by 80 percent, falling from 13,332 recipients in Dec. 2014 to 2,678 in March 2015.


It's not as rosy as it might seem...

9,000 Maine Residents Lose Food Stamps Under New Rules

Yes, I know that's an incredibly biased source, but...

Maine Food Stamp Work Requirement Cuts Non-Parent Caseload by 80 Percent
    quote:

    Job openings for lower-skill workers are abundant in Maine, and for those ABAWD recipients who cannot find immediate employment, Maine offers both training and community service slots. In response to the new work requirement, however, most ABAWDs in Maine refused to participate in training or community service, despite vigorous outreach efforts by the government to encourage participation. When ABAWD recipients refused to participate, their food stamp benefits ceased.


So, the big questions are, are the people who refused to participate getting food? Did they find jobs? Did they already have a job?

Of those people, how many are actually getting fucked by the system?


I was already thinking of this going into your heritage link, that the majority of people with whom I have worked, or see, who are getting assistance for food, are far from going hungry and have money they are using for less important things:

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A common perception is that food stamp recipients barely have enough money to feed themselves. Many ABAWDs, however, have discretionary income, and this income is often used for counterproductive or non-essential purposes. For example, the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES) shows that cigarette smoking is common among ABAWDs on food stamps. As Table 1 shows, over 50 percent of ABAWDs smoked cigarettes during the past 30 days. These ABAWDs smoked almost every day, consuming on average 19 packs of cigarettes during the month. The average cost of these cigarettes was around $111 per month.[13]

This sum equals 63 percent of the food costs for a single adult under the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s “thrifty food plan” (the USDA standard for an economical, nutritious diet).[14] In other words, these individuals are spending nearly two-thirds of monthly expected food costs on cigarettes and then relying on taxpayers to provide for their food expenses through the food stamp program. Food stamp benefits allow these individuals to divert cash resources from food purchases to cigarettes. Food stamps therefore enable heavy cigarette use in the ABAWD group...

In an average month, only around 20 percent of ABAWDs receiving food stamps report earned income to the food stamp office.[15] However, off-the-books earnings are common among low-income persons and welfare recipients. For example, an analysis done in the early 1990s of single mothers receiving AFDC benefits found that each month, around 40 percent of mothers had off-the-books income that they did not report to the welfare office.[16] Those with off-the-books income reported around $425 per month (in current dollars) in hidden income...


this is somewhat shocking---the minimum requirement to continue to receive benefits after an initial 3 months, is:

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...3. By performing community service for [as little] as six hours per week...


also there's this:

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Broad exceptions to the work requirement have been built into federal law. Under the 1996 welfare reform act, a state can request a waiver from the ABAWD work requirement for the entire state or parts of the state if the state or area has “a recent 12 month average unemployment rate over 10 percent; a recent three month average unemployment rate over 10 percent; or an historical seasonal unemployment rate over 10 percent.”[22]


this is a neat stat:

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A Rasmussen poll taken on July 18, 2012, found that “83% of American Adults favor a work requirement as a condition for receiving welfare assistance.


almost every place ive ever lived/worked has a soup kitchen and a multiplicity of food pantries.

my suspicion would be, the people who stopped getting government assistance by virtue of not participating in the program, are probably doing okay, or have enough money to do okay if they make wiser choices.


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RE: Maine required people to do community service - 2/10/2016 4:40:51 PM   
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quote:

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I was already thinking of this going into your heritage link, that the majority of people with whom I have worked, or see, who are getting assistance for food, are far from going hungry and have money they are using for less important things:
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A common perception is that food stamp recipients barely have enough money to feed themselves. Many ABAWDs, however, have discretionary income, and this income is often used for counterproductive or non-essential purposes. For example, the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES) shows that cigarette smoking is common among ABAWDs on food stamps. As Table 1 shows, over 50 percent of ABAWDs smoked cigarettes during the past 30 days. These ABAWDs smoked almost every day, consuming on average 19 packs of cigarettes during the month. The average cost of these cigarettes was around $111 per month.[13]
This sum equals 63 percent of the food costs for a single adult under the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s “thrifty food plan” (the USDA standard for an economical, nutritious diet).[14] In other words, these individuals are spending nearly two-thirds of monthly expected food costs on cigarettes and then relying on taxpayers to provide for their food expenses through the food stamp program. Food stamp benefits allow these individuals to divert cash resources from food purchases to cigarettes. Food stamps therefore enable heavy cigarette use in the ABAWD group...
In an average month, only around 20 percent of ABAWDs receiving food stamps report earned income to the food stamp office.[15] However, off-the-books earnings are common among low-income persons and welfare recipients. For example, an analysis done in the early 1990s of single mothers receiving AFDC benefits found that each month, around 40 percent of mothers had off-the-books income that they did not report to the welfare office.[16] Those with off-the-books income reported around $425 per month (in current dollars) in hidden income...


Yeah, welfare abusers really piss me off. Those people are just soaking up money that could have either gone to someone who actually needed it, or not been taken from a taxpayer in the first place. I've been behind couples who pay for the basics with food stamps and then cash for the beer, cigarettes, etc.

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this is somewhat shocking---the minimum requirement to continue to receive benefits after an initial 3 months, is:
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...3. By performing community service for [as little] as six hours per week...

also there's this:
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Broad exceptions to the work requirement have been built into federal law. Under the 1996 welfare reform act, a state can request a waiver from the ABAWD work requirement for the entire state or parts of the state if the state or area has “a recent 12 month average unemployment rate over 10 percent; a recent three month average unemployment rate over 10 percent; or an historical seasonal unemployment rate over 10 percent.”[22]


Yeah. The State can go County-by-County if they want. I read an article that said Ohio requested waivers for 12 Counties one year, and then 14 the next, but of those first 12, one wasn't getting a waiver, so 3 "new" Counties were getting them. I don't remember the years the article was talking about though. Kasich was accused of racism because the 12 Counties chosen had like 96% white population. All the Counties were in SE Ohio, Appalachia area.

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this is a neat stat:
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A Rasmussen poll taken on July 18, 2012, found that “83% of American Adults favor a work requirement as a condition for receiving welfare assistance.

almost every place ive ever lived/worked has a soup kitchen and a multiplicity of food pantries.
my suspicion would be, the people who stopped getting government assistance by virtue of not participating in the program, are probably doing okay, or have enough money to do okay if they make wiser choices.


I think it's a great idea to have them work in exchange for funds (no ironic pun intended). I'd even support a County initiative that provided daycare services to parents of pre-school children while the parent is working or going to job training. I know having kids can be a huge roadblock to being available to get a job, especially for a single parent and/or low-skill workers. It's expensive, and it's tough to get a job that pays enough to cover it and still have any left over.


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RE: Maine required people to do community service - 2/11/2016 3:19:25 AM   
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I suppose that's predictable about Kasich being accused of racism. though ironically I suspect at least some parts of Appalachia have it over inner cities when it comes to tough living conditions.

I was surprised in the heritage article where it said 90% of food stamp support comes from the federal government. yeah, makes total sense from a big government wastes and inefficiency perspective that money should flow from the people to the federal government somehow, only to flow back to the states and then to the people. I wonder how well it would work if it were all handled at the municipal level, or at least no farther away than the county level.


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RE: Maine required people to do community service - 2/11/2016 4:42:00 AM   
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speaking of the maine governor:

"Maine Governor Refuses to Call Them Democrats, Calls Them Socialists"

"Maine's generous welfare policies have led the state to be swamped by hordes of Somalis and other welfare-seekers who have brought crime, drugs and gang warfare to the formerly safe state. And they have overloaded the state budget."

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"For the last year, socialist politicians in Augusta have been dragging my Administration's employees before a kangaroo court and plotting meaningless impeachment proceedings. While your colleagues were engaged in these silly public relations stunts, Mainers were literally dying on the streets...”

"That's why I'm holding town hall meetings around the state until Election Day in November. The Maine people need to know that for five years we've been trying to convince the Legislature to move our state from poverty to prosperity..."

"First, it was liberal ideology. Now it's socialism. The steadfast adherence to ideology above all else, including prosperity for the Maine people, has prevented opportunities for our state to succeed and grow..."

"The current ideology is far out of the mainstream and has failed miserably in countries around the world. The efforts by Maine socialists to turn our state into Greece, Cuba, Venezuela or the former Soviet Union are moving us backwards at a rapid pace. Socialism is blockading our path to prosperity. It's time to put it aside and work toward prosperity for all Mainers."...

We have been working on common-sense welfare reform for five years, but liberal — and now socialist — politicians still refuse to finish the job. Despite their opposition, we have reigned in the state's formerly out-of-control Medicaid spending. No longer is there a budget-wrecking crisis every year because of runaway Medicaid spending. The Legislature and the media have purposely ignored just how significant this achievement has been to the state's budget.

We now adhere to federal law when providing TANF and SNAP benefits. No longer can you spend alifetime on TANF, and no longer can you get food stamps without working, volunteering or going to school. However, we need to either pay the federal government $29 million in fines or change our laws to comply with federal statutes. The days of ignoring federal law are over. Even President Obama has lost patience with the Maine socialists.

We put photos on EBT cards and cracked down on where you can use them. They no longer show up at drug busts. We now drug test welfare recipients who are suspected of or who have admitted to prior drug use. You use, you lose. If you need help, we will be there to assist you. But if you want to keep using, taxpayers are not going to pay for your out-of-control habit.

In 2015, the welfare fraud unit at DHHS sent 105 cases to the Attorney General's Office for prosecution, totaling $1.2 million in theft of welfare benefits. The Maine people know welfare fraud is not anecdotal. It is real, and it is costing hard-working Mainers millions of their tax dollars.

However, the Attorney General only prosecuted 36 cases. She is ignoring the desire of the Maine people to eliminate welfare fraud. Instead, she tries to run the state through legal machinations from her partisan position.

However, the Legislature has been resistant to enacting meaningful welfare reform. So we will continue to push to completely reform Maine's welfare system once and for all. We will not provide welfare benefits that go over and above those allowed by federal law.

The Maine people demand it. These common-sense reforms are:

Able-bodied adults must seek work before qualifying for welfare benefits.

No TANF spending on tobacco, liquor, gambling, lotteries, tattoos, bail, travel services or sending money to foreign nations using services like Western Union.

Alternative aid limited to 60 months, like TANF is.

No use of EBT cards at smoke shops.

No General Assistance, TANF, SNAP and 881 for non-citizens.

No broad exemptions for federal work requirements in TANF. (The domestic violence exemption will remain.)

A waiver to eliminate junk food from SNAP.

No TANF and SNAP for felons convicted of drug-trafficking.

Drug testing for all welfare recipients, not just those suspected of or who admitted to prior drug use.

These reforms will free up resources for Maine to create a safety net for our most vulnerable: the mentally and physically disabled and, most importantly, our elderly who have worked so hard their whole lives and now need our help to live out their final years in safety and comfort. The current waitlist must be eliminated.


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RE: Maine required people to do community service - 2/11/2016 5:08:03 AM   
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Ahhhhh yes, that compassion and caring about lives outside the womb disapears........now they can suffer even more.
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RE: Maine required people to do community service - 2/11/2016 5:48:15 AM   
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/maine-welfare-drug-testing_us_55ccd23fe4b0898c4886c97f

Only One Person Flunked Maine's Welfare Drug Test
The program has cost $624 so far and is being paid for through a federal block grant, a DHHS spokesman said.
08/13/2015 01:26 pm ET
Associated Press Alanna Durkin
AUGUSTA, Maine (AP) — Gov. Paul LePage hailed drug screenings for certain welfare recipients as a way to protect taxpayer dollars. But since the program was launched a few months ago, only a handful of recipients have been ordered to take tests and most people who have lost their assistance have done so because they failed to show up, the administration said.

The state in April began administering drug-screening assessments to recipients in the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program who have been convicted of drug felony crimes, arguing that welfare dollars shouldn't be enabling drug abuse. People who fail the screenings are then required to submit to a urinalysis.

However, just 15 recipients were scheduled for screenings through June, the latest month for which data was available, according to figures provided to The Associated Press in response to a Freedom of Access Act request.
Of those, 13 were barred from receiving benefits because they didn't show up to take either the screening assessment or the subsequent urinalysis, the Maine Department of Health and Human Services said.

Only one person tested positive for drugs and was stripped of benefits, the department said.

DHHS says the program is just getting started. Bethany Hamm, director of the department's Office for Family Independence, estimates that about 100 recipients, among roughly 5,700 TANF cases, have prior drug felony convictions and will eventually be screened.

"We are moving through methodically so that we don't inadvertently test somebody that we shouldn't be testing," Hamm said.

LePage pushed during the last legislative session to expand drug screening to all TANF recipients and eliminate benefits for those with drug felonies, but his measure was rejected by lawmakers, who question whether the testsare worth the time and money.

Nationwide, the effectiveness of such programs remains to be seen. Some states have been unable to show that money was saved. But Utah officials reported in 2013 that requiring drug screening for welfare applicants saved more than $350,000 in its first year.

Federal law bars people with prior drug felonies from receiving welfare benefits, but states can opt to do so anyway. Maine is one of at least five states that allow those with felony drug convictions to receive benefits if they receive adrug test, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

Advocates for the poor and civil liberties defenders in Maine say the fact that people are being kicked off the assistance program for simply not showing up is alarming.

"The purpose of laws like this is to help people into treatment or to identify people who are using drugs. What we are seeing, which is what we suspected, is that people are being denied benefits for other reasons," said Oamshri Amarasingham, public policy counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union of Maine, which fiercely opposed LePage's effort.

Recipients may not be able to find child care or they may refuse because they believe it violates their right to privacy, Amarasingham said.

"It's not clear at all that people are skipping drug tests because they are drug users," she said.

Hamm said recipients choose the day and time for the test, which can be taken at 50 laboratory sites across the state. The state will pay for their travel costs and will reschedule the test, if necessary, she said.

She said she believes it's likely that many people are not showing up because they know they will fail.

The program has cost $624 so far and is being paid for through a federal block grant, a DHHS spokesman said.

Hamm said she's confident that the effort is worth the time and money because it is helping people into substance abuse treatment who need it. People who test positive for drugs can enter a substance abuse program to maintain their benefits.

"It is important for us to make sure that we are doing all we can to help these families and get them back into a place where they can achieve self-sufficiency and get out of poverty," Hamm said.

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DId you forget the Defect reduction act in 2006?
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RE: Maine required people to do community service - 2/11/2016 5:58:39 AM   
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http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/01/the-plot-against-paul-lepage/424014/


Faux tough guys Scott Walker and Rick Scott bluster with bravado about being tough on crime and on drugs. Who benefits from drug testing, besides them and their cronies? Walker, who can’t decide his position on evolution, comes down strongly against the science on the issue of drug testing, having just proposed it as a condition for receiving public benefits, such as food stamps, and even unemployment benefits.

Walker, and Rick Scott before him, have been vociferous in their claims that such testing will save the country vast sums, as well as make us all safer. They are, after all, tough on crime.

Scott, for example, claimed that drug abuse was “much higher”⁠ in welfare recipients. In fact, the rate was 2%, compared to 9.4% in the general population.

In a story about this, 02/02/12, The Daily Show’s Aasif Mandvi challenged Fl. Rep. Scott Plakin, who insisted citizens should “be happy” for the opportunity to be tested, to undergo drug testing himself, since his salary is entirely at the expense of taxpayers. Mandvi then does the same to Gov. Scott. Shockingly, both declined. The priceless video is here.

Mitt Romney, too, has come out for mandatory testing⁠: “Well my own view is, it’s a great idea. People who are receiving welfare benefits, government benefits, we should make sure they’re not using those benefits to pay for drugs. I think it’s an excellent idea.

Getting the 2014 New Year off to a good start, the Federal District court for Florida has forbidden suspicionless drug testing⁠ for applicants for Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), as being an unconstitutional violation of the protection against unreasonable government searches.

Low rates of drug use have been shown in multiple states besides Florida, including only 1/800⁠ welfare recipients in Tennessee, vs. 8% in the general population. Similarly, Utah⁠ found 0.2 percent of the total welfare recipient population positive, vs. 6% of the population who admitted to using drugs. These 12 cases cost the state $30,000.


Despite the evidence of low drug use in welfare recipients and that costs of administering such tests greatly exceed any benefits savings, Republican states continue to propose such laws…even though they have previously been struck down as unconstitutional.

Drug testing increasingly is becoming part of our surveillance society, spuriously sold to the public as making us safer. Where’s the data?

The rate of drug use in the US among full-time workers averaged 9.5%, according to the government’s Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration⁠ (SAMHSA).⁠ Screening is commonly done as part of pre-employment—42.9% of full-time workers, or more than 47 million adults, reported being subjected to this humiliating process as a condition of getting a job. (2004) Further, 32 million reported ongoing random drug testing at work.⁠ A 2010 study reported about 130 million drug screens⁠. Who profits from this?

As I explained in 2013, “Estimates of accuracy of the drug tests are < 1% for false positive confirmatory tests, and perhaps 5% false negatives, due to where the thresholds are commonly set. Using this as an example, and an 8% drug usage rate, we would get, in a 1000 tested workers:

Drug present Drug absent total
Test pos 76 9 85
Test neg 4 911 915
total 80 920 1000
4 people will be reported “clean,” a false negative, though they use drugs.

Of 920 who did not use drugs, 1%, or ~9 people will show up as positive.

Of 85 people who test positive, 9/85, or 10.6% will erroneously be identified as drug users. So while 1% error rate (false positive) sounds good, 10% of the positives will be false.”

Many drugs can cause false positive results⁠, including ibuprofen (Advil, Motrin), cold or hay fever remedies, or quinolone antibiotics, for example.

Who benefits from drug testing?

Being tough on crime and “deadbeats” is an easy road to popularity and makes nice sound bites, though we’ve seen the data isn’t there to support the testing either on rates of abuse or cost savings.

There is a huge industry now surrounding drug testing. Hoffmann-La Roche was an early leader, beginning with a lucrative Pentagon contract to test returning Vietnam War veterans⁠. The company, maker of Valium, then went on to initiate a major PR and lobbying campaign to “mobilize corporate America to confront the illicit drug problem in their workplaces,” calling it “Corporate Initiatives for a Drug-Free Workplace.”

The Drug & Alcohol Testing Industry Association (DATIA) employs lobbyists to try to prevent decriminalization of marijuana and to expand workplace drug testing—again, something that is opposed by many physicians and researchers.

For example, Dr. George Lundberg, former editor of the Journal of the American Medical Association and of Medscape, has decried the cost of such testing, given the absence of evidence to support it. At a cost of ~$45 per drug screen, it would cost ~$5,431,995,000 to screen all 120,711,000⁠ full-time employees. As Dr. Lundberg stated, “This is terrific for the laboratory industry and all the attorneys who will argue these cases . . . but should we spend that kind of money?’ He wrote. ‘In fact, we have not found one proper cost-benefit analysis of this process’ in the medical literature.” Dr. Lundberg, among others, has expressed outrage at “chemical McCarthyism.⁠”

Conveniently, Rick Scott pushed mandatory drug testing—provided, in part, by his wife’s company, Solantic⁠. Scott transferred his $62 million stake⁠ in the company to his wife only a few months before mandating drug testing for state employees and welfare recipients. Many companies provide drug testing⁠, including Quest, LabCorps, Roche, and Mobile Diagnostic Testing. There are programs by DATIA and others on how to start your own testing business or become a contractor⁠.

Another major criticism of pre-employment or random drug tests is that the focus is misplaced—what is critical to know is whether someone is impaired at work. As Northwestern University researchers Drs. Levine and Rennie have observed, “Drug testing is arguably less important than addressing the performance impact of overnight work, circadian rhythm disruption, and overwork.”⁠

Further, drug testing is more likely to detect marijuana than cocaine, and entirely misses alcohol, more commonly implicated in workplace accidents. Performance based testing would be far more rational and effective.

It is easier—and more profitable—to focus on testing for drugs taken without a prescription. If you have a script for a sedative or something to reduce anxiety, then pharmaceutical companies profit even more.

DATIA also is expanding their market. Elaine Taule, founder of NMS Management Systems, gave tips on marketing, saying that while they had focused on workplace testing “you can envision school testing as the next frontier.⁠”

Drug testing appears to be a lucrative industry, like the TSA, sold to the public by lobbyists and politicians assuring us that it will somehow make us safer, without solid evidence to back up this claim.

Testing is inaccurate, expensive, and furthers an unhealthy climate of mistrust in the workplace. In hospitals, for example, there is widespread drug testing, GPS tracking systems that monitor employees constantly, systems that track response times to call lights, fingerprint scans to clock in and out, and keyed badges that track your movements. This is not conducive to a healthy, happy, or productive work environment.

Who benefits? Only the monitoring industries. Aren’t there better uses of our energies and taxpayer monies? How about food security, education, and repairing our crumbling bridges, to start?

Until then, I like Catherine Rampell’s suggestion—⁠following the Willie Sutton principle, go where the money is. Rampell suggests that if we’re serious about saving money by penalizing users of illegal drugs, that we drug test the wealthy, who burden all of us with their $1.4 trillion in tax breaks. She goes on to ask, “But as long as they’re clean, they should have nothing to hide. Right?”

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RE: Maine required people to do community service - 2/11/2016 6:07:00 AM   
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http://www.wmtw.com/news/lepage-welfare-changes-fail-to-pass-state-house-of-representatives/33740660

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RE: Maine required people to do community service - 2/11/2016 7:31:52 AM   
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Easy way to solve the poor's problems; particularly those on welfare: Raise the Federal Minimum Wage to $15/hour. Would allow the majority of people with children to be just above the federal poverty level, while giving an increase to consumption for everyone else. All that buying power would create many more low tier jobs (which it sounds, Maine, has a huge lack of), which would increase middle class jobs within three months.

The governor being a Republican should help explain to most people why things are out of whack with reality. This one decided to enact problems to 'solve' an existing problem. Except, he nor his staff checked if those on welfare could handle the new situation if it became reality. Or maybe that, he and his staff didn't care. In other words, he wanted less people on welfare. Believing (foolishly) those people would seek out work to survive the cold Maine winters. This is a recurring problem with conservatives: those on welfare might be there for specific reasons that one can not label as easily. Unique situations bring about unique problems that take equally unique solutions. Or were we seriously expecting Republicans to have a clue about how to run government?

So now there are 9,000+ off of welfare and without any source of income. What are they to do? Some will move else where. Some will move in with families, creating a tighter strain on the bread winners. Some will resort to crime. That's why people in Maine have gun, rights? To kill someone trying to steal their TV to pay for food because the state the gun owner pays taxes to, is to stingy to help the problem. This sort of 'reasoning' does not help....ANYONE....out in the long run. It's self-destruction. Causes more harm in the short and long terms then it helps by a factor of four.

So yes, raise the minimum wage to $15/hour. That will drastically help the poor out more than anything else right now. Anyone in the state and federal government that is not willing to do this; doesn't need to have a public job come next year! Try living on $15,000/year in Maine.....

....it sucks.

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RE: Maine required people to do community service - 2/11/2016 11:46:06 AM   
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Here's a crazy idea, how about paying people to do this work rather than forcing them to do it just for food.

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RE: Maine required people to do community service - 2/11/2016 12:33:27 PM   
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they would have to pay minimum wage?

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RE: Maine required people to do community service - 2/11/2016 12:43:28 PM   
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they would have to pay minimum wage?

And the people would likely still qualify for aid.

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