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crumpets -> Gloria Steinem literally said Millenial Women support Bernie over Hilliary to "meet boys". (2/11/2016 12:59:57 PM)
Gloria Steinem literally said Millenial Women support Bernie over Hilliary to "meet boys". She was arguing why the younger women went for Bernie over Hilliary, so, even though she said it jokingly, she clearly meant it in support of her argument. I watched the Bill Maher video, and read the news, and, well, it's just one of those things that you'd never think "she'd" say. She also said: Men gain power as they age ... while ... Women lose power as they age. Although she didn't explain her thought process on that one. REFERENCES: Gloria Steinem: Young women back Sanders so they can meet 'boys' Gloria Steinem on Millennial women and Bernie Sanders: That's where the boys are Gloria Steinem says young women support Bernie Sanders because 'that's where the boys are' (and many more). Watch the video clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gr1qLVSOe7c

mnottertail -> RE: Gloria Steinem literally said Millenial Women support Bernie over Hilliary to "meet boys". (2/11/2016 1:01:59 PM)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDcvmrHV9Jc

Lucylastic -> RE: Gloria Steinem literally said Millenial Women support Bernie over Hilliary to "meet boys". (2/11/2016 1:33:36 PM)
yeah she also apologised for it immediately after she said it, and after the show. LOok up bill maher ....the clip is out there, the WHOLE clip.... What she actually said about women losing power with age was..... quote: Women get more radical as we get older, because we experience ... not to over-generalize, but ... men tend to get more conservative because they gain power as they age, women get more radical because they lose power as they age.

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Gloria Steinem literally said Millenial Women support Bernie over Hilliary to "meet boys". (2/11/2016 1:37:06 PM)
quote: it's just one of those things that you'd never think "she'd" say. Why? She's said her share of dumb shit over the years.

Lucylastic -> RE: Gloria Steinem literally said Millenial Women support Bernie over Hilliary to "meet boys". (2/11/2016 1:48:53 PM)
Yes, she has written Plenty of bullshit. Ive rarely agreed with most of the ...more radical side. but getting older....as it happens, I have gotton more belligerent about the state of "equality" more noticeably in ageism:) It amuses me that Ive been an activist every step of the way since I was 14, but i realise how more radical I should have been.. with the advance of technology...oh boy...

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Gloria Steinem literally said Millenial Women support Bernie over Hilliary to "meet boys". (2/11/2016 1:54:20 PM)
It is not all that uncommon sort of belittling sentiment among Clintonites. They are at a loss to explain why they aren't swamping Sanders. They seem incapable of just accepting the fact that he is saying the shit people want to hear, that he appeals to the younger voters for the simple reason that they agree more with him. Yeah he comes across as a angry old man, but the millennials are angry as well.

Lucylastic -> RE: Gloria Steinem literally said Millenial Women support Bernie over Hilliary to "meet boys". (2/11/2016 2:02:30 PM)
Having lived in Thatchers Britain and the short lived reign of Kim Campbell in Canada, and that im to the left of Bernie, is why I dont think Hills is anything special. Mind you I dislike all politicians as a base mantra. Hes an angry old man...but I can see why.

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Gloria Steinem literally said Millenial Women support Bernie over Hilliary to "meet boys". (2/11/2016 2:04:15 PM)
Yeah, there's plenty for him to be angry about. And as for being to the left of Bernie, well that's not hard to do, except in the US.

Lucylastic -> RE: Gloria Steinem literally said Millenial Women support Bernie over Hilliary to "meet boys". (2/11/2016 2:36:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick Yeah, there's plenty for him to be angry about. And as for being to the left of Bernie, well that's not hard to do, except in the US. Dont try to convince them of that :)[sm=halloweensmiley_41.gif]

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Gloria Steinem literally said Millenial Women support Bernie over Hilliary to "meet boys". (2/11/2016 2:41:14 PM)
Yeah, they do have their own peculiar point of reference. I like to call it "ignorance".

crumpets -> RE: Gloria Steinem literally said Millenial Women support Bernie over Hilliary to "meet boys". (2/11/2016 3:15:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDcvmrHV9Jc [image]https://i.imgur.com/oectz5U.jpg[/image] quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic yeah she also apologised for it immediately after she said it, and after the show. Steinem apologizes for implying women back Sanders to meet men Yesterday, I watched EVERYTHING I could find about that statement, including the entire clip and another Bill Maher roundtable with comedic personalities, which included Gloria Steinem (wearing the same clothes, it appears, so maybe that was a separate part of the same discussion). It seemed like she was trying to tell jokes, and faring badly at it (lots of nervous giggles). She's not a comedian, after all (and I'd probably be the same out there, without experience as a comedian). quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic LOok up bill maher ....the clip is out there, the WHOLE clip.... What she actually said about women losing power with age was..... I watched it and many others. She was clearly using it to back up her point that women at that age care more about "boys" than politics. There's no doubt. Yes, she was joking. But also yes, she was THINKING that too. Which is, after all, crazy, for a feminist to even think, let alone say, unless she felt it was actually true. (In which case, it's just sad.) quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: Women get more radical as we get older, because we experience ... not to over-generalize, but ... men tend to get more conservative because they gain power as they age, women get more radical because they lose power as they age. Why? I've had PLENTY of female bosses. Why would THEY get less power as they age than men do? Person for person, female versus male political power has nothing, per se, to do with their age It has to do with other things, but their age isn't one of them (with respect to women and men being any different as we age). While the two concepts (may or may not) be true (how would "I" know), both are pretty strange to be coming out of the mouth of an avowed ardent feminist: Young women back political candidates to be where the boys are, and, Women lose power as they age while men gain power as they age. [image]http://www.msnbc.com/sites/msnbc/files/styles/ratio--3-2--512x342/public/articles/rtr2br7e.jpg[/image]

crumpets -> RE: Gloria Steinem literally said Millenial Women support Bernie over Hilliary to "meet boys". (2/11/2016 3:22:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick quote: it's just one of those things that you'd never think "she'd" say. Why? She's said her share of dumb shit over the years. I listened to Madeline Albright explain why Hilliary didn't get the young-women vote, and it sure sounded an awful lot like she was damning them to eternal Hell! Basically, if a woman doesn't vote for another woman, then she is damned to hell! Madeleine Albright: 'Special Place in Hell' For Women Who Don't Vote For Hillary Albright: 'special place in hell' for women who don't support Clinton Hillary Clinton Defends Madeleine Albright After Her 'Special Place in Hell' Remarks I think it was meant to be funny, but it's just sad more so than funny, to me anyway, that she seems to think women should just vote for any woman just because they're women. That shows more what she thinks of the voters, and far more so than anything about their politics. Hey ... vote for me... I'm female!!!!! [image]http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--nk6Px4KO--/kdzzwea7ezcrk9yhbfzl.jpg[/image]

crumpets -> RE: Gloria Steinem literally said Millenial Women support Bernie over Hilliary to "meet boys". (2/11/2016 3:24:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Dont try to convince them of that : You don't live in California! The wacky state.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Gloria Steinem literally said Millenial Women support Bernie over Hilliary to "meet boys". (2/12/2016 12:22:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crumpets Gloria Steinem literally said Millenial Women support Bernie over Hilliary to "meet boys". She was arguing why the younger women went for Bernie over Hilliary, so, even though she said it jokingly, she clearly meant it in support of her argument. I watched the Bill Maher video, and read the news, and, well, it's just one of those things that you'd never think "she'd" say. She also said: Men gain power as they age ... while ... Women lose power as they age. Although she didn't explain her thought process on that one. REFERENCES: Gloria Steinem: Young women back Sanders so they can meet 'boys' Gloria Steinem on Millennial women and Bernie Sanders: That's where the boys are Gloria Steinem says young women support Bernie Sanders because 'that's where the boys are' (and many more). Watch the video clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gr1qLVSOe7c That younger women aren't voting for Hillary simply along gender lines is rubbing them the wrong way. IMO, voting for Clinton because she's a woman is just as bad as voting against her because she's a woman. Is there a vast belief that a woman (in general) isn't qualified to be President because of gender? If there was, I could see a point in voting for Clinton because she's female (she is, technically, as qualified as Sanders to be President); proves that a female is fit to be President. If women aren't voting for Hillary, could it be that she's unpopular among women? Could it be that her politics, and/or her "body of work" are unpopular? Could it be that she's seen as less trustworthy as Sanders? In America, we need to get to that point where skin color, gender anatomy, gender identity, and all the other inconsequential categorical data isn't used for or against a person.

crumpets -> RE: Gloria Steinem literally said Millenial Women support Bernie over Hilliary to "meet boys". (2/12/2016 12:36:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri That younger women aren't voting for Hillary simply along gender lines is rubbing them the wrong way. IMO, voting for Clinton because she's a woman is just as bad as voting against her because she's a woman. Exactly! Both Madeline Albright and Gloria Steinem are shallow human beings if (and this is the big "if"), if they truly believe what they said. Neither one of them was an accident. I watched both. Madeline's was long prepared while Gloria's was off the cuff (however, it was entirely in keeping with the other things she said). Sure, Hilliary tried to "explain" Madeline days later, as did Gloria try to explain her words - but the truth came out. They think women are shallow. quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Is there a vast belief that a woman (in general) isn't qualified to be President because of gender? If there was, I could see a point in voting for Clinton because she's female (she is, technically, as qualified as Sanders to be President); proves that a female is fit to be President. Whether Hilliary is competent is a DIFFERENT issue than what Gloria and Madeline portrayed. Neither said "Vote for Hilliary because she's competent"; both said, in effect, "Vote for Hilliary because she has a cunt instead of a cock!" quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri If women aren't voting for Hillary, could it be that she's unpopular among women? Could it be that her politics, and/or her "body of work" are unpopular? Could it be that she's seen as less trustworthy as Sanders? I don't think it's "women" who aren't voting for Hilliary so much as the so-called Millennials. The younger women. At least that's what I gathered from listening to Gloria's interview and her extremely carefully crafted apology. quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri In America, we need to get to that point where skin color, gender anatomy, gender identity, and all the other inconsequential categorical data isn't used for or against a person. We're already there, for the most part.

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Gloria Steinem literally said Millenial Women support Bernie over Hilliary to "meet boys". (2/12/2016 12:36:48 AM)
quote: If women aren't voting for Hillary, could it be that she's unpopular among women? Could it be that her politics, and/or her "body of work" are unpopular? Could it be that she's seen as less trustworthy as Sanders? +10 quote: In America, we need to get to that point where skin color, gender anatomy, gender identity, and all the other inconsequential categorical data isn't used for or against a person. +100. Not only in America.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Gloria Steinem literally said Millenial Women support Bernie over Hilliary to "meet boys". (2/12/2016 1:01:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crumpets quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Is there a vast belief that a woman (in general) isn't qualified to be President because of gender? If there was, I could see a point in voting for Clinton because she's female (she is, technically, as qualified as Sanders to be President); proves that a female is fit to be President. Whether Hilliary is competent is a DIFFERENT issue than what Gloria and Madeline portrayed. Neither said "Vote for Hilliary because she's competent"; both said, in effect, "Vote for Hilliary because she has a cunt instead of a cock!" I understand what they said, and I disagree with Clinton being female as the reason to vote for her. quote: quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri If women aren't voting for Hillary, could it be that she's unpopular among women? Could it be that her politics, and/or her "body of work" are unpopular? Could it be that she's seen as less trustworthy as Sanders? I don't think it's "women" who aren't voting for Hilliary so much as the so-called Millennials. The younger women. At least that's what I gathered from listening to Gloria's interview and her extremely carefully crafted apology. Yes, I know it's, generally, millennial women that are being complained about. They are still "women," though. quote: quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri In America, we need to get to that point where skin color, gender anatomy, gender identity, and all the other inconsequential categorical data isn't used for or against a person. We're already there, for the most part. No we aren't. There is still too much racism (even "reverse racism" is racism). I suspect there is still too much sexism. There is too much discrimination against GLBT's. There isn't enough of MLK's "content of their character" being the most important factor.

Lucylastic -> RE: Gloria Steinem literally said Millenial Women support Bernie over Hilliary to "meet boys". (2/12/2016 1:30:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crumpets quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri In America, we need to get to that point where skin color, gender anatomy, gender identity, and all the other inconsequential categorical data isn't used for or against a person. We're already there, for the most part. Already there???....sweet gawd...no...no we really arent...not anywhere near there. Not anywhere close. And some people want to take things even further back.... Wow thats so incredibly, wow yes, im stumped for words. gobsmacked. I need to lie down. [sm=jaw.gif]

crumpets -> RE: Gloria Steinem literally said Millenial Women support Bernie over Hilliary to "meet boys". (2/12/2016 10:45:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic I need to lie down. I live in California. I live in the Silicon Valley. I've worked for women all my life. They made far more than I did. They had far more power than I did. I didn't begrudge them that one bit. Women today in the USA vastly outnumber men graduating college and higher schools. Here, education and intelligence is power. Since education is basically free, the only limiting factor is inteligence. So, if any one woman make less than any one man, it's for OTHER reasons than someone is stepping on them. (It's the same for any one man - there is absolutely no difference.) There is ONE big difference though ... and that has to do with BIOLOGY - and how BIOLOGY shapes the mind. For example, I know someone here who is currently tiling her bathroom, but most women would let the men do it. So, who learns the skill? The one doing it. But other than self-imposed biological constraints, there is absolutely NOTHING preventing either an intelligent man or an intelligent woman from gaining the education and experience they need to get almost any job in Silicon Valley. You can't tell me I don't know Silicon Valley. I may not know how it works where YOU live - but I know the Silicon Valley like I know the back of my hand! INTELLIGENCE & EDUCATION is all that matters ... and that's open to everyone (especially in California!).

crumpets -> RE: Gloria Steinem literally said Millenial Women support Bernie over Hilliary to "meet boys". (2/12/2016 11:02:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri No we aren't. I have NEVER once seen a case of sexism in my entire career in the Silicon Valley (spanning decades). I'm sure they exist - but it's not the rule out here. Out here, INTELLIGENCE & EDUCATION matter. Plus, there is this biological thing, which I'm sure I'll get in trouble just stating a simple example of... If a woman's car breaks down, what does she do (in general)? If a man's car breaks down, what does he do (in general)? I know. I know. You'll give me anecdotes galore where the woman grabs a popsicle stick and a roll of duct tape and with a discarded frozen OJ container, fixes the blown heater hose; and, you'll show me anecdotal evidence where some men in white pants and white shoes call the tow truck; but, in general, men handle this situation differently than do women. I'll give you another example, one which I have seen so many times that it shocks me that people say to a teen girl "oh you're so cute" whereas they (for the most part) they tell a teen boy "so, are you the quarterback?). These SAME people decry that "girls" don't go into "math and science". (Idiots all.) So, while in PERSONAL life I've seen (mostly mothers) fawn over the "pretty" girls as if that mattered, the fathers say "a bit of blood never hurt him" when biological EXPECTATIONS rule. quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri There is still too much racism (even "reverse racism" is racism). Heh heh... I admit, where I live, if a black person, for example, were to be seen within a few miles, the police would be called; but that's more a function of standing out than anything else. quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri suspect there is still too much sexism. I haven't see that here, other than the innate sexism that the mothers and women fawn over the young girls and tell them oh so very sickening ... "oh, your're so pretty!". The fathers, for the most part, expect the boys to be bloodied and to look disheveled and to have holes in their knees of their jeans and to fall off the rope bridge into the raging waters below every once in a while to see if they can survive. I'll tell you that I run a LOT of hikes in these mountains, and on "my" hikes, the girls have to harness themselves just as much as the boys (based solely on age & strength, of course) when climbing down or up the cliffs. quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri There is too much discrimination against GLBT's. I have a thread on this somewhere, but the GLBT's are, IMHO, some of the MOST RACIST bastards on this planet. They don't care one bit about EQUALITY. They're all, to a man or woman, absolutely and utterly incorrigibly selfish bastards. (proof on file). For them, it's all racist selfish laws that PROTECT them (but do NOTHING whatsoever for EQUALITY). But, that's the topic of a different thread. quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri There isn't enough of MLK's "content of their character" being the most important factor. MLK was despicable. No better than Jessie Jackson's criminal son. But that's a topic for another story and another thread... (PS: Kennedy was despicable too. All men in power become despicable. Don't even get me started on how power corrupts absolutely...)

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