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War - 2/11/2016 4:02:24 PM

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Interesting article saying that due to our supine democrat leadership - war is coming between Turkey and Russia.
http://observer.com/2016/02/mounting-evidence-putin-will-ignite-wwiii/

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RE: War - 2/11/2016 4:03:51 PM

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War...War Never Changes!

Glorious battles will be fought, mothers will cry, heroes will be remembered, myths will be created.

And people will once again say, never more.

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RE: War - 2/11/2016 4:12:03 PM

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I'd like to know what they think the "supine democratic leadership" could do.
I also seriously doubt that Putin will attack Turkey. He is not stupid.

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RE: War - 2/11/2016 7:39:11 PM

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I'd like to know what they think the "supine democratic leadership" could do.
I also seriously doubt that Putin will attack Turkey. He is not stupid.

You have it back asswards.

Turkey has been arming the turkmen militias, as well as covertly supporting ISIS. Turkey's redline is the kurds extending their controlled areas into a contiguous state (they have said). The kurds just did that, with the assistance of russia.

For dozens of years, turkey has supressed a kurd minority, and has intervened militarily (often) to reverse kurdish gains. The kurds last week said it is time to seek statehood.

Saudi arabia - courtesy of obama's idiocy feels justifiably threatened by Iran, and has already made the decision to go to war in syria. I don't necessarily believe that decision - but thats the published news stories. Turkey is seeing the ruin of its ambitions on the ground.

So the question is - what will turkey do. Is it mad enough to get in a hot war with Russia? I actually think the chance is around 25%. Russia actually cannot sustain ground operations against the Turkish army.

Personally, I think turkey and saudi arabia just suck it up.. but thats no means certain.

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RE: War - 2/11/2016 9:22:16 PM

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I have it back asswards? Really? So you think Putin will attack Turkey?

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RE: War - 2/11/2016 11:45:38 PM

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Putin is not going to attack anyone. He has it made, he is loyal to hgis country and is a very intelligent statesman who knows that war is always bad. He worked for one of the most evil regimes in the world, challenging the Nazis in magnitude, and learned very well from them. Very well enough to make himself rich enough to be totally untouchable. he is also not sexual pervert, closet serial murderer or any of that shit, they just can't fucking touch him. and he has done wonders for Russia, despite the US depressed oil prices. because they build their industry they are not so dependent upon imports. Like when they said they were not importing certain foods anymore form certain countries, people said they were shooting off their foot to spite their head n shit, but I looked at the numbers and those banned imports amounted to about one percent of what they import in the way of food. And all they get from us is wheat, there are way better sources for the rest of the food. If you want beef, call Argentina, they got kickass beef. In fact almost every immigrant I ever met has said that the food here sucks.

Yeah, we export alot of food, but that is mostly in the form of wheat. Used to be some corn but now the US companies like Monsanto have decided to grow it offshore as well. In places like Ukraine which has a newly installed US friendly government, FOR NOW. The people will not put up with that forever, just like the Iranians eventually got rid of the Shah, despite his support from the recipient Carter regime. TAKE THAT IN MIND HOUSE OF SAUD ! Nobody is invincible. In fact it may come time for the Likud to take note of that as well, but there is time before they have to face that. Their propaganda machine is working well.

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RE: War - 2/11/2016 11:54:44 PM

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Putin challenged the Nazis ? How old is he ? He is not a sexual pervert ? And you know this, how ? If they are so self sufficient, why do they want the Ukraine back in the fold ? I am not being snarky but these questions and maybe the answers interest me.

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RE: War - 2/12/2016 12:15:16 AM

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he is also not sexual pervert

Fuck that, throw the vanilla bum out.

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RE: War - 2/12/2016 12:18:18 AM

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"Putin challenged the Nazis ?"

Not what I said. He WORKED FOR A REGIME THAT CHALLENGED THE NAZIS. In brutality and all that.

"He is not a sexual pervert ?"

In light of all I have seen, he is not. that he supports the Russian values which frown even on homosexuality, I would say that likely he is not. Now odn't get me wrong here, I have no problem with sexual perverts, but it does give one's enemies ammunition. With Putin, they have none as far as I can tell and I have been into this longer than most.

"If they are so self sufficient, why do they want the Ukraine back in the fold ?"

The Ukraine owes them billions for gas they stole from the pipeline running therethrough. There is a case in international court and the only dispute is how much. What's more, there were no problems there, as the Russians let the Ukrainians have credit for a while. the US, though a proxy agency CAUSED all the trouble up there, just like they did in Syria, and lied and lied about all this people dead not admitting that they killed half of them and all that. that Ukraine's gold is no longer in the Ukraine, that Assad did not use the gas according to Porton Down, the expert on such things because the gas used in Syria was not of the type THEY SOLD HIM.

This all what is called the pipeline wars. Europe needs a hell of alot of natural gas for heat in those cold winters. Russia and a few other countries have it. All this is over who gets the royalties for letting the pipeline go over their country. And have the chance to steal gas, like Ukraine did. Like Kuwait did by crossdrilling. Like the US did by pumping oil out of Iraqi wells with no meters on it. It is all over natural resources. Wrap your mind around this fact - IT IS ALL MONEY AND NOTHING ELSE. It will help you to understand what is really going on.

Anyway, Russia nad Ukraine were getting along fine until the axis powers (US, UK and Israel) decided they want their rentes out of that European natural gas market. they fucked up the whole situation and now they are doind a pipeline through another route, Hungary I believe.

Didn't Hungary just throw some of their banksters in prison not long ago ? Yeah, they were caught on tape bragging how they fucked the gov by using bailout funds to buy their own stock or to just deposit and make them look better to fuck investors out of more.

Now get this, quantitative easing by the US is EXACTLY THE SAME THING, but it is perfectly legal.

The US has to attack other countries to make money. you and I never see any of it but they do and they need it because they have stole so much. Next, you will see them go into Mali. there will be some human rights story about some kid or some shit and they'll bring out bad things that happened up to 100 years ago and justify the attack against the "regime", which has been just fine all this time. But now we need the gold. They cannot use the WND story there, but they can whoop up support, what was that guy's name ? The one who got 10 year old kids to fight wars ? Kobe or some shit ? They'll just say he is running the place, how the fuck would you know different ?

The nutshell.

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RE: War - 2/12/2016 12:38:08 AM

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I have it back asswards? Really? So you think Putin will attack Turkey?

It's not a question of whether Putin will attack Turkey, but if Turkey will attack Russia.

Turkey drew a line in the sand. Russia helped get that line crossed. Russia isn't going attack Turkey because they helped get that red line crossed.

Do you think Putin will attack Turkey, if Turkey attacks Russia?

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RE: War - 2/12/2016 12:39:15 AM

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The regime that spawned the Nazis is now a good, solid western country with values to match and surpass any in the world I believe. There were people from many countries who supported the nazis, including America, Britain, Australia (oh yes AND Russia) and many others. Things have changed in the last 70 years and the regime that was in Russia then has no bearing on today or todays politicians. Putin wasn't even born when the war ended, so he knows little or nothing about war except what he has read or been told. Like you and I.
Many of the judges, politicians, priesthood and lawmakers in MANY countries pass laws against what they say is perversion but every week there are articles in papers of every colour about another one (or more) of them being investigated, arrested or jailed for some form of perversion that they were railing against the week before.
The soviet empire fell apart because they were broke, skint, boracic, almost bankrupt and that's when Ukraine and many other satellites became independent and their government denies that they owe Russia anything. Anything they owed was to the USSR which doesn't exist any more. The Russians refuse to pay soviet debts; how can they expect to collect soviet era debits ?
Russia has used the old hitlerian excuse about mistreatment of it's native people in the Ukraine, to invade a sovereign country. Putin at least learned that from WW2.
I have seen plenty of what the U.S. does in invading other countries but does that make it right for Russia to do the same ? And then maybe point the finger and say "Please Miss, he did it first"?
I was a socialist for most of my life. Having travelled the world many times I am now a DILLIGAF because when you look closely you find that most, if not all of the politicians just want to get their snouts in the trough and they are all up to their necks in shit of their own making. They will go to hell in their own way and the only sad thing is that they will drag fools like us along with them.

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RE: War - 2/12/2016 12:43:24 AM

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It's not a question of whether Putin will attack Turkey, but if Turkey will attack Russia.

So it is the author of the article who has it ass backwards. If anything, my statements support your point of view more than the article's. But to answer your implied question, no Turkey will not attack Russia either.

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RE: War - 2/12/2016 12:54:54 AM

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It's not a question of whether Putin will attack Turkey, but if Turkey will attack Russia.

So it is the author of the article who has it ass backwards. If anything, my statements support your point of view more than the article's. But to answer your implied question, no Turkey will not attack Russia either.

"Igniting" war doesn't have to be done by actually attacking first. The "snap" military exercises near Turkey's border can be seen as threatening, which could ignite war, even if Putin doesn't actually give the order to attack.

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RE: War - 2/12/2016 1:05:33 AM

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Putin is not going to attack anyone. He has it made, he is loyal to hgis country and is a very intelligent statesman who knows that war is always bad. He worked for one of the most evil regimes in the world, challenging the Nazis in magnitude, and learned very well from them. Very well enough to make himself rich enough to be totally untouchable. he is also not sexual pervert, closet serial murderer or any of that shit, they just can't fucking touch him. and he has done wonders for Russia, despite the US depressed oil prices. because they build their industry they are not so dependent upon imports. Like when they said they were not importing certain foods anymore form certain countries, people said they were shooting off their foot to spite their head n shit, but I looked at the numbers and those banned imports amounted to about one percent of what they import in the way of food. And all they get from us is wheat, there are way better sources for the rest of the food. If you want beef, call Argentina, they got kickass beef. In fact almost every immigrant I ever met has said that the food here sucks.

Yeah, we export alot of food, but that is mostly in the form of wheat. Used to be some corn but now the US companies like Monsanto have decided to grow it offshore as well. In places like Ukraine which has a newly installed US friendly government, FOR NOW. The people will not put up with that forever, just like the Iranians eventually got rid of the Shah, despite his support from the recipient Carter regime. TAKE THAT IN MIND HOUSE OF SAUD ! Nobody is invincible. In fact it may come time for the Likud to take note of that as well, but there is time before they have to face that. Their propaganda machine is working well.

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He's rich because he stole from his own govt. which took over contracting and it all started with Yeltsin. He saw how Yeltsin did it and then he did it and defrauded the Russian govt. out of billions including money to build himself a huge palace.

If elected, Trump will probably ask him for a loan to do a hotel casino in Moscow and do it through the Kremlin to skim even more.

HERE

and HERE

Oh and I am sure the arm-chair generals here will be emailing a number if suggestions to Obama, maybe even including boots-on-the-ground. Those are cool to watch on CNN because those boots are always on...somebody else's feet.

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RE: War - 2/12/2016 8:08:49 AM

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Is this why he is such an interesting slobberer, OP? He has his nutsucker credentials out for you to see?

http://blackbag.gawker.com/the-crazy-emails-that-took-down-nsa-spook-john-schindle-1610203101

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RE: War - 2/12/2016 9:05:34 AM

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The "snap" military exercises near Turkey's border can be seen as threatening, which could ignite war, even if Putin doesn't actually give the order to attack.

Well somebody has to attack, so which is it, Russia or Turkey?

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RE: War - 2/12/2016 9:47:38 AM

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Interesting article saying that due to our supine democrat leadership - war is coming between Turkey and Russia.
http://observer.com/2016/02/mounting-evidence-putin-will-ignite-wwiii/

In November, there was the murder of the two parachuting Russian pilots. As far as I know, Russia has not partaken of a reprisal. Perhaps Russia has chosen now to do so.

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RE: War - 2/12/2016 10:17:26 AM

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I am thinking not, and there is no perhaps.

If Russia attacks Turkey, they attack the US, NATO and all that rot.

I don't think any of us are up for a REAL go at it.

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RE: War - 2/12/2016 10:20:51 AM

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Back asswards.

The question is not whether putin will attack turkey. But rather will turkey put troops on the ground in syria, leading to huge escalation when russia fires on them.

Russia is looking for a chance to obliterate turkey that will not risk anato escalation. Turkey intervening in syria would allow nato to weasel out of article 5 defense.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-pm-warns-foreign-offensive-syria-could-spark-182731598.html

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RE: War - 2/12/2016 10:27:00 AM

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No, it wouldn't. Not everybody is that fucking stupid. If..............and that is huge, If.........Turkey came into Syria, we would attach advisors to them immediately. You don't want to be Russia killing American troops.

But I doubt they have the money to do a small war, so it is likely sabre-rattling, they are having their own issues pissing us off with the Kurds.

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