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WilliamWizer -> RE: Slave rights? (3/12/2016 7:51:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SuaveGentleman What does the community feel about consensual BDSM slave rights? I have heard some people claiming once a slave agrees to be a slave, its nada. I dont really agree with this opinion. For all its worth, both the master and the slave has the right to walk away when they feel so - you cannot detain them by any measure of the law. My personal view is that slaves are granted 3 rights: 1. Right to choose her / his owner. It is illegal and wrong for a master to pass off a slave to another master without the slave's consent. 2. Right to specify limits. Just because you tag yourself a slave does not and should not mean you have no limits. What does that term mean anyway, in the broadest sense? Apologies for the gory example, but if a slave is whipped to bleeding / death or trafficked, is it justifiable because (s)he said "no limits"? [Sidenote: I dont think any human being, especially anyone in the BDSM community, would ever do that to anyone. Just an example to make my point ] 3. Right to end the relationship. Yes, if a slave feels (s)he is deeply unhappy with the current arrangement, (s)he has the right to pack her bags (if she has one) and leave. In the event the slave is truly possession-less it should morally be the Master's responsibility to ensure she can sustain herself until she is self-sufficient / re-owned. What do you all feel about this? Side question - is there any BDSM contract that is actually legally valid (I think no)? answering the side question first. technically no but it may be possible for some BDSM activities to find legal loopholes. even so... there's no point on it as the lifestyle is based on trust and consent. if you need to go to court to legally enforce the "contract" then either there's no consent or no trust. since those two conditions are the base of a BDSM "contract" lack of one would be a breach of contract making it invalid. now to the main topic. slave rights from a BDSM community perspective. given that there must be consent said rights depend on what hard limits the sub sets. you could see it in this way: the sub relinquishes any rights other than revoking consent or changing her hard limit except those limits that depend on any set hard limit. changing the hard limits list can cause the Dom to end the "contract" if he disagrees with said changes.

seekingOwnertoo -> RE: Slave rights? (3/16/2016 6:37:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact Law succeeds BDSM in dang near everything. Marry the slave? Go ahead and tell the judge she owns nothing when you got to divorce court. No matter what cute, little rules you have in fantasy land... Yeah, they don't apply so much. If a person lives in the US, allow me to state emphatically, I do not care if you are D or s. You have the RIGHT to leave. You have basic, human rights that NOBODY can take away from you. Say it with me... Law is bigger than BDSM. Indeed .. this is correct. That said, one day, a Lady threw at me, the ideas of Ingrid Bellemare. For those of you who are unaware of Ingrid Bellemare ( I was too, at the time She was brought up to me) It is basically that a Lady cannot own a slave, unless it is a non-consentual relationship. Her Idea (Admittedly before today's Internet capabilities and sites) was to: film an aspiring male slave on his knee's confessing to being homo-sexual and aspiring to homosexual acts; then making him perform some homo-sexual appearing act on film. Of course the whole film was directed by the Lady, off camera .. but the final result was impossible to prove the Lady was orchestrating the entire scenario. Once this Lady had it all on tape ... the man had to be Her non-consensual slave. If he did not stick to being Her non-consensual slave with obedience and devotion; the threat is the film will be released to the general public, and he will be ruined. Obviously this is a highly intelligent form of blackmail, that Ingrid Bellemare claimed could never be proved against the Domme blackmailer. Since she published a book; and information dissemination has changed, I am not so sure. But, if such a thing happened, and got exposed, how could one sue a Corpse?

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