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RE: reasons for being religious or atheist - 3/22/2016 11:34:32 AM   
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I really can't even imagine not believing in something greater.

As thompson said, shallow minds tend to be like that. We call them sheeple.

What's greater than your own sense of self worth, self existence, self will, self purpose?
Do you not have any of that??

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It gives purpose to life, and guidance for me ( especially in dark times)

What's wrong with having your own purpose?
What's wrong with creating your own goals and guidance to reach them?
Do you have no ambition in life?

The greatest strength is belief in one's own self.
Your goals should be to better yourself, your family and friends, and the world in general.

Do you have no purpose in life other than to just exist and strive to reach something that has never been proven to exist??
That's blind faith and the thing that sheeple tend to follow without question.

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I like knowing there is a greater beyond.

I don't believe there is a greater beyond - hence I have my own goals and paths to get there.

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I love knowing their is an inspiration instructional book that helps me everyday .

And that would be what???
A book of lies and interpretations of other men??

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And have the knowledge every time I slack, the results are obvious.

And you don't need a book to know that.


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RE: reasons for being religious or atheist - 3/22/2016 11:39:56 AM   
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I really can't even imagine not believing in something greater.
It gives purpose to life, and guidance for me ( especially in dark times)
I like knowing there is a greater beyond. I love knowing their is an inspiration instructional book that helps me everyday . And have the knowledge every time I slack, the results are obvious.




maybe it is a matter of insufficient imagination

just claiming "I know" is hardly proof


Prove to me the sun will come up tomorrow? Can You prove it? Just because it has everyday since your memory doesn't give proof it will tomorrow. anyway it's what I know. I don't need to prove anything to you nor am trying. Because it you don't know or believe in what I do, there will no proof to be explained for you. Believe is required.
I'm making a statement babe, it didn't require an argument.

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RE: reasons for being religious or atheist - 3/22/2016 11:46:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Cinnamongirl67
I really can't even imagine not believing in something greater.

As thompson said, shallow minds tend to be like that. We call them sheeple.

What's greater than your own sense of self worth, self existence, self will, self purpose?
Do you not have any of that??

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ORIGINAL: Cinnamongirl67
It gives purpose to life, and guidance for me ( especially in dark times)

What's wrong with having your own purpose?
What's wrong with creating your own goals and guidance to reach them?
Do you have no ambition in life?

The greatest strength is belief in one's own self.
Your goals should be to better yourself, your family and friends, and the world in general.

Do you have no purpose in life other than to just exist and strive to reach something that has never been proven to exist??
That's blind faith and the thing that sheeple tend to follow without question.

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ORIGINAL: Cinnamongirl67
I like knowing there is a greater beyond.

I don't believe there is a greater beyond - hence I have my own goals and paths to get there.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Cinnamongirl67
I love knowing their is an inspiration instructional book that helps me everyday .

And that would be what???
A book of lies and interpretations of other men??

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ORIGINAL: Cinnamongirl67
And have the knowledge every time I slack, the results are obvious.

And you don't need a book to know that.



You all wonder why people go crazy and insult many of you people? Because 8 out of 10 posts made to others have some insult either blantNtly or veiled in it.
Dont tell me what I need, and you absolutely have zero idea what you are talking about... I have a family with a bonus knowing and believe system. It's that and more.
You have zero understanding that's okay.

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RE: reasons for being religious or atheist - 3/22/2016 11:46:19 AM   
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RE: reasons for being religious or atheist - 3/22/2016 11:57:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Cinnamongirl67


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ORIGINAL: blnymph


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ORIGINAL: Cinnamongirl67

I really can't even imagine not believing in something greater.
It gives purpose to life, and guidance for me ( especially in dark times)
I like knowing there is a greater beyond. I love knowing their is an inspiration instructional book that helps me everyday . And have the knowledge every time I slack, the results are obvious.




maybe it is a matter of insufficient imagination

just claiming "I know" is hardly proof


Prove to me the sun will come up tomorrow? Can You prove it? Just because it has everyday since your memory doesn't give proof it will tomorrow. anyway it's what I know. I don't need to prove anything to you nor am trying. Because it you don't know or believe in what I do, there will no proof to be explained for you. Believe is required.
I'm making a statement babe, it didn't require an argument.


ok - back to Copernicus and Galilei:

It is not "the sun coming up tomorrow" - it is the earth rotating (once in 24 hours) and moving around the sun (once a year) - and there is proof galore of these facts. Maybe you can't imagine being in constant move even when sitting still, but it is fact nonetheless

You are talking about (your) belief yourself and this the only statement you can give. But pardon me I feel no need for your belief, so you can keep it, like any other thing best kept in private (to yourself, babe).

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RE: reasons for being religious or atheist - 3/22/2016 11:58:06 AM   
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You all wonder why people go crazy and insult many of you people? Because 8 out of 10 posts made to others have some insult either blantNtly or veiled in it.
Dont tell me what I need, and you absolutely have zero idea what you are talking about... I have a family with a bonus knowing and believe system. It's that and more.
You have zero understanding that's okay.

I have plenty of understanding.
I know plenty of what I am talking about too.
I also have a family.
I also know what it's like to lose a baby at just 3 days old.
I just don't need a book written by others, or a belief system, to bolster it.

I have belief in myself. That's worth more than anything in the world.


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RE: reasons for being religious or atheist - 3/22/2016 12:02:13 PM   
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Prove to me the sun will come up tomorrow? Can You prove it?

Yep.
Someone else halfway round the world tells me they see the sun rise.
I can pretty much fucking guarantee that some 11-12 hours later when my part of the world gets that far round the rotation, the sun will come up.
And yeah, I'll bet my life on it.


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RE: reasons for being religious or atheist - 3/22/2016 12:02:46 PM   
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I can take a pretty goddamn good guess that it will appear to come up, but then someone has actually seen it that we all know.


Let me ask you a question man of 10,000 nut suckers, I mean sackers, do you believe there are people in the world who are highly gifted in ways beyond your comprehension, you may have even passed unknowingly in the world?
Do you believe that? The mind is like a universe of its one, still quite a mystery.
I was just curious how anyone felt about it? Do you think it's possible that there are people who have access to 90% of their brain compared to average folk who are capable of roughly 1/9 of that result.
And no I'm not talking about me, but I am curious. Do you think their are people who go undetected who might have a much higher understanding?
If so, do you think they would expose themselves to non believers, or the lower totem poll of negativity?
It's a fun question. Enjoy.

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RE: reasons for being religious or atheist - 3/22/2016 12:16:55 PM   
Cinnamongirl67


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ORIGINAL: blnymph


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ORIGINAL: Cinnamongirl67

I really can't even imagine not believing in something greater.
It gives purpose to life, and guidance for me ( especially in dark times)
I like knowing there is a greater beyond. I love knowing their is an inspiration instructional book that helps me everyday . And have the knowledge every time I slack, the results are obvious.




maybe it is a matter of insufficient imagination

just claiming "I know" is hardly proof


Prove to me the sun will come up tomorrow? Can You prove it? Just because it has everyday since your memory doesn't give proof it will tomorrow. anyway it's what I know. I don't need to prove anything to you nor am trying. Because it you don't know or believe in what I do, there will no proof to be explained for you. Believe is required.
I'm making a statement babe, it didn't require an argument.


ok - back to Copernicus and Galilei:

It is not "the sun coming up tomorrow" - it is the earth rotating (once in 24 hours) and moving around the sun (once a year) - and there is proof galore of these facts. Maybe you can't imagine being in constant move even when sitting still, but it is fact nonetheless

You are talking about (your) belief yourself and this the only statement you can give. But pardon me I feel no need for your belief, so you can keep it, like any other thing best kept in private (to yourself, babe).



Listen precious, I'm responding to the thread, the question asked, in case the silicone worked its way into your brain, and you forgot. Was that rude? Oh me oh my.
Did I ask you to believe Child?
i will state any opinion I see fit. Especially when directly to the precise question asked.

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RE: reasons for being religious or atheist - 3/22/2016 12:25:02 PM   
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Listen precious, I'm responding to the thread, the question asked, in case the silicone worked its way into your brain, and you forgot. Was that rude? Oh me oh my.
Did I ask you to believe Child?
i will state any opinion I see fit. Especially when directly to the precise question asked.


directly and precisely: obviously you believe there is no connection at all of "reasons" and "reason," babe.


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RE: reasons for being religious or atheist - 3/22/2016 12:42:23 PM   
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Let me ask you a question man of 10,000 nut suckers, I mean sackers,

Don't you think that's a bit rude??
I mean, it might well be true - but it's still rude.

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do you believe there are people in the world who are highly gifted in ways beyond your comprehension, you may have even passed unknowingly in the world?

Highly gifted, in ways that I am not, yes. But not beyond my comprehension, no.

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Do you believe that? The mind is like a universe of its one, still quite a mystery.

Until we get the technology, the mind will be a mystery for quite some time yet.

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ORIGINAL: Cinnamongirl67
I was just curious how anyone felt about it? Do you think it's possible that there are people who have access to 90% of their brain compared to average folk who are capable of roughly 1/9 of that result.

It's been proven that most people use less than 10% of their brain capacity.
I'm not aware of anyone who has shown that they use more than 30% of their brain.
If there were such a person, they haven't been found or exposed as existing.

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And no I'm not talking about me, but I am curious. Do you think their are people who go undetected who might have a much higher understanding?

That would depend on your interpretation of 'higher understanding'.

If you are talking about believers in a higher plane of existence (or gods), then no, I don't think they actually have a higher understanding at all.
A stronger sense of belief in something that I don't, yes, but I don't call that a 'higher understanding'.
Those that tend to discover a higher understanding of self realise the futility of those of strong belief systems.
But those with strong beliefs cannot see this axiom.

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If so, do you think they would expose themselves to non believers, or the lower totem poll of negativity?
It's a fun question. Enjoy.

By making this type of question, phrased like that, is insulting everyone who is not a believer of a faith system.
Being a non-believer does not put you in the lower portion of the totem pole.

I would argue that is actually ass-about-face because those who do not believe have more sense of self-reliance, self worth and strength of self governance/guidance so do not need to rely on a book written by others to achieve their self-set goals or find contentment.
To me, not needing a crutch makes a better person than those that rely on one to have a sense of life or goals.


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RE: reasons for being religious or atheist - 3/22/2016 1:00:53 PM   
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It's been proven that most people use less than 10% of their brain capacity.

The popularly and widely spread belief that we only use or have access to 10 percent of our brain's power is often used to speculate about the extent of human abilities if only we could utilize our brain's full capacity. In reality, the 10 percent claim is 100 percent myth. You use all of your brain. The only instances where there are unused regions of the brain are those in which brain damage or disease has destroyed certain regions. ~Source

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RE: reasons for being religious or atheist - 3/22/2016 1:53:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Only uses 1% of his brain and I round up

10% brain thingy urban legend perhaps used to justify our current savagery and dismantling of mother earth etc, as we are a deluded race that aspires to be better than we actually are at this moment in time :( and will deal head on with that (or something to coin a trump phrase) via medium of our best apathy

Most people are born into their religion. A village idiot would know that - asks himself - concurs.
Although I am led to believe all your politicians talk for God, yet somehow escape the jacket with many buckles.

Incidentally blnymph ] and there is plenty of proof regarding the following there are never 24 hours in any day, or 365 days in any year.

Cinnamongirl67The sun neither rises or sets in the conventional sense that you mean...But I suppose I refer to them as sunset and sunrise too. It travels east to west from my wretched hovel, or if you prefer, the earth rotates, on its own inclined - axial tilt, anti clockwise on its axis...whilst travelling through space, around the sun (orbit) clockwise..

I thought Copernicus ah his book he said print after me death - book was later banned by the catholic malarkey because..erm dunno that one..well i do who cares.
Galileo...was declared a witch, I think..or something like that...oh alright house arrest. Amen Indeed.


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RE: reasons for being religious or atheist - 3/22/2016 2:21:58 PM   
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It's been proven that most people use less than 10% of their brain capacity.

The popularly and widely spread belief that we only use or have access to 10 percent of our brain's power is often used to speculate about the extent of human abilities if only we could utilize our brain's full capacity. In reality, the 10 percent claim is 100 percent myth. You use all of your brain. The only instances where there are unused regions of the brain are those in which brain damage or disease has destroyed certain regions. ~Source

K.






So the 10% is a myth. That figures.
But I phrased my answer in response to the question which posited that "Do you think it's possible that there are people who have access to 90% of their brain compared to average folk who are capable of roughly 1/9 of that result".
1/9 of 90% is a 10% measurement.

If you are going to shoot me down for the myth, then the question posed is also based on said myth.
Yet you don't pull CG up for using it in her question??

Other than that, my response remains the same; ie, that I do not hold that some 'believers' have a 'higher understanding' because they belong to a group of 'believers' and that non-believers are lower on the totem pole.
In fact, I believe in the contrary position.



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RE: reasons for being religious or atheist - 3/22/2016 2:50:02 PM   
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Incidentally blnymph ] and there is plenty of proof regarding the following there are never 24 hours in any day, or 365 days in any year.


Guilty for taking the liberty to use those rounded figures most might be familiar with in order not to derail the thread and getting the argument too complicated to follow for whom it might too difficult to imagine.

With Copernicus and Galilei you might have missed the important point mattering in that context: the sun being the centre of the solarsystem, and planetary motion (edit: no you did not miss - my mistake)

Not every life achievement should be remembered, judged, or measured by what some church officials may be, or might have been, thinking about it.

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RE: reasons for being religious or atheist - 3/22/2016 2:54:50 PM   
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If you are going to shoot me down for the myth, then the question posed is also based on said myth.
Yet you don't pull CG up for using it in her question??



Yeah, cry me a river...

CG:
I was just curious how anyone felt about it? Do you think it's possible...?

You:
It's been proven that most people use less than 10% of their brain capacity.

See if you can figure out the difference.

Take your time, it's a tough one.

K.



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RE: reasons for being religious or atheist - 3/22/2016 3:00:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		And?? I used the wrong word. Or actually I missed the "presumed". Big deal.
Try using the bit I quoted of her question in post#94.
That was using the 10% as if it were fact.
There was no ambiguity in her question.

I'll let you work that out.
Try and answer the essence of the question instead of nit-picking on words.


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RE: reasons for being religious or atheist - 3/22/2016 3:22:43 PM   
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The sun being the centre of the solar system, incorrect a bit like your claim to being a women


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RE: reasons for being religious or atheist - 3/22/2016 3:39:00 PM   
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Try and answer the essence of the question instead of nit-picking on words.

Yeah, that must be the problem. Nit-picking on words.

Why don't you just stop posting idiotic claims?

K.


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