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Are findoms beggars?


Yes, they are Beggars
  20% (8)
No, they are hardworking people
  38% (15)
Scrubs
  5% (2)
Scammers
  35% (14)


Total Votes : 39
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Are findoms beggars? - 2/28/2016 2:16:22 AM   
Subukteacher


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Status: offline 		So, this findom craze which is what most of this site is about, is it begging are findoms scrubs? Are they preying on the desperate and the mentally ill?
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RE: Are findoms beggars? - 2/28/2016 2:31:54 AM   
betataster


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Beggars can work pretty hard at begging.

Is it a scam if someone says I'll sell you this can of air for $100 and you buy it? And then they hand you said can of air, exactly as represented.

Personally, yes, I see them as preying on the desperate but I didn't really see that as one of your poll options.

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RE: Are findoms beggars? - 2/28/2016 2:49:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		If you see fin domme customers as desparate and mentally ill. Does that include any man who has ever used a phone sex operator, a cam site? or a prodomme, or an escort or just women who take money instead of sex?
You've got a lot of problems. And more than the findommes and their "clients"
Apart from calling them scrubbers...LOL you are showing your misogyny far too soon to be taken seriously again.
If you dont want a findomme, Dont have one.
its simple.



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RE: Are findoms beggars? - 2/28/2016 3:19:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		I didn't vote in the poll. I assume by finDommes, he means those ladies that post a sexy picture and look for pay pigs to give them money for absolutely nothing in exchange other than satisfying their desire to feel subservient to and abused by a woman. They are not providing more than a passive service, in a sense, whereas a phone sex operator or cam person is providing an actual service. This is, indeed, similar to a beggar, where a service they provide for your money is your sense of satisfaction that you have done the right thing or been good to your fellow man or something along those lines. Don't know that if that was what he was thinking but that's an interesting thought.

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RE: Are findoms beggars? - 2/28/2016 3:30:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		I did vote in the poll. I'm one of the no votes.

If you don't like fin kink, it's really simple. Don't engage in it. Just like any other kink that you don't want to participate in. While I don't engage in fin kink, I have plenty of kinks that some other people don't want to do. They make their choices. I make my choices. Everybody's happy.


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RE: Are findoms beggars? - 2/28/2016 3:35:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		And after reading the Urban Dictionary definition of scrubber, that's the last thing I would call a finDomme if I wanted to call one an insulting name. I very much doubt that any of them are going around in public in unattractive tracksuits and screwing anything that moves.

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RE: Are findoms beggars? - 2/28/2016 3:43:04 AM   
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I did vote in the poll. I'm one of the no votes.

If you don't like fin kink, it's really simple. Don't engage in it. Just like any other kink that you don't want to participate in. While I don't engage in fin kink, I have plenty of kinks that some other people don't want to do. They make their choices. I make my choices. Everybody's happy.



I agree with you. I'm new to the scene and had quite a low opinion, upon encountering them, of those that take money and provide little in exchange beyond insults. But I had a long back and forth email exchange with a very charming and intelligent young kinkster who softened my viewpoint on it in one of her journal entries. Or, like the Bible says, be tolerant of the fetishes of others that they may be tolerant of yours.

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RE: Are findoms beggars? - 2/28/2016 3:44:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: betataster

I didn't vote in the poll. I assume by finDommes, he means those ladies that post a sexy picture and look for pay pigs to give them money for absolutely nothing in exchange other than satisfying their desire to feel subservient to and abused by a woman. They are not providing more than a passive service, in a sense, whereas a phone sex operator or cam person is providing an actual service. This is, indeed, similar to a beggar, where a service they provide for your money is your sense of satisfaction that you have done the right thing or been good to your fellow man or something along those lines. Don't know that if that was what he was thinking but that's an interesting thought.

my apologies, its still early here, I meant the response to be for the OP, not to you, I apologise.


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RE: Are findoms beggars? - 2/28/2016 3:46:26 AM   
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And after reading the Urban Dictionary definition of scrubber, that's the last thing I would call a finDomme if I wanted to call one an insulting name. I very much doubt that any of them are going around in public in unattractive tracksuits and screwing anything that moves.

Scrubber has been around a long time before the urban dictionary.
It IS an english derogatory term. And has been around longer than track suits:)

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RE: Are findoms beggars? - 2/28/2016 3:47:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

my apologies, its still early here, I meant the response to be for the OP, not to you, I apologise.



No worries, I took it the way you intended. Its somewhat early here too, and I'm probably going to make my coffee now.


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RE: Are findoms beggars? - 2/28/2016 4:03:55 AM   
betataster


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Scrubber has been around a long time before the urban dictionary.
It IS an english derogatory term. And has been around longer than track suits:)


No doubt. While I'm not familiar with the term, I get the feeling that it would not apply to a young lady that has figured out that she can get money to go to the mall and buy herself nice things simply by calling a man names and telling him he has a little dick.

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RE: Are findoms beggars? - 2/28/2016 4:20:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Subukteacher

So, this findom craze which is what most of this site is about, is it begging are findoms scrubs? Are they preying on the desperate and the mentally ill?


Preying on the weak and desperate. And lying cynically about what constitutes "dominance".

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RE: Are findoms beggars? - 2/28/2016 4:56:55 AM   
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Preying on the weak and desperate. And lying cynically about what constitutes "dominance".


These folks are paying to be victimized by women. That is what they want. And perhaps the fact that this woman that they are paying is more user than Domme, makes the victimization all the sweeter.

But when all is said and done, it boils down to money out for jolly in. And if they get their jolly for their money then what business is it of ours?


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RE: Are findoms beggars? - 2/28/2016 5:09:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: betataster
These folks are paying to be victimized by women.
They're paying for sexual gratification which makes them a John and the findomme a whore. There's no dressing that up.


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RE: Are findoms beggars? - 2/28/2016 5:24:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: betataster

These folks are paying to be victimized by women. That is what they want. And perhaps the fact that this woman that they are paying is more user than Domme, makes the victimization all the sweeter.

But when all is said and done, it boils down to money out for jolly in. And if they get their jolly for their money then what business is it of ours?



We have the mentally ill committed when they become a danger to themselves, whether they wish it or not. We strongly encourage, sometimes compel, addicts to get help before blow their lives apart. It seems fair to claim the right, at very least, to pass judgement on the people involved in this case. Not to oblige folks to pretend that ANY way a person gets their jollies is okay, as long as they only hurt themselves.

At very least, it equates cynical predation and victimization with dominance. Not a very good thing for the honest practitioners of BDSM, I think.




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RE: Are findoms beggars? - 2/28/2016 6:44:37 AM   
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We have the mentally ill committed when they become a danger to themselves, whether they wish it or not. We strongly encourage, sometimes compel, addicts to get help before blow their lives apart. It seems fair to claim the right, at very least, to pass judgement on the people involved in this case. Not to oblige folks to pretend that ANY way a person gets their jollies is okay, as long as they only hurt themselves.

At very least, it equates cynical predation and victimization with dominance. Not a very good thing for the honest practitioners of BDSM, I think.

The problem with this is the assumption that those who wish to participate in fin kink *are* mentally ill. Granted, it wouldn't surprise me if there were a fraction of people who want to engage in that particular kink would be, because it's highly unlikely that the number is zero, just as much as it's unlikely that it's 100%. Not any different really than what could be said of any other specific kinks that are involved in BDSM because with so many people doing any one particular thing, it's impossible to say that there's an absolute either way. The same can be said for those participating in alternative lifestyles without the BDSM part. That makes it neither a "none" or "all" answer, so you have to go with "some".

So, are you in favor of people not being able to gamble at casinos because some people having an addiction to gambling? Do we close bars because some people are alcoholics? Maybe we should get rid of porn because some people are sex addicts?

This is a lot different than saying that *ANY* way a person gets their jollies is OK. The day somebody tells me that their "kink" is to drop cement blocks from a roof onto a person's head on the ground below, that's going to be an example where it's an automatic dangerous practice because of the harm involved. Buying somebody a gift off of their wish list or sending them cash in exchange for them paying attention to the other party just doesn't hit the same level.



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RE: Are findoms beggars? - 2/28/2016 6:46:18 AM   
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I, and the voices that inhabit my head, believe only wretched monstrosities call themselves goddess whilst pathetically demanding my cake money - I have been known to show people the birch for less.

Your typical fin dominant comes in a few guises, or as I like to term almost all scrounging bast*rd abominations.

Type 1 I am an acceptable part of the scene and here is me (verified), and this is what I offer. I’d beg to differ they were ever part of the lifestyle but like a good crab infestation their numbers swell. Someone let them in and it was not me. Personally I will never justify their existence.

Type 2 I am a greedy bint and I require cash for nothing at all. How do I get said cash for nothing? Oh I know I will call myself Ravingloongoddess, declare myself a valid part of the lifestyle (verify my cash hunger with this hideous picture – sometimes theirs, other times not. Sometimes none at all like you). Give me your cash.

There are a few other types but I doubt you could afford my time. I accept gold bullion and all things cake.

Last time I did a search of Scotland it returned more fin domes than actual genuine women. And fuk me they were of such abhorrent hideousness they should be registered as a no go zone under the Geneva Convention and Waldorf Salad, they should surely be paying their punters

Scrub scrubber has a few meanings; diseased whore slut loose and so on.

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RE: Are findoms beggars? - 2/28/2016 7:00:20 AM   
betataster


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Status: offline 		Just a really quick off topic here, if you don't mind. Is there some reason that I cannot have a picture as a profile picture or as an avatar? Is it because I don't have enough posts or something? Sorry for the derail. If it's inappropriate to derail in this fashion for a bit let me know and I will delete this post or blank it out. I'm used to a very casual forum environment where thread hijacking is the order of the day.




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RE: Are findoms beggars? - 2/28/2016 7:19:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		On the question at hand, the answer is: "it depends on the circumstances."

Being for sale - which, let's face it, is what many (possibly most) of these "findoms" are - is NOT a dominant trait. As such, this class of "findom" are not even dominant, and are essentially beggars.

However financial domination CAN be properly incorporated into a legitimate BDSM centered relationship. For example, if you have a slave, and they turn over their paycheck to you in exchange for a place on your floor to sleep on and your table scraps (ok... and extreme example, but I'm making a point), that's obviously financial domination with an actual Dominant.

Where's the line that one crosses between the former and the latter that turns one from beggar into actual Dominant? Well, that probably depends on the individual choice - and it's probably also the correct question to be asking. It's also a question I don't have an answer to.

As for the question of whether either of those "preys" on the weak... I find that to be sort of a silly question. Aren't most of the submissives here ultimately here to be preyed upon in some way? Conversely, aren't most of the Dominants here essentially looking for "prey"?

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RE: Are findoms beggars? - 2/28/2016 7:29:19 AM   
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Just a really quick off topic here, if you don't mind. Is there some reason that I cannot have a picture as a profile picture or as an avatar? Is it because I don't have enough posts or something? Sorry for the derail. If it's inappropriate to derail in this fashion for a bit let me know and I will delete this post or blank it out. I'm used to a very casual forum environment where thread hijacking is the order of the day.




you have a pic of a pets up, you will very quickly find people who are into beastiality.
I am not sure but that "could" be the issue.
Having said that...
Its a shot in the dark.
btw, ,cute furbabies:)

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