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RE: I knew it was coming...GOP establish. vs Trump - 3/4/2016 10:16:49 AM   
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RE: I knew it was coming...GOP establish. vs Trump - 3/4/2016 12:05:13 PM   
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I think this is the beginning of the end for the 2 party system. I can see 3 or more in the not to distant future.

And on this day, I finally agreed with Ken on something.

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RE: I knew it was coming...GOP establish. vs Trump - 3/4/2016 12:39:22 PM   
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I asked you " what do you think of my hair do" how about the skirt around my neck! do you think the GOP likes it?
You would be a loud mouth and red faced too if you had to sleep in those curlers.

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RE: I knew it was coming...GOP establish. vs Trump - 3/4/2016 2:32:00 PM   
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I have spoken on this matter often.

There should be one buffoonery thread here or I will be reduced to copy and pasting, let me is i can open my last closed page http://www.collarchat.com/m_4887265/mpage_6/key_/tm.htm#4887977



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RE: I knew it was coming...GOP establish. vs Trump - 3/4/2016 2:53:05 PM   
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He looks more like Lord Voldemort to me.

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RE: I knew it was coming...GOP establish. vs Trump - 3/4/2016 3:14:24 PM   
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Hell he wouldn't be a bad looking guy bald.

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RE: I knew it was coming...GOP establish. vs Trump - 3/4/2016 3:19:17 PM   
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If he fails at his shot for the presidency, maybe he could start his own bikie gang. He certainly has the looks and attitude for it. I hear the Moscow chapter of the hell-angels are in need of somebody with a bit of money to buy them a motorbike that works.

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RE: I knew it was coming...GOP establish. vs Trump - 3/4/2016 3:45:09 PM   
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Hey don't mess with my hair! I'm like Samson if you cut it off I lose power.
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Ya all are nuts!
I'm getting on my hells angel Harley Davidson bike and picking up my buddy Putin.

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RE: I knew it was coming...GOP establish. vs Trump - 3/4/2016 3:59:10 PM   
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Nah..... remember his fingers are short.

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RE: I knew it was coming...GOP establish. vs Trump - 3/4/2016 4:44:06 PM   
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CinnamonGirl..........The hells angels in Moscow actually DID hav one Harley between them but it didn't go, so they used to take it in turns riding it while the rest of the gang pushed. I can't see trump wanting to push at any time and he would refuse to get off the bike once his turn was over..............so beware America if he ever gets into the White House !!!!

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RE: I knew it was coming...GOP establish. vs Trump - 3/4/2016 5:33:03 PM   
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I think this is the beginning of the end for the 2 party system. I can see 3 or more in the not to distant future.

Hardly a bad thing

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RE: I knew it was coming...GOP establish. vs Trump - 3/4/2016 7:04:58 PM   
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WOW, Butch, you made Trump look hot! And I sincerely mean it! His unattractive with his current hair, but this suits him terribly well! His hot!

You probably really gave him a very well rounded bald top though. Not sure if that's his real scalp shape ha! But if it was, he'll look very good. Maybe he should shave that hair of his off for good.


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RE: I knew it was coming...GOP establish. vs Trump - 3/5/2016 9:36:25 AM   
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WOW, Butch, you made Trump look hot! And I sincerely mean it! His unattractive with his current hair, but this suits him terribly well! His hot!

You probably really gave him a very well rounded bald top though. Not sure if that's his real scalp shape ha! But if it was, he'll look very good. Maybe he should shave that hair of his off for good.


You could be right. He might get the skinhead vote too.

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RE: I knew it was coming...GOP establish. vs Trump - 3/5/2016 10:53:12 AM   
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If the republicans fracture - the democrats win. Duh. But polling data this far in advance is ridiculous. EG polls that had clinton up 50 points in iowa.

Just like 2008/2012 the republicans are having a hard time deciding on a candidate. Unlike those times however, the race is down to three and arguably (two) men. Choosing romney left a lot of evangelicals and a fair number of teapartiers to stay home. Will that same thing happen now.. I don't see signs of it yet, and I think the process of gelling on candidate is further along than in 2012, despite the acrimony. Barring strong movement, the rest of the calendar favors trump, rubio, and kasich - which favors trump.

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RE: I knew it was coming...GOP establish. vs Trump - 3/5/2016 5:24:54 PM   
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here is a reality. The fuhrer trump needs 1237 to win in delegates. A real candidate needs about twice that. there is a reason those numbers exist.

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RE: I knew it was coming...GOP establish. vs Trump - 3/5/2016 6:10:23 PM   
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If the republicans fracture - the democrats win. Duh. But polling data this far in advance is ridiculous. EG polls that had clinton up 50 points in iowa.

Just like 2008/2012 the republicans are having a hard time deciding on a candidate. Unlike those times however, the race is down to three and arguably (two) men. Choosing romney left a lot of evangelicals and a fair number of teapartiers to stay home. Will that same thing happen now.. I don't see signs of it yet, and I think the process of gelling on candidate is further along than in 2012, despite the acrimony. Barring strong movement, the rest of the calendar favors trump, rubio, and kasich - which favors trump.


You do have a few good points, although the problem is the independents. Both the dems and repubs have a solid base, but there is a large portion of people who are wiling to swing for either party. Most average people look at trump and they see a short fingered vulgarian and a man who is willing to say anything to win. It's pretty concerning for anyone who isn't a hardliner republican or a racist.

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RE: I knew it was coming...GOP establish. vs Trump - 3/6/2016 6:05:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

I think this is the beginning of the end for the 2 party system. I can see 3 or more in the not to distant future.


I pray you are correct

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RE: I knew it was coming...GOP establish. vs Trump - 3/6/2016 7:13:22 AM   
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A little perspective on my OP, from the GOP going after Trump.

“Trump is a danger to our national security,” John B. Bellinger III, legal adviser to the State Department under President George W. Bush, bluntly warned."

Leading American conservative thinkers on foreign policy issued an open letter a few days ago warning that they could not support Trump. The signatories include Michael Chertoff, the former secretary of homeland security, Robert Zoellick, the former deputy secretary of state, and more than 100 others.

“Mr. Trump’s own statements lead us to conclude that as president, he would use the authority of his office to act in ways that make America less safe,” the letter declared.


As Mitt Romney notes, “This is the very brand of anger that has led other nations into the abyss.” (oh really, and only now ? [sic])

“Yet what Trump promises to do would in some important ways make all of the problems we face dramatically worse,” he told me. (than Obama/Clinton) Peter Feaver, a Duke University political scientist who was a national security official in the Bush White House.

An adaptation:

Don't be conned by the neocons! These are the people who took us into Iraq with lies and torture and by high-level people that we've still not held accountable (thanks to President Obama) and from which we still have not been able to extract ourselves. And do you think an ideologically rigid authoritarian like Ted "carpet bomb" Cruz would be better than Donald Trump ? Please think again.

It is rich that the same 'experts' warn Americans of foreign policy risks from a Trump, who are responsible for the worst foreign policy disaster in decades. (maybe ever) The same experts who led us into Iraq and who are responsible for the that disaster and the subsequent resulting implosion of the entire Middle East, all of which did more to discredit American hard and soft power than anyone else since the Vietnam war, and now they are supposed to be the bright brigade saving us from foreign policy blunders of a Trump ? So help us God.

The best thing Trump can do, is get rid of the messianic neocons and is able to deal with Putin away from the cold war rhetoric, we'll see. The risks of Trump are real, but hardly any bigger than from 'carpet-bomb' Cruz or pretty boy Rubio, who is likely to simply repeat what someone else whispers to him. I'm not a Republican and am not enjoying the collapse of that party into prepubescent macho mudslinging but at this point but if the Donald seems the best of the three remaining candidates, the repubs are in trouble.

At least his Bible is "The Art of the Deal" which means maybe, maybe he's willing to negotiate rather than dictate and pontificate unlike his Republican colleagues in the Senate. Again kinkroids, that singular political establishment of whom I've written in this country, is broken (but still holds the power) and has failed the people. As I've also informed, that is why we have two vigorous populist, anti-establishment candidates in Sanders and Trump. While my fading hopes are with Bernie, I can see many disaffected Democrats turning to The Donald rather than the system that has clearly failed them.

To me and directly as a result of that singular non-partisan 'establishment' there will never be a truly independent 'reformer' allowed to reform anything in reality. One could come to a view that all any president is doing, is rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

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RE: I knew it was coming...GOP establish. vs Trump - 3/6/2016 8:24:24 AM   
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To me, the irony is that the GOP establishment MADE the conditions for Trump to be as successful in this campaign as he has been. 30 years of using fear, anger, intolerance, and pseudo-patriotism to control their base, but never enacting legislation that their base recognized as improving their lives, has led to a rift between their electorate and the corporate oligarchs that control the party! Now the conservatives are turning to Trump because the GOP no longer even attempts to hide it's corporate alliances. In fact, the GOP has gotten so complacent, it now only panders to its base in election years. Trump IS dangerous, but so was Bush! He let the oil companies run amok, even going so far as to send us to war for a bigger slice of the "petroleum pie"! With any luck, Trump vs. The GOP will result in a 3 party system! Either that, or a mass exodus to Canada!

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RE: I knew it was coming...GOP establish. vs Trump - 3/6/2016 10:53:00 AM   
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To me, the irony is that the GOP establishment MADE the conditions for Trump to be as successful in this campaign as he has been. 30 years of using fear, anger, intolerance, and pseudo-patriotism to control their base, but never enacting legislation that their base recognized as improving their lives, has led to a rift between their electorate and the corporate oligarchs that control the party!


Yep. That could work for a long, long time a) because the support-base could always be fed so much BS and b) because there *was* only one right wing grouping capable of getting power. Now, though, there's at least one other 'movement' (should we call it 'Trumpism' - yet, ever?) that seems to offer the 'real deal'. We had a similar sort of scenario here with UKIP. However UKIP, for the time being at least, seems to have been eaten up by the electoral system which produced just one MP for them.

Mind you, we also have the left wing equivalent: a centre-left New Labour party that promised some kind of watered down socialism, delivered less than was expected - hence we now have a Left that seems split down the middle. Times they are a-changing.

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