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Aussies Warning to Americans about gun control!! - 3/14/2016 8:56:01 PM

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Anyone who believes in 'gun control' needs to see this!

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RE: Aussies Warning to Americans about gun control!! - 3/14/2016 9:00:09 PM

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Down Under banned Nerf guns.

Someone thought a Nerf gun was actually an AK-47 and phoned the cops. The guy was arrested because "It is illegal to have an imitation firearm on the street".

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RE: Aussies Warning to Americans about gun control!! - 3/14/2016 9:30:20 PM

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Anyone who believes in 'gun control' needs to see this!

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Dude, it's NRA propaganda. Learn to think for yourself: http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp

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RE: Aussies Warning to Americans about gun control!! - 3/14/2016 9:36:36 PM

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One of the guys on that clip used to be part owner in a gun shop out west of here, so I am wondering if maybe he might have had a vested interest in saying what he did ????
And I am sorry, but I could walk into a dozen stores tomorrow and get a truckload of nerf guns. Somebody is either pulling legs or lying in their teeth. I wonder which it could be ??

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RE: Aussies Warning to Americans about gun control!! - 3/14/2016 10:38:25 PM

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Thanks Awareness. That made interesting and believable reading. Hand guns have always been illegal except under certain circumstances. Machine guns of any type and any calibre were always illegal ( although I found out how to convert the old M.I. into a quick-firer by filing down the sear *smile*). Yes, the guns were bought back, but yes, I agree it was a buy-back with no choice and I would reckon there are probably a couple of million ( at least) weapons hidden around Australia............................an anti-tank rifle was found in the home of some old digger only.last week !!! It was last used against the Japanese in New Guinea in WW2 and needs two men to carry the damn thing................the gods help anybody who gets hit by a round from that !!
Most Aussies that I know now, have accepted the fact they aren't allowed guns and really don't give a rat's ass. Same in England And yes, I lived there too) and the same in quite a number of other countries. You still get the odd paranoid conspiracy theorist but that's just what they are..................odd. VERY odd.

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RE: Aussies Warning to Americans about gun control!! - 3/14/2016 10:47:18 PM

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Thanks Awareness. That made interesting and believable reading. Hand guns have always been illegal except under certain circumstances. Machine guns of any type and any calibre were always illegal ( although I found out how to convert the old M.I. into a quick-firer by filing down the sear *smile*). Yes, the guns were bought back, but yes, I agree it was a buy-back with no choice and I would reckon there are probably a couple of million ( at least) weapons hidden around Australia............................an anti-tank rifle was found in the home of some old digger only.last week !!! It was last used against the Japanese in New Guinea in WW2 and needs two men to carry the damn thing................the gods help anybody who gets hit by a round from that !!
Most Aussies that I know now, have accepted the fact they aren't allowed guns and really don't give a rat's ass. Same in England And yes, I lived there too) and the same in quite a number of other countries. You still get the odd paranoid conspiracy theorist but that's just what they are..................odd. VERY odd.

like the ones that predicted hitler would be germanys destruction?

So did you get to vote for that or is it a bend over pass the lube ordeal?

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RE: Aussies Warning to Americans about gun control!! - 3/14/2016 10:58:17 PM

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I presume RealOne is bagging me again. That poor guy knows shit about me and I think it's driving him crazy. Or should that be craziER ?
I'll give you a little info RO..............I spent a lot of years at sea ( probably wrung more salt water out of my socks than you have even seen) as well as doing five years in a foreign military. I am entitled to three nationalities and have visited more countries than you have had hot dinners......................now, away you go and run around biting at your ass because I have you on hide and you can't insult me.

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RE: Aussies Warning to Americans about gun control!! - 3/14/2016 11:17:56 PM

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quote:

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

Anyone who believes in 'gun control' needs to see this!

gun control

Dude, it's NRA propaganda. Learn to think for yourself: http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp

snopes?

That seems to be a helluva lot of crime considering all the guns were taken away.

At gun point I presume?

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RE: Aussies Warning to Americans about gun control!! - 3/14/2016 11:44:12 PM

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I presume RealOne is bagging me again. That poor guy knows shit about me and I think it's driving him crazy. Or should that be craziER ?
I'll give you a little info RO..............I spent a lot of years at sea ( probably wrung more salt water out of my socks than you have even seen) as well as doing five years in a foreign military. I am entitled to three nationalities and have visited more countries than you have had hot dinners......................now, away you go and run around biting at your ass because I have you on hide and you can't insult me.

I dont know what to tell ya man, your country seems to be starting to inherit and enforce some hitleroid nazi policies man.

In a 2000 article, author and attorney Stephen Halbrook said that he was presenting "the first scholarly analysis of the use of gun control laws and policies to establish the Hitler regime and to render political opponents and especially German Jews defenseless." In the article, he cites an Adolf Hitler quote: "the most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms." In his 2013 book, Halbrook adds that such victims might have successfully resisted Nazi repression if they had been armed — or better armed.

I am curious though, what does it feel like to be completely helpless and your gubmint just bowls right on over everyone, spends 500 million and get literally no results? Maybe its just me but I would think that would be a real sucky feeling knowing your gubmint can do that to you and you cant do anything about it if you wanted to, or did you vote for that?

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RE: Aussies Warning to Americans about gun control!! - 3/15/2016 12:40:06 AM

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Toy guns have been and are now increasingly more regulated in the US.

Here's a very interesting take on guns in Switzerland. HERE

One of the lowest crime rates anywhere.

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RE: Aussies Warning to Americans about gun control!! - 3/15/2016 2:28:19 AM

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like the ones that predicted hitler would be germanys destruction?

The historical record seems to indicate that the soviet union would cause the destruction of germany.

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RE: Aussies Warning to Americans about gun control!! - 3/15/2016 2:34:30 AM

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Thanks Awareness. That made interesting and believable reading. Hand guns have always been illegal except under certain circumstances. Machine guns of any type and any calibre were always illegal ( although I found out how to convert the old M.I. into a quick-firer by filing down the sear *smile*).

There is an issue with that proceedure. It will usually fire 2 sometimes three rounds before experiencing a faillure to feed.

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RE: Aussies Warning to Americans about gun control!! - 3/15/2016 2:40:42 AM

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I dont know what to tell ya man, your country seems to be starting to inherit and enforce some hitleroid nazi policies man.

What makes it difficult for you to tell anyone anything is that you know nothing. There was no legal ownership of firearms in germany before hitler came to power....so no he did not make it illegal to own a gun in germany.

I am curious though, what does it feel like to be completely helpless and your gubmint just bowls right on over everyone, spends 500 million and get literally no results?

Aussie have never had a "right" to own firearms.

Maybe its just me but I would think that would be a real sucky feeling knowing your gubmint can do that to you and you cant do anything about it if you wanted to, or did you vote for that?

What exadtly do you think you can do against your government? Perhaps you might get a grown up to tell you about the civil war.

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RE: Aussies Warning to Americans about gun control!! - 3/15/2016 3:33:18 AM

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Once again the gun lobby in the US spews forth a load of lies about crime and gun laws here in Australia.

If people are genuinely interested in Australian crime stats, they should visit the official website of the Australian Govt/Australian Institute of Criminology at http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/criminaljustice.html . As a large number of fake and fictitious stats, (usually favouring the gun lobby's arguments) circulate I would strongly urge people to visit this site to check the stats and not to trust stats from other sources.

The 1995-6 gun buy back here was implemented following a mass killing of 35 Australians at Port Arthur. Its proponents stated that the purpose of the gun buy back and outlawing of semi- and fully-automatic weapons was to prevent further mass killings in the future, not the effects the gun buy back and outlawing of semi- and fully-automatic weapons might or might not have on the crime rates.

Since the laws were implemented, we haven't experienced any mass killings of the type that seem to occur with sad regularity in the USA. Crime stats overall have dropped (in line with the worldwide drop in crime stats). The gun laws here are not a current 'live' political issue except for a tiny number of gun nuts. At elections these people typically attract about 1% of the vote. It seems indisputable that the overwhelming majority of Australians have no dissatisfaction with the current laws. One may also note that, to date, the laws have achieved the goals their designers and proponents set out when the current laws were originally passed into law by our Parliament.

I hope that this clarifies things for non-Aussies. I should also add that almost all the fiction I have encountered circulating about Australian gun laws and crime levels seems to come from the NRA, which has a vested interest in painting as bleak a picture as it can about our gun laws here. It's regrettable, and speaks volumes about the NRA's integrity, that the NRA is prepared to substitute lies for truth in its quest to oppose any tightening of US gun laws. If the NRA's position is as honest and correct as the NRA would have us believe, why does the NRA believe that the truth insufficient to justify its position?

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RE: Aussies Warning to Americans about gun control!! - 3/15/2016 5:30:49 AM

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Urgh not another guns are magnificent thread and the right to bear arms those poor, poor armless bears, and tommy guns poor, poor gunless Thomas, and Uzi, bazookas, and Sherman tanks, and a battle ship, for bath times, with a free bar of soap, and a free doomsday device with every bar of wank soap.

Totally harmless. Well, bar the utter carnage, random mayhem and death, pistol whippings aside.

I am actually pleasantly surprised that there are some of you Americans left to shoot each other – give it a little more time.

I suppose I better add something factual other than naff you tube clips (realone isnt stupid nor would he ever really hinge his argument on that malarkey), and weirdo fuking graphs: with squiggly lines meaning nothing in particular when taken against the whole.

List of countries by firearm-related death rate

Fek, remind me never to go to Honduras,.

So I posted a wiki link - how complete it is is difficult to determine and how it translates into extinguished souls but as a rough guide

Gun totting USA 10 deaths per 100 000 or 330 million(ish)/100 000 x 10 = 32,000. the figure is probably higher and that is deaths by gun, not injuries

How does it compare with the UK where our gun laws are very strict and after rigorous checks we only license the mentally deranged and those ready to snap and embark on trail of wanton carnage - well some of the time we do- and in haggis land its just over 20 years since Dunblane School massacre . USA is higher by a factor of 40x last time I could be bothered to work it out. I was going to work out Honduras but my abacus exploded.

Oh all right for the UK its erm 60million/100 000 x0.3 = 180 extinguished souls
versus oh lets call it 40 000 Americans ramble ramble population 5.2 times the UK which would take it to about 1000 Ah that factor of 40 thingy I didn't make up.

Beyond doubtable reason, or is it reasonable doubt. If we had the same attitude towards guns as the NRA, or is it half the brainwashed USA, we would be right up there with the Americans at 10 (aye and the rest) per 100 000 of the population.. I didn’t factor in eg knife crime or being chibbed with a buckfast bottle also known as Wreck the Hoose Juice (truly)

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RE: Aussies Warning to Americans about gun control!! - 3/15/2016 5:59:38 AM

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http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/gun-control-in-australia/

More gun whack-jobs making shit up.

Removing guns from the population makes a society safer, not more dangerous. It's astounding that this needs to be pointed out. You can argue that society should sacrifice a safety for the enjoyment of those who want to own guns, as society sacrifices safety for those who want to own fast cars. But trying to claim that guns make people safer is basically like putting a twig on your head and claiming you're a tree.

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RE: Aussies Warning to Americans about gun control!! - 3/15/2016 8:04:45 AM

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A part of this issue I don't see often is how indulgent/entitled gun ownership is (and I'm for hunting, sport shooting), particularly when automatic weapons are included. Whether you can carry or legally own a weapon ALWAYS is determined by the society to which you belong, whether a large, mass nation state or particularly a small band society (a survivalist group would encourage it, some religious communes not, but the authority either way still remains with the group). An inalienable right to a weapon applies only if you are a hermit, but then why would you have one for anything besides hunting?

There but for the grace of government (or whatever local governing body) goes our weapons. In the case of automatic weapons, there but for the grace of government suckling corporations can a market be created large enough to even make them. America (and I'm American), land of the entitled.

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RE: Aussies Warning to Americans about gun control!! - 3/15/2016 8:50:45 AM

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NewLifeAdventure and I'm for hunting prey tell me why is that. I a mere handsome loon with a cat problem and many difficulties in understanding many of your peoples non logical utterances....not even excitable....sure I know law, and the way of the muffin.

What, prey do you advocate as sport.the hunt, and will the prey be armed with equal formidable arsenal....Not particularity sporting is it, its called slaughtering the weak for purposes that escape me

But I would pay some of my cake money, not too much, for thee to go toe to toe with a polar bear, or an elephant, bare of fists - seems like a fair fight to me that one. Where can I buy my ticket for such an encounter...that I would surely see you shit your pants

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RE: Aussies Warning to Americans about gun control!! - 3/15/2016 10:49:47 AM

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quote:

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

Anyone who believes in 'gun control' needs to see this!

gun control

Dude, it's NRA propaganda. Learn to think for yourself: http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp

snopes?

That seems to be a helluva lot of crime considering all the guns were taken away.

At gun point I presume?

See what I find interesting is that you just did EXACTLY what the Snopes article talked about. Did you even read the article or are you just congenitally obsessed with stupidity.

You listed homicides as an absolute. You know what causes homicides to increase? Population increase dude. THEN you try and contrast this with homicide RATES in the USA.

Bad news dude, you're engaging in statistical nonsense.

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That seems to be a helluva lot of crime considering all the guns were taken away.

Are you high? 350 homicides in a country of 20 million versus your 32 and a half thousand handgun deaths alone in a country of 330 million.

Now let's see what the ACTUAL homicide rates are: http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/homicide.html

I presume the Australian Institute of Criminology is not a source whose credibility you will attempt to impugn. Let's see what they have to say:

Over the past 18 years (1 July 1989 to 30 June 2007), the rate* of homicide incidents decreased from 1.9 in 1990-91 and 1992-93 to the second-lowest recorded rate, of 1.3, in 2006-07. *rate per 100,000 population.

So let's recap. Australia, which has good gun control laws has a homicide rate which has decreased from 1.9 to 1.3 in 2007.

The USA, which does not, has a homicide rate which peaked around 10.2 in 1980 and which has floated up and down to 4.7 in 2012. That's a helluva lot of crime considering that everyone's carrying guns.

Basically your homicide rate is over 3 times ours. You can pretty much put that down to guns, dude.

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RE: Aussies Warning to Americans about gun control!! - 3/15/2016 10:59:35 AM

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http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/gun-control-in-australia/

More gun whack-jobs making shit up.

Removing guns from the population makes a society safer, not more dangerous. It's astounding that this needs to be pointed out. You can argue that society should sacrifice a safety for the enjoyment of those who want to own guns, as society sacrifices safety for those who want to own fast cars. But trying to claim that guns make people safer is basically like putting a twig on your head and claiming you're a tree.

What a stoopid thing to say.

Had tweak actually bothered to look at the data she posted she would have found that crime rose significantly after enforcing gun ban legislation.

god save the fucking queen!

which means the above chart is from her source.

The only thing the gun ban did was decrease suicides in which case everyone simply found other ways to off themselves.

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