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RE: The new Fascists are... democrats. - 3/19/2016 2:40:34 PM   
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This thread is inane.


Made more so by you. Feel free to make it less inane by your absence.


Unavoidably inane as a result of your starting it without engaging anything in your brain other than your usual prejudices. Feel free to suffer the results.

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RE: The new Fascists are... democrats. - 3/19/2016 2:40:53 PM   
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I don't support Dems or Reps. They both are authoritarian and dishonest. However, based on what I know about fascism, the Democrats fit that definition better (but both still fit to some extent). Fascism is a combination of corporatism and socialism. Both Dems and Reps have a corporatist element via control from interest groups, but the Dems are more socialist than the GOP which is why I think the definition fits them better. Neither of them are communist BTW despite what many people would say. Socialist, yes. Fascist, possibly. Communist, no. This is just objective thinking here from someone who cares for neither party. I am not actually completely against socialism either since we have been in dire need of regulations ever since the industrial revolution. Anyone who says otherwise has not studied history very well. That being said, regulations can be good or bad like anything else depending on how they are written and enforced.

Almost any type of government COULD work if it is implemented ideally. So arguing over a style of government is silly to me. Labels are stupid. I separate government into two categories: an effective government and a non effective government (effective meaning meeting the stated goals fairly and efficiently with little or no corruption). What we need really are intelligent, honest public officials that genuinely care for their electorate, but good luck with that (at least in this system). One of the major flaws of government in general is that it does not attract the right type of people that can do a good job. Unfortunately, it usually attracts sociopaths. I am not an anarchist either though because what we have is way better than what it was like in feudal Europe (which was very close to anarchy outside of the major cities). All this is common sense really. Even a dictatorship could be eutopia if the dictator is incredibly intelligent and effective as a person and works their hardest to make the world better. That doesn't mean we need a dictatorship though, that means we need a system of government that effectively finds honest, caring, intelligent people to run the country. I am actually working on creating a form of government based on that principle and also upon being as clearly understandable and non-corruptible as possible. All the rest of it will be determined taking a true cost-benefit analysis using utilitarian principles and intra-community debates.

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RE: The new Fascists are... democrats. - 3/19/2016 2:47:25 PM   
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So,because some fucking retard comes out here and thinks (and its pretty certain they dont do that) and talk about what aint gonna happen...............Im sorry ,without it but why exactly do I give a fuck again?

Cus you aint got a fix, you got felch.

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RE: The new Fascists are... democrats. - 3/19/2016 4:02:30 PM   
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This thread is inane.


Made more so by you. Feel free to make it less inane by your absence.


Unavoidably inane as a result of your starting it without engaging anything in your brain other than your usual prejudices. Feel free to suffer the results.


Educating morons like you is the reason I start these threads.

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RE: The new Fascists are... democrats. - 3/19/2016 4:07:35 PM   
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the nutsuckers are retards, they couldt educate a penis, only suck it. You lose take off your pants, cabana boy.

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RE: The new Fascists are... democrats. - 3/19/2016 4:45:07 PM   
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Staggers in moderately hammered on cheap Chardonnay

So if the democrats are the new fascists then what would that make the republicans...how you like em apples.

oh and someone start a thread a thread (seeing double bloody hell) Donald buffoonery uses the language of an 11 year old.

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RE: The new Fascists are... democrats. - 3/19/2016 4:55:21 PM   
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gods holy trousers you fekin plonk he has the grammar of a 12 year ole. yer wrong, guv.

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RE: The new Fascists are... democrats. - 3/20/2016 6:36:32 AM   
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I suppose being bitten by a Jack Russell is the same as being bitten by a wolf, when it comes down to it.


At 3-10x the weight, I think a wolf bite might be at least a bit worse than a Jack Russell bite.


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RE: The new Fascists are... democrats. - 3/20/2016 6:45:02 AM   
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Indeed. Differences of degree are still *differences*.

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RE: The new Fascists are... democrats. - 3/20/2016 6:46:55 AM   
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Educating morons like you is the reason I start these threads.


Ah - well, many thanks for your consideration, then.


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RE: The new Fascists are... democrats. - 3/20/2016 1:17:02 PM   
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I think I'll worry majorly about the fascism of any given political grouping when I start to hear of concentration camps, another Krystellnacht across the entire USA, thousands of people disappearing in the night at the hands of a shadowy Gestapo-type organisation, and the imminence of World War III.



Don't forget that America already had those camps. Ask George Takei! Or any of 1000's of other Japanese-Americans. Now we have extreme elements of our population calling for them again, this time for Muslims! And we ARE being asked to line up for dozens of things, from mandatory health care to the parenting classes and nutrition seminars some school districts are trying to require. Fascism is alive and well in too many American hearts. It's up to the rest of us to prevent it, whether it comes from the right or the left. Or both sides at once, as seems to be happening of late.

To equate the internment camps in the US with the death camps in Germany is obscene. The were wrong, but not patently evil.



yeh the german camps had prisoner swimming pools and other entertainment, hell they could even buy beer at the kantina! LOL




but everyone knew that because america has an open honest joe plumber transparent gubblemint.

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The japs had it much worse in the american camps, they couldnt go for a swim and drink beer while waiting to be gassed like the they could in the german camps.



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RE: The new Fascists are... democrats. - 3/20/2016 1:25:45 PM   
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Staggers in moderately hammered on cheap Chardonnay

So if the democrats are the new fascists then what would that make the republicans...how you like em apples.

oh and someone start a thread a thread (seeing double bloody hell) Donald buffoonery uses the language of an 11 year old.




maybe thats why america can relate to him so well!

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RE: The new Fascists are... democrats. - 3/21/2016 5:11:52 PM   
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yeh the german camps had prisoner swimming pools and other entertainment, hell they could even buy beer at the kantina! LOL



Still spouting of the old racist mantra Real........ Its a shame you know how to google, but not how to fucking read.

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RE: The new Fascists are... democrats. - 3/21/2016 5:19:29 PM   
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"The word Fascism has now no meaning except in so far as it signifies 'something not desirable.'"

George Orwell
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RE: The new Fascists are... democrats. - 3/21/2016 5:41:10 PM   
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Thats poignant. I dont care who you are. And the real pisscutter? In this day and age its true. I get fucksticks all over bitching about 'entitlements'......it is so disheartening......grab up a fucking dictionary, please people.

One asshole went off on me, because of the word 'allow'.......

I said, I will allow you are correct without let or hindrance.............

sometime after about forty paragraphs of him telling me how 'telling' it was and shit... I told him after describing some 2nd grade English language to him to suck a wad of cowpiss....he didnt get that either.

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RE: The new Fascists are... democrats. - 3/21/2016 6:16:47 PM   
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"The word Fascism has now no meaning except in so far as it signifies 'something not desirable.'"

George Orwell
"Politics and the English Language"


He might well have been right then, DC, but I don't think so now. He was right to pick up on the word 'fascist' as a general-purpose slam for something that people hated - without their being remotely accurate about the term - but I think it's now become quite important to use it again; though, this time, with a *lot* more care.

I don't know what Orwell might have thought of Trump. Of course, he hated (real) fascism and fought it himself in Spain, against Franco. Myself, I'm not going to use 'fascist' to describe Trump - not yet, anyway. But a few of the nasty elements are there, nonetheless, with him and his supporters, of what could *later turn into* a fascism of a peculiarly American kind.


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RE: The new Fascists are... democrats. - 3/21/2016 6:21:17 PM   
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Well, thats true of anything isnt it, guv. The socio-democracy in scandinavian countries is not the sociao-democracy in Germany, and not the socio-democracy of England, and there is nothing like the socio-democracy of America, pigslop you commie bastard, kill you fag, capitalism, military-industrial complex communism of America.

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RE: The new Fascists are... democrats. - 3/21/2016 7:23:35 PM   
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The were wrong, but not patently evil.


So you would be kewel if the cops locked you up for four or five years?

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RE: The new Fascists are... democrats. - 3/21/2016 7:36:14 PM   
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RE: The new Fascists are... democrats. - 3/21/2016 7:40:15 PM   
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LOL!

Mind if I purloin that image?

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