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Marini -> Brussels Belgian (3/22/2016 4:01:49 PM)

Hummmm
Front and center news, yet not one thread dedicated to the Isis terrorist attack today?
How odd

Ironically, Brussels is the home of NATO and the capital of the European Union.

Most of you love to chat, so let's chat.




Real0ne -> RE: Brussels Belgian (3/22/2016 4:10:39 PM)

"Made in the USA."



Incisive article originally published by GR in September 2014

Much like Al Qaeda, the Islamic State (ISIS) is made-in-the-USA, an instrument of terror designed to divide and conquer the oil-rich Middle East and to counter Iran’s growing influence in the region.

The fact that the United States has a long and torrid history of backing terrorist groups will surprise only those who watch the news and ignore history.

The CIA first aligned itself with extremist Islam during the Cold War era. Back then, America saw the world in rather simple terms: on one side, the Soviet Union and Third World nationalism, which America regarded as a Soviet tool; on the other side, Western nations and militant political Islam, which America considered an ally in the struggle against the Soviet Union.

The director of the National Security Agency under Ronald Reagan, General William Odom recently remarked, “by any measure the U.S. has long used terrorism. In 1978-79 the Senate was trying to pass a law against international terrorism – in every version they produced, the lawyers said the U.S. would be in violation.”

During the 1970′s the CIA used the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt as a barrier, both to thwart Soviet expansion and prevent the spread of Marxist ideology among the Arab masses. The United States also openly supported Sarekat Islam against Sukarno in Indonesia, and supported the Jamaat-e-Islami terror group against Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto in Pakistan. Last but certainly not least, there is Al Qaeda.

Lest we forget, the CIA gave birth to Osama Bin Laden and breastfed his organization during the 1980′s. Former British Foreign Secretary, Robin Cook, told the House of Commons that Al Qaeda was unquestionably a product of Western intelligence agencies. Mr. Cook explained that Al Qaeda, which literally means an abbreviation of “the database” in Arabic, was originally the computer database of the thousands of Islamist extremists, who were trained by the CIA and funded by the Saudis, in order to defeat the Russians in Afghanistan.

America’s relationship with Al Qaeda has always been a love-hate affair. Depending on whether a particular Al Qaeda terrorist group in a given region furthers American interests or not, the U.S. State Department either funds or aggressively targets that terrorist group. Even as American foreign policy makers claim to oppose Muslim extremism, they knowingly foment it as a weapon of foreign policy.

The Islamic State is its latest weapon that, much like Al Qaeda, is certainly backfiring. ISIS recently rose to international prominence after its thugs began beheading American journalists. Now the terrorist group controls an area the size of the United Kingdom.

In order to understand why the Islamic State has grown and flourished so quickly, one has to take a look at the organization’s American-backed roots. The 2003 American invasion and occupation of Iraq created the pre-conditions for radical Sunni groups, like ISIS, to take root. America, rather unwisely, destroyed Saddam Hussein’s secular state machinery and replaced it with a predominantly Shiite administration. The U.S. occupation caused vast unemployment in Sunni areas, by rejecting socialism and closing down factories in the naive hope that the magical hand of the free market would create jobs. Under the new U.S.-backed Shiite regime, working class Sunni’s lost hundreds of thousands of jobs. Unlike the white Afrikaners in South Africa, who were allowed to keep their wealth after regime change, upper class Sunni’s were systematically dispossessed of their assets and lost their political influence. Rather than promoting religious integration and unity, American policy in Iraq exacerbated sectarian divisions and created a fertile breading ground for Sunni discontent, from which Al Qaeda in Iraq took root.

The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) used to have a different name: Al Qaeda in Iraq. After 2010 the group rebranded and refocused its efforts on Syria.

There are essentially three wars being waged in Syria: one between the government and the rebels, another between Iran and Saudi Arabia, and yet another between America and Russia. It is this third, neo-Cold War battle that made U.S. foreign policy makers decide to take the risk of arming Islamist rebels in Syria, because Syrian President, Bashar al-Assad, is a key Russian ally. Rather embarrassingly, many of these Syrian rebels have now turned out to be ISIS thugs, who are openly brandishing American-made M16 Assault rifles.

America’s Middle East policy revolves around oil and Israel. The invasion of Iraq has partially satisfied Washington’s thirst for oil, but ongoing air strikes in Syria and economic sanctions on Iran have everything to do with Israel. The goal is to deprive Israel’s neighboring enemies, Lebanon’s Hezbollah and Palestine’s Hamas, of crucial Syrian and Iranian support.

ISIS is not merely an instrument of terror used by America to topple the Syrian government; it is also used to put pressure on Iran.

The last time Iran invaded another nation was in 1738. Since independence in 1776, the U.S. has been engaged in over 53 military invasions and expeditions. Despite what the Western media’s war cries would have you believe, Iran is clearly not the threat to regional security, Washington is. An Intelligence Report published in 2012, endorsed by all sixteen U.S. intelligence agencies, confirms that Iran ended its nuclear weapons program in 2003. Truth is, any Iranian nuclear ambition, real or imagined, is as a result of American hostility towards Iran, and not the other way around.

America is using ISIS in three ways: to attack its enemies in the Middle East, to serve as a pretext for U.S. military intervention abroad, and at home to foment a manufactured domestic threat, used to justify the unprecedented expansion of invasive domestic surveillance.

By rapidly increasing both government secrecy and surveillance, Mr. Obama’s government is increasing its power to watch its citizens, while diminishing its citizens’ power to watch their government. Terrorism is an excuse to justify mass surveillance, in preparation for mass revolt.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/america-created-al-qaeda-and-the-isis-terror-group/5402881






Lucylastic -> RE: Brussels Belgian (3/22/2016 4:16:44 PM)

I figured this would come up, sooner than the the bombing in ankara.




Marini -> RE: Brussels Belgian (3/22/2016 4:23:37 PM)

Actually Lucy, local news has almost exclusively covered Brussels, I had not even heard about the Ankara blast until you mentioned it.
Thanks for mentioning this attack also.
All bombings should be thread worthy, until they become common place.
Then we can say, just another bombing no big deal.




Lucylastic -> RE: Brussels Belgian (3/22/2016 4:41:57 PM)

Turkey has seen five since october. Not a mention ..
On March 13, bombers killed 35 civilians in Ankara and injured more than 125.
On march 19th they killed four in istanbul...Both incidents suicide bombers, but since october over 200 dead.
The backlash over brussels will be hyped, the hate ramped, the fear drilled, the facts wont matter, and its an ugly nasty horrendous mess.
Apart for standing up against any violence in my own life, I physically do much about it, Mentally? I grew up with "terrorism" being too close to home. I despise all terrorists. ALways have, always will.



Did you know that the 'New IRA' claimed a Belfast bomb attack on prison officer earlier this month?
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/new-ira-claims-east-belfast-bomb-attack-on-prison-officer-34517254.html




WickedsDesire -> RE: Brussels Belgian (3/22/2016 4:52:58 PM)

Good post realOne ironic so few will notice - you have noticed this haven't you, as have I long, long ago- like you..




Lucylastic -> RE: Brussels Belgian (3/22/2016 5:02:07 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

Good post realOne ironic so few will notice - you have noticed this haven't you, as have I long, long ago- like you..

A lot of us see that its is not a recent development. Most of us can assign blame, its a character flaw of most humans. Unfortunately thats all that is done.





dcnovice -> RE: Brussels Belgian (3/22/2016 5:05:25 PM)

FR

[image]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeJE6rkW4AAEDeT.jpg[/image]

http://www.vox.com/2016/3/22/11283110/brussels-belgium-attacks-cartoon-13-novembre-22-mars




Marini -> RE: Brussels Belgian (3/22/2016 5:14:19 PM)

That says it all dc.




Politesub53 -> RE: Brussels Belgian (3/22/2016 5:14:54 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

Good post realOne ironic so few will notice - you have noticed this haven't you, as have I long, long ago- like you..


Are you happy that his facts are incorrect ? If so, the rest of his almost 17,000 posts will delight you.

The halfwit that is Real actually insists 9/11 was carried out by the Bush administration. I dislike Bush for many reasons but even I wont swallow Reals repeated bollocks.

Has he told you yet how the Nazis provided swimming pools for the inmates of the concentration camps ?

Global research is global bullshit from one fuckwit, said bullshit is lapped up/adored by others..... go figure.




deathtothepixies -> RE: Brussels Belgian (3/22/2016 5:23:43 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini


Ironically, Brussels


is in Belgium.

People from Belgium are Belgians....

anyway from what I've heard the police in Belgium are not the best. Despite having a big problem with immigrants there is aparantly very little trust and communication between the police and the security services. They speak 2 different languages(it's a very small country) and there are something like 196 different police zones.

Some shit needs to be got together I think




UllrsIshtar -> RE: Brussels, Belgium (3/22/2016 5:57:43 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini


Ironically, Brussels


is in Belgium.

People from Belgium are Belgians....

anyway from what I've heard the police in Belgium are not the best. Despite having a big problem with immigrants there is aparantly very little trust and communication between the police and the security services. They speak 2 different languages(it's a very small country) and there are something like 196 different police zones.

Some shit needs to be got together I think



3 languages. Flemish (Dutch), French and German. As a reference for North Americans, Belgium is about the size of New Hampshire, but has a population of over 11 million people.

Oh and almost everybody also speaks English, and you can get all government paperwork, banking, insurance, etc you need in English, as well as English being used on the national ID card, so even though English isn't a mother tongue, its effectively 4 languages.

As a Belgian, I disagree with your assessment on the inefficiency of the police force, but considering that I've just got word that my mother is actually close to somebody who got injured (I don't know the injured party personally) it's hitting a little too close to home at the moment to feel like arguing about it. My parents live only about 20 minutes from where the attacks happened.






Awareness -> RE: Brussels Belgian (3/22/2016 6:08:23 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini

Hummmm
Front and center news, yet not one thread dedicated to the Isis terrorist attack today?
How odd

Ironically, Brussels is the home of NATO and the capital of the European Union.

Most of you love to chat, so let's chat.
Of course not. You have to understand the victim mentality which drives much of the discussion here.

Feminists regard Muslims as allies (which is ironic, because Muslims regard them as whores). In the pantheon of feminist causes there exists a hierarchy of victims of white men. White, middle class women place themselves at the top. Second are the American women of color. Black, hispanic, native American and so on. Third are the women of the Middle East whose situation is continually used as a justification for ongoing self-indulgent power-seeking by first world feminists.

And finally, at the bottom of the hierarchy are Islamic men. Chosen because they are implacably opposed to the West and are consequently allies in the struggle against the rapey patriarchal culture of white men.

Now, the irony of this deluded hierarchy could not possibly be more palpable. Islamic countries don't believe in rights for women as such and certainly would never indulge feminists to the degree to which white men have and Islamic men are much more driven to sexual assault than white men... but I digress.

The feminist mindset cannot possibly recast Islamic men as perpetrators. To do so would fundamentally undermine the illusions which feminists have built for themselves. If Muslim men can be perpetrators capable of evil, then - by extension - white middle class women could also be capable of being perpetrators capable of evil. And that is a paradigm which the feminist cannot possibly cope with. The idea that women bear personal responsibility for their behaviour and actions would drive them insane. They would all have nervous breakdowns in quick succession.

What is MOST important to them is to preserve the narrative at all costs. Remember, dishonesty is a bedrock upon which a feminist builds her worldview. First she lies to herself so that she may then lie to others.

At all costs, white men must remain the perpetrators and feminists and their allies must remain victims without agency who bear no responsibility for their actions or the state of their lives.

Thus endeth the lesson.




Lucylastic -> RE: Brussels Belgian (3/22/2016 6:10:01 PM)

you miss out working class women and poor women in your .."lesson"
Why is that?




Awareness -> RE: Brussels Belgian (3/22/2016 6:13:13 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

you miss out working class women and poor women in your .."lesson"
Why is that?
Because my dear Lucy, feminism has only ever been about the middle class. Seneca Falls was a bunch of middle class women for fuck's sake. So were the suffragettes.

You don't think feminists give a flying fuck about poor women do you? Oh, how precious!

Bless.




Lucylastic -> RE: Brussels Belgian (3/22/2016 6:21:05 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Awareness


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

you miss out working class women and poor women in your .."lesson"
Why is that?
Because my dear Lucy, feminism has only ever been about the middle class. Seneca Falls was a bunch of middle class women for fuck's sake. So were the suffragettes.

You don't think feminists give a flying fuck about poor women do you? Oh, how precious!

Bless.


LMFAO
what utter dipshittery.




Lucylastic -> RE: Brussels Belgian (3/22/2016 6:24:45 PM)

I apologise for hijacking the thread...back to the topic




WickedsDesire -> RE: Brussels Belgian (3/22/2016 6:24:59 PM)

Politesub53 I do not follow him. I encounter him - on the odd thread. He will have his reasons and I am almost certain he does not need me to correct him with his facts, not your implied facts..I did want to correct the number 3. but I just left that...I have nothing else to his other words

If he wishes to correct the stupid with the stupid on other threads - I believe he offers more than a fair trade.

As for Op she states in this very thread Most of you love to chat, so let's chat.

Christ .





Marini -> RE: Brussels Belgian (3/22/2016 6:37:12 PM)

As a solid moderate, and somewhat of a feminist, I'm glad I don't fall into the picture you painted.
It's sad we live in a society that people feel compelled to live up to whatever political faction they believe in.

I am divergent, thus faction less.
I am not happy with any of my political choices in the US.
We bicker like animals, and we the people have been sold out by BOTH sides a long time ago.
Democrats and Republicans are bought and paid for by big money, and serve global and corporate interests.

Democracy? Really?
Not these days

I hope to live long enough to see ONE President elected that does not appear to be bought and sold,
by corporate interests.




BamaD -> RE: Brussels Belgian (3/22/2016 6:45:31 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Awareness


quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini

Hummmm
Front and center news, yet not one thread dedicated to the Isis terrorist attack today?
How odd

Ironically, Brussels is the home of NATO and the capital of the European Union.

Most of you love to chat, so let's chat.
Of course not. You have to understand the victim mentality which drives much of the discussion here.

Feminists regard Muslims as allies (which is ironic, because Muslims regard them as whores). In the pantheon of feminist causes there exists a hierarchy of victims of white men. White, middle class women place themselves at the top. Second are the American women of color. Black, hispanic, native American and so on. Third are the women of the Middle East whose situation is continually used as a justification for ongoing self-indulgent power-seeking by first world feminists.

And finally, at the bottom of the hierarchy are Islamic men. Chosen because they are implacably opposed to the West and are consequently allies in the struggle against the rapey patriarchal culture of white men.

Now, the irony of this deluded hierarchy could not possibly be more palpable. Islamic countries don't believe in rights for women as such and certainly would never indulge feminists to the degree to which white men have and Islamic men are much more driven to sexual assault than white men... but I digress.

The feminist mindset cannot possibly recast Islamic men as perpetrators. To do so would fundamentally undermine the illusions which feminists have built for themselves. If Muslim men can be perpetrators capable of evil, then - by extension - white middle class women could also be capable of being perpetrators capable of evil. And that is a paradigm which the feminist cannot possibly cope with. The idea that women bear personal responsibility for their behaviour and actions would drive them insane. They would all have nervous breakdowns in quick succession.

What is MOST important to them is to preserve the narrative at all costs. Remember, dishonesty is a bedrock upon which a feminist builds her worldview. First she lies to herself so that she may then lie to others.

At all costs, white men must remain the perpetrators and feminists and their allies must remain victims without agency who bear no responsibility for their actions or the state of their lives.

Thus endeth the lesson.

Great post.




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