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Real0ne -> National Health Care FAIL (3/25/2016 10:29:01 PM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRDak8OKkYk Published on Mar 25, 2016 Felipe Montoya is an upstanding citizen, a permanent resident, someone who pays his taxes and obeys the law, works as a professor at Toronto’s York University… yet, he and his family are at risk of deportation because, well, his 13-year-old sold has Down Syndrome. Citizenship and Immigration Canada has old Montoya that his son’s condition makes him inadmissible to Canada because of the tax-burden his son would place on Canada’s health care system. Yet, this is the same government that welcomes refugees with open arms. Because of the way Canada’s immigration laws work, when a family applies for residency but finds even one member ineligible, the whole family suffers as a result. Because Montoya’s son, Nicolas, has Down Syndrome, the whole family is at risk of being deported.

thompsonx -> RE: National Health Care FAIL (3/26/2016 4:00:15 AM)
ORIGINAL: Real0ne http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRDak8OKkYk Published on Mar 25, 2016 Felipe Montoya is an upstanding citizen, a permanent resident, someone who pays his taxes and obeys the law, works as a professor at Toronto’s York University… yet, he and his family are at risk of deportation because, well, his 13-year-old sold has Down Syndrome. Citizenship and Immigration Canada has old Montoya that his son’s condition makes him inadmissible to Canada because of the tax-burden his son would place on Canada’s health care system. Yet, this is the same government that welcomes refugees with open arms. Because of the way Canada’s immigration laws work, when a family applies for residency but finds even one member ineligible, the whole family suffers as a result. Because Montoya’s son, Nicolas, has Down Syndrome, the whole family is at risk of being deported. What is your point?

Lucylastic -> RE: National Health Care FAIL (3/26/2016 4:38:27 AM)
When you come to canada, under family,sponsorship, the sponsor has to guarantee that each family member is financially secure for a period of ten years, this is partially to stop immigrants from coming here and using welfare, benefits etc. Now healthcare is given to new immigrants after the initial period, of about 4 months. But any health issue questioned will lead to a hearing. The prof has been here 3 years. He knew there might be a problem. Every single one of us had to get a medical testing of various types before we were given the final ok. Immigration here is a multiple pain in the arse. I understand that york u faculty and staff are trying to find a way to work around it, but apparently his son has more than a few problems.

DesideriScuri -> RE: National Health Care FAIL (3/26/2016 5:57:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic When you come to canada, under family,sponsorship, the sponsor has to guarantee that each family member is financially secure for a period of ten years, this is partially to stop immigrants from coming here and using welfare, benefits etc. Now healthcare is given to new immigrants after the initial period, of about 4 months. But any health issue questioned will lead to a hearing. The prof has been here 3 years. He knew there might be a problem. Every single one of us had to get a medical testing of various types before we were given the final ok. Immigration here is a multiple pain in the arse. I understand that york u faculty and staff are trying to find a way to work around it, but apparently his son has more than a few problems. How does Canada determine who is or who isn't "financially secure?" Other than healthcare, what social welfare benefits would this family be using?

Lucylastic -> RE: National Health Care FAIL (3/26/2016 6:13:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic When you come to canada, under family,sponsorship, the sponsor has to guarantee that each family member is financially secure for a period of ten years, this is partially to stop immigrants from coming here and using welfare, benefits etc. Now healthcare is given to new immigrants after the initial period, of about 4 months. But any health issue questioned will lead to a hearing. The prof has been here 3 years. He knew there might be a problem. Every single one of us had to get a medical testing of various types before we were given the final ok. Immigration here is a multiple pain in the arse. I understand that york u faculty and staff are trying to find a way to work around it, but apparently his son has more than a few problems. How does Canada determine who is or who isn't "financially secure?" Other than healthcare, what social welfare benefits would this family be using? You have to sign a statement stating that you will cover expenses for your family for ten years, no welfare, no housing, He may claim housing/welfare but the family will not be counted as "legal" dependents. He pays his taxes, his family will get basic health insurance. but with a downs child, theres also schooling expenses if its outside of the local school long term care is a possibility, caring for a downs child is hard, many need carer help. WHich can put a strain on the "government" over the years. IE< a friend of mine has a brother who has downs (he is now 50) Their parents died when he was 15 and she took over caring for him, he has a lot of problems over the years with housing, jobs, training, hospitalisations, and is now in a permanent care home, because she cant look after him by herself. That is a problem. Also for the record certain mental illnesses are a medical reason to be denied immigration. BTW you cant be a permanent resident before being accepted by immigration. You can be a landed citizen for a few years before immigration is approved.

Awareness -> RE: National Health Care FAIL (3/26/2016 7:06:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRDak8OKkYk Published on Mar 25, 2016 Felipe Montoya is an upstanding citizen, a permanent resident, someone who pays his taxes and obeys the law, works as a professor at Toronto’s York University… yet, he and his family are at risk of deportation because, well, his 13-year-old sold has Down Syndrome. Citizenship and Immigration Canada has old Montoya that his son’s condition makes him inadmissible to Canada because of the tax-burden his son would place on Canada’s health care system. Yet, this is the same government that welcomes refugees with open arms. Because of the way Canada’s immigration laws work, when a family applies for residency but finds even one member ineligible, the whole family suffers as a result. Because Montoya’s son, Nicolas, has Down Syndrome, the whole family is at risk of being deported. This is a fairly standard procedure which most countries employ. However you're not making any actual point here, unless your point is to try and make ill-advised pot shots at socialised medicine. I'll make things really clear. Socialised medicine, such as that employed in Canada and Australia produces far better outcomes for people than the hideous situation present in the USA. And strangely, despite the massively higher cost of all medicine in the USA, the only outcomes which the country excels at is outcomes for cancer. For everything else, the USA sucks compared to other wealthy countries.

Real0ne -> RE: National Health Care FAIL (3/26/2016 9:10:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRDak8OKkYk Published on Mar 25, 2016 Felipe Montoya is an upstanding citizen, a permanent resident, someone who pays his taxes and obeys the law, works as a professor at Toronto’s York University… yet, he and his family are at risk of deportation because, well, his 13-year-old sold has Down Syndrome. Citizenship and Immigration Canada has old Montoya that his son’s condition makes him inadmissible to Canada because of the tax-burden his son would place on Canada’s health care system. Yet, this is the same government that welcomes refugees with open arms. Because of the way Canada’s immigration laws work, when a family applies for residency but finds even one member ineligible, the whole family suffers as a result. Because Montoya’s son, Nicolas, has Down Syndrome, the whole family is at risk of being deported. This is a fairly standard procedure which most countries employ. However you're not making any actual point here, unless your point is to try and make ill-advised pot shots at socialised medicine. I'll make things really clear. Socialised medicine, such as that employed in Canada and Australia produces far better outcomes for people than the hideous situation present in the USA. And strangely, despite the massively higher cost of all medicine in the USA, the only outcomes which the country excels at is outcomes for cancer. For everything else, the USA sucks compared to other wealthy countries. Yeh I am making a point, the point is socialized health care is health care for the healthy. ill-advised? Thank you for your ill-advise, but I have no need for it. far better outcomes? cant you be more amibuous? try for 200% [8\|] what medical breakthroughs has canada made again? we have burzinski who the gubblemint restricted his cancer cure to texas and threw him in jail while they stole his patents. seems your hc like ours is centered on money, provinding great health care for the healthy, while factoring in awesome profits for gubblemint and its employees.

Lucylastic -> RE: National Health Care FAIL (3/26/2016 9:18:02 AM)
quote: Yeh I am making a point, the point is socialized health care is health care for the healthy. Its been the law since at least the 80s.... Healthcare is and will still be available or didnt you read what I wrote.??

Lucylastic -> RE: National Health Care FAIL (3/26/2016 9:24:16 AM)
PS do you know that inadmissible health-related conditions in immigration rules? are mostly the same as canada? http://www.cdc.gov/immigrantrefugeehealth/exams/ti/panel/technical-instructions/panel-physicians/other-physical-mental.html Required Evaluations - Other Physical or Mental Abnormality, Disease, or Disability D. Other Physical or Mental Abnormality, Disease, or Disability 1. Required Evaluation After completing the required evaluations for communicable diseases of public health significance, for physical and mental disorders that may result in harmful behavior, and for psychoactive substance abuse, the physician must consider any other findings in the history or physical examination that constitute a substantial departure from normal health or well-being, and must complete any diagnostic procedures necessary to determine a. the likely diagnosis b. whether the disorder will affect the alien's ability to care for himself or herself, attend school, hold a job, or engage in other age-appropriate activities c. whether rehabilitation or special training will be required d. whether the applicant is likely to require extensive medical care or institutionalization after arrival in the United States. 2. Reporting of Results The panel physician should provide additional information about each of the Class B conditions in the "Remarks" section of the medical report form. For each condition identified, the panel physician should a. estimate the severity of impairment as mild, moderate, or severe b. if possible, estimate the likely outcome of rehabilitation as minimal, partial, or full recovery of function c. predict the need for hospital or institutional care beyond that expected for a person of the applicant's age (i.e., normal need for increased medical care in the elderly should not be considered) If the panel physician identifies a physical or mental abnormality but is unable to make a diagnosis, assess the potential for harmful behavior, estimate the severity of impairment, or determine the potential for rehabilitation, the applicant should be referred for diagnostic evaluation. Completion of the medical report should be deferred until the evaluation is complete. For the UK Medical Examination The medical examination of an entry clearance applicant will be undertaken by a Medical Officer who will then pass the results to the Medical Referee. The function of a Medical Referee is to make a recommendation to the ECO concerning the suitability of the applicant for entry to the UK on medical grounds. In some countries, the posts of Medical Officer and Medical Referee are combined. The objective of the medical examination is to prevent the entry of, or bring to notice, persons who if admitted to the UK might: a. endanger the health of other persons in the UK; or b. be unable for medical reasons to support themselves and/or dependants in the UK; or c. require major medical treatment (for which an entry clearance application has not been made). Where an applicant has been diagnosed with pulmonary tuberculosis, leprosy, trachoma, a mental disorder, senility, conduct disorder (e.g. alcoholism, drug addiction, serious sexual aberration, etc) or any disease, physical defect, bodily deformity or fits of any kind which would prevent them from supporting themselves or their dependants, the Rules recommend the applicant be refused on medical grounds. http://www.ccdonline.ca/en/socialpolicy/access-inclusion/disability-and-immigration-law-in-the-uk

MasterJaguar01 -> RE: National Health Care FAIL (3/26/2016 9:53:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRDak8OKkYk Published on Mar 25, 2016 Felipe Montoya is an upstanding citizen, a permanent resident, someone who pays his taxes and obeys the law, works as a professor at Toronto’s York University… yet, he and his family are at risk of deportation because, well, his 13-year-old sold has Down Syndrome. Citizenship and Immigration Canada has old Montoya that his son’s condition makes him inadmissible to Canada because of the tax-burden his son would place on Canada’s health care system. Yet, this is the same government that welcomes refugees with open arms. Because of the way Canada’s immigration laws work, when a family applies for residency but finds even one member ineligible, the whole family suffers as a result. Because Montoya’s son, Nicolas, has Down Syndrome, the whole family is at risk of being deported. This is a fairly standard procedure which most countries employ. However you're not making any actual point here, unless your point is to try and make ill-advised pot shots at socialised medicine. I'll make things really clear. Socialised medicine, such as that employed in Canada and Australia produces far better outcomes for people than the hideous situation present in the USA. And strangely, despite the massively higher cost of all medicine in the USA, the only outcomes which the country excels at is outcomes for cancer. For everything else, the USA sucks compared to other wealthy countries. Yeh I am making a point, the point is socialized health care is health care for the healthy. ill-advised? Thank you for your ill-advise, but I have no need for it. far better outcomes? cant you be more amibuous? try for 200% [8\|] what medical breakthroughs has canada made again? we have burzinski who the gubblemint restricted his cancer cure to texas and threw him in jail while they stole his patents. seems your hc like ours is centered on money, provinding great health care for the healthy, while factoring in awesome profits for gubblemint and its employees. Socialized healthcare is wonderful, when it works. The problem is, it doesn't scale well to large diverse populations. It works best in small countries, with homogeneous populations with the same culture and the same health habits. The, larger, and more diverse the population is (and the more people who burden the system more than they contribute), the harder it is to maintain. 2 things seem common to the largest socialized systems: 1) Care is rationed. (No, not in the doomsday way Republicans say it is, but rationed all the same). Clinic visits, access to drugs, minor procedures, and even MAJOR procedures, if they are immediately needed to save a life are all just fine. However, major procedures, to mitigate non life-threatening issues, are limited in the number performed per year (i.e. rationed) (e.g. orthopedic surgery, which is medically necessary, but not life-threatening if it doesn't happen immediately) 2) Provider pay is significantly reduced. Doctors make significantly less than they do in the U.S., and so do nurses. 3) Obviously higher taxes If we truly want quality, sustainable, socialized healthcare in this country... EVERYONE has to be committed. Hospitals, physicians, nurses, taxpayers. RealOne would say, reduced compensation would (and has) reduced innovation. He is, on this very rare occasion, correct. The government, then has to factor in the cost of innovation into the mix (to partner with Universities and private firms to innovate new procedures and products). More taxes, and cost-cutting. On the upside. Socialized medicine DOES produce better medical outcomes overall, for far less cost. We'd all have to take it in the shorts to make that happen in the U.S.

MasterG2kTR -> RE: National Health Care FAIL (3/26/2016 10:38:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRDak8OKkYk Published on Mar 25, 2016 Felipe Montoya is an upstanding citizen, a permanent resident, someone who pays his taxes and obeys the law, works as a professor at Toronto’s York University… yet, he and his family are at risk of deportation because, well, his 13-year-old sold has Down Syndrome. Citizenship and Immigration Canada has old Montoya that his son’s condition makes him inadmissible to Canada because of the tax-burden his son would place on Canada’s health care system. Yet, this is the same government that welcomes refugees with open arms. Because of the way Canada’s immigration laws work, when a family applies for residency but finds even one member ineligible, the whole family suffers as a result. Because Montoya’s son, Nicolas, has Down Syndrome, the whole family is at risk of being deported. RO, It's rare for me to comment in this forum, but this is an exception. I read this forum routinely and I have seen you post some things that are spot on and I have seen you post things that are just stupid. But this time you have gone above and beyond ignorance to twist this story to fit your agenda. It is not the Canadian health care system that is failing the family, but rather the immigration laws, and IMO justifiably so. The family knew the risk they were taking when they entered as (as Lucy said) Landed Citizens.

MrRodgers -> RE: National Health Care FAIL (3/26/2016 7:45:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRDak8OKkYk Published on Mar 25, 2016 Felipe Montoya is an upstanding citizen, a permanent resident, someone who pays his taxes and obeys the law, works as a professor at Toronto’s York University… yet, he and his family are at risk of deportation because, well, his 13-year-old sold has Down Syndrome. Citizenship and Immigration Canada has old Montoya that his son’s condition makes him inadmissible to Canada because of the tax-burden his son would place on Canada’s health care system. Yet, this is the same government that welcomes refugees with open arms. Because of the way Canada’s immigration laws work, when a family applies for residency but finds even one member ineligible, the whole family suffers as a result. Because Montoya’s son, Nicolas, has Down Syndrome, the whole family is at risk of being deported. This is a fairly standard procedure which most countries employ. However you're not making any actual point here, unless your point is to try and make ill-advised pot shots at socialised medicine. I'll make things really clear. Socialised medicine, such as that employed in Canada and Australia produces far better outcomes for people than the hideous situation present in the USA. And strangely, despite the massively higher cost of all medicine in the USA, the only outcomes which the country excels at is outcomes for cancer. For everything else, the USA sucks compared to other wealthy countries. Yeh I am making a point, the point is socialized health care is health care for the healthy. ill-advised? Thank you for your ill-advise, but I have no need for it. far better outcomes? cant you be more amibuous? try for 200% [8\|] what medical breakthroughs has canada made again? we have burzinski who the gubblemint restricted his cancer cure to texas and threw him in jail while they stole his patents. seems your hc like ours is centered on money, provinding great health care for the healthy, while factoring in awesome profits for gubblemint and its employees. BULL...SHIT !! I have an on-line slave in Ontario and she has had falls, broken bones, fibromyalgia, copd and in the last two years a cancer survivor from 4 tumors removed from her lung. It has not cost her a dime but for a very few small copays for meds. In the US, she'd be bankrupt and long ago. In fact, I would have flown her down to visit me long ago but for marital legal problems that have taken years and (see above) her need now to start over and identify herself by obtaining her landed immigrant papers in order for her to be able to return to her home of the last 57 years. It's immigration and only since 9/11 that this shit goes on. I used to go back and forth to Canada from Detroit regularly as a kid. Not anymore. I might be a threat. Oh and almost none of the problems were an issue as stated by masterjaguar above. The longest she had to wait for anything or anyone, was 4 weeks. Doctors will see patients at night and on weekends. She told me doctors can make as much as they can but are highly taxed after $200,000/yr. (poor babies) Medical care in the US is in fact rationed to only those that can pay or the very expensive ER when it's life threatening. Medical innovations are made all over the world and many in the US are made with govt. assistance. When I see MRI's in Japan for $100 and the same in the US for $1,500 or more...the writing is on the wall. Never met a Dr. in the US who was involved, wasn't gaming Medicare and who didn't also own a considerable amount of real estate or didn't feel entitled to be a millionaire. My mother's Dr. was billing Medicare $125 per weekly blood test that never took place and this was in long term care so I figure every one of his patients there were getting 'weekly' blood tests. [sic] In the US EVERYTHING is ALL ABOUT the fucking MONEY !! Look at cancer, a disease most should never get. Gee, why anybody would want to move to Canada ?

Lucylastic -> RE: National Health Care FAIL (3/26/2016 10:00:26 PM)
I have a challenge for RO, Please give me the name of a country that allows immigrants in with the various medical problems discussed, and that will pay for long term disabled immigrants medical care?

Dvr22999874 -> RE: National Health Care FAIL (3/26/2016 10:56:46 PM)
Oz ? Fairyland ? Utopia ? Fantasy Island ? OompaLoompa land ?

mnottertail -> RE: National Health Care FAIL (3/27/2016 12:09:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 Socialized healthcare is wonderful, when it works. The problem is, it doesn't scale well to large diverse populations. It works best in small countries, with homogeneous populations with the same culture and the same health habits. The, larger, and more diverse the population is (and the more people who burden the system more than they contribute), the harder it is to maintain. 2 things seem common to the largest socialized systems: 1) Care is rationed. (No, not in the doomsday way Republicans say it is, but rationed all the same). Clinic visits, access to drugs, minor procedures, and even MAJOR procedures, if they are immediately needed to save a life are all just fine. However, major procedures, to mitigate non life-threatening issues, are limited in the number performed per year (i.e. rationed) (e.g. orthopedic surgery, which is medically necessary, but not life-threatening if it doesn't happen immediately) 2) Provider pay is significantly reduced. Doctors make significantly less than they do in the U.S., and so do nurses. 3) Obviously higher taxes If we truly want quality, sustainable, socialized healthcare in this country... EVERYONE has to be committed. Hospitals, physicians, nurses, taxpayers. RealOne would say, reduced compensation would (and has) reduced innovation. He is, on this very rare occasion, correct. The government, then has to factor in the cost of innovation into the mix (to partner with Universities and private firms to innovate new procedures and products). More taxes, and cost-cutting. On the upside. Socialized medicine DOES produce better medical outcomes overall, for far less cost. We'd all have to take it in the shorts to make that happen in the U.S. 1) Insurance rations healthcare (rationing must be a dodge topic in any system). 2) http://journal.practicelink.com/vital-stats/physician-compensation-worldwide/ (the truth is stranger than fiction) 3) If I pay 100 dollars tax, and 900 health insurance premium, how is that different than they guy paying 1000 tax and no health insurance premium. I dont know we need everyone committed. It would be nice, but this country does a pretty good job of collecting taxes from us, and we aint all-in-all-done on that issue.

Greta75 -> RE: National Health Care FAIL (3/27/2016 1:22:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic I have a challenge for RO, Please give me the name of a country that allows immigrants in with the various medical problems discussed, and that will pay for long term disabled immigrants medical care? I thought UK does that? Ha! Anyway, I have relatives who migrated to Canada, and yea, all their chronic life threatening surgeries was free of charge with no hassles. All Good! Works for them. They sing praises of Canada healthcare. I mean in compared to Singapore where they gotta cough out every single cent. It's free, it works, they get the treatment they need. They are happy. So I've never been against free health care if the country can manage their budget and control it and work it efficiently. But I don't approve it for the US, since they managed to go trillions in debt, without free healthcare already. There is no way, free healthcare is gonna work out for them. Their taxes are also comparable with countries with free healthcare. SO basically, they suck at money management at the moment.

epiphiny43 -> RE: National Health Care FAIL (3/27/2016 1:27:06 AM)
While we agree on several broad aims, your points on large societies that are not homogenous are based on incorrect information. The UK is hardly homogenous. Ethnic minorities reached 14% in 2011. For details of UK diversity, http://www.economist.com/blogs/blighty/2012/12/census-and-diversity White British are down to 80%. (The Irish, Caucasian Europeans, etc.) Indians then Pakistanis predominate among the non-white. If the NHS rations, it somehow manages better anyway. Outcomes under the HNS (UK health service) are superior in all respects to US health care with the exception of cancer, but that is misleading. Only for older Americans with cancer does the US system perform better. Younger USA citizens suffer worse outcomes for all chronic diseases. Outcomes all through the EU (And all other First World countries) are similarly better in contrast to US maternity and infant death rates. The cost of the profiteering built into the US system? Overall costs per citizen of the NHS is 1/3rd the cost of health care in the US per citizen! https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/07/100723112709.htm US physicians don't outnumber NHS MDs (per citizen), so what is the point of different compensation? The NHS also carries more nurses, midwives and hospital beds. Remember, this is done at 1/3rd the cost, and almost universally better outcomes. US GPs are paid 4.1 times the US GDP/citizen. UK MDs are paid 3.9 times GDP/citizen. HUGE difference! not. The above posted link (http://journal.practicelink.com/vital-stats/physician-compensation-worldwide/) shows US GPs are the highest paid in the world, specialists only 4th among the countries surveyed. HOWEVER, no mention of malpractice costs in the US badly distorting income and general medical practice profitability. In Fact, in many specialities, there simply are no US MDs graduating from school. All recruitment is from MD immigrants. This is hardly a sustainable situation. Why? The malpractice insurance can be over half the income of the MD in practice. Few to no MDs in training are looking at going into specialities that cost that much of their income just to pay the insurance. A unique situation under US malpractice and tort law, the thorn that is crippling the US health care system, left unaddressed in the ACA (Obamacare), to the distress of all who sincerely want a functional system in the US. It is impossible for me to figure how socialized medicine results in higher taxes if the NHS is spending 1/3 as much as the US per citizen. Do the numbers?

thompsonx -> RE: National Health Care FAIL (3/27/2016 2:41:09 AM)
ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874 Oz ? Fairyland ? Utopia ? Fantasy Island ? OompaLoompa land ? You left out r.o . land

teentie -> RE: National Health Care FAIL (3/27/2016 2:55:29 AM)
in the U>K> we have what is called the NHS. which is why all the scum of the earth come here. go to a doctors surgery on the NHS. full of foreign useless immigrants.. my father is a Doctor. now only works for private patients. TAUGHT ME YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.

thompsonx -> RE: National Health Care FAIL (3/27/2016 3:40:09 AM)
ORIGINAL: teentie in the U>K> we have what is called the NHS. which is why all the scum of the earth come here. go to a doctors surgery on the NHS. full of foreign useless immigrants.. my father is a Doctor. now only works for private patients. TAUGHT ME YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. Your daddy is a rich doctor? You are ignorant as a stone. So if you get what you pay for it becomes obvious your daddy spends his money standing pints instead of education for his daughter. Jesus you are fucking stupid.

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