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RE: In the name of Fair and Balance - 3/31/2016 2:03:05 AM   
epiphiny43


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Sorry, but you are SO Trump's base. Inexcusably naive and untutored in the ways of the world, and hopeless at intellectual analysis. Some sort of understanding of the modern history of Civilization couldn't hurt.
The applicable aphorism for Trumpism is: "You should have an open mind, but not so open your brains fall out."
Do you Really support a candidate for POTUS (and leader of the Free World) if he not only can't remember his carefully coached and practiced positions and platforms under a wee bit of stress, but lies repeatedly about Recent public statements? Putin gets away with that, but he OWNS the Russian media. Trump's a shit for brains, Not Ready For Prime Time performance artist, who is selling tons of newspapers and TV ad time for Other rich people and corporations. And you wonder why people who actually earned a sorta college degree (Journalism) diss him regularly? It's not hate, it's disrespect, disgust, and panic. A couple of Dems stop breathing and he Could be POTUS! Hopefully, that's what it'd take.

My cynical side believes he's working For Hillary, a Stalking Horse setup by Bill, Hillary and The Donald (Anyone need a better clue to a cartoon character??), which is working uncomfortably well. (The up side is he's about demolished the Republican Party, which has been badly needed since the Tea Party destroyed any possibility of rational compromise in national politics. Sometimes ya gotta break a few eggs?) He got lost in the Reality TV performance art aspect and has lost all control of the process, and what little control he had of himself. TV LOVES unscripted Behaving Badly in public, the country is addicted to it nightly. Trump is just that, 24/7. There are several mental diagnoses which start off with loosing control of egoist impulses. The end condition may not be pretty, even by modern TV drama standards.
Trump may soon enter texts as the classic case of Hubris. No idea what the the intellectual analysts will decide about his supporters. Besides Dumb as Bait? Not as smart as seafood?
Just because someone insults and opposes people you don't like doesn't mean he's better, or even as good. Trump's opinion of the general public likely is even lower than his opinion of the politicians he's opposed to. After all, they are poorer?

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RE: In the name of Fair and Balance - 3/31/2016 2:08:44 AM   
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Trump's opinion of the general public likely is even lower than his opinion of the politicians he's opposed to. After all, they are poorer?

As I mentioned.

Trump motivation is very simple. His not kidding when he wants to make America Great Again.

He wants America to again have the strongest world's military, strongest economy, get manufacturing up to snuff, and bring jobs back the country.

He wants to finish his life, feeling like he done an ultimate thing, improved people's life in America.

Is this from a self-less place that he really wants to help America?

No. It's from a point of view where he wants to die and being remembered in history for doing these things.

So I'm on board with him with his goals. I couldn't care less about his flip flops on minor issues like abortion. I will only have concerns if I believe he was a looney pro-life like George Bush.

But his not, he never was one. I always say, Trump is pro-gay marriage, and pro-abortion. Otherwise, I couldn't have been aligned with him.

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RE: In the name of Fair and Balance - 3/31/2016 2:47:23 AM   
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Donald Trump: I've Evolved, I'm Pro-Life Now
“Well, look, I’m — I’m very pro-choice. I hate the concept of abortion. I hate it. I hate everything it stands for. I cringe when I listen to people debating the subject, but you still — I just believe in choice,” said Trump. “Again, it may be a little bit of a New York background because there is some different attitude in different parts of the country. And, you know, I was raised in New York, and grew up, and work, and everything else in New York City. But I am strongly for choice and yet I hate the concept of abortion.”


So...he is pro choice...anti abortion, and now thinks that women should be punished...oh before he flip flopped again.


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RE: In the name of Fair and Balance - 3/31/2016 4:02:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		His pro-choice, that's his true stance. It's so obvious the pro-life thingy is to fit into republican camp, that's all.

But if you really think about it. If abortion was made illegal. How is it illegal if there is no consequences for breaking the law? Then it's not illegal.

MSNBC dude set him up and spin it because the interviewer asked him IF abortion was illegal, would he support punishment for it or something like that.

His just talking from a logical stand point.

You can't make something illegal and then not have a punishment for it.

I think as usual the left are just spinning this out of nothing that was such an unfair question.

This is like asking, "If rape was illegal, would you have a punishment for it?"

If the answer is no, then it's not illegal at all!

How can you say something is illegal and there is no punishment for it?

If all crimes were illegal with no punishment then, they are as good as legal.

So the interviewer asked if abortion was illegal, would he agree to punishment to enforce it? And he said yes. Makes sense as all illegal things will have punishments.

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RE: In the name of Fair and Balance - 3/31/2016 5:30:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		CHRIS MATTHEWS: Should the woman be punished? For having an abortion?
DONALD TRUMP: Well look.
MATTHEWS: This is not something you can dodge.
TRUMP: It’s not –
MATTHEWS: If you say abortion is a crime or abortion is murder, you have to deal with it under the law. Should abortion be punished?
TRUMP: Well people in certain parts of the Republican party and conservatives Republicans would say, yes they should be punished.
MATTHEWS: How about you?
TRUMP: I would say that it’s a very serious problem and it’s a problem that we have to decide on. It’s very hard –
MATTHEWS: But you’re for banning it.
TRUMP: Are you going to say, well wait, are you going to say put them in jail? Is that the punishment you’re talking about?
MATTHEWS: No I’m asking you because you say you want to ban it. What does that mean?
TRUMP: I am against. I am pro-life. Yes. I am pro-life.
MATTHEWS: How do you ban abortion? How do you actually do it?
TRUMP: You know you’ll go back to a position like where they had where people perhaps will go to illegal places.
MATTHEWS: Yeah.
TRUMP: But you have to ban it. I’m against –
MATTHEWS: Yeah you ban it but they go to someone who flunked out of medical school and-
TRUMP: Are you Catholic?
MATTHEWS: Yes, I think I-I-I
TRUMP: And how do you feel about the Catholic church’s position?
MATTHEWS: I accept the teaching authority of my church on moral issues.
TRUMP: I know, but do you know what their position on abortion is?
MATTHEWS: Yes, I do.
TRUMP: And do you concur with that position?
MATTHEWS: I concur with their moral position but legally I want to get to the question—
TRUMP: No but let me ask you. What do you say about –
MATTHEWS: It’s not funny.
TRUMP: It’s really not funny. What do you say about your church? They’re very very strict.
MATTHEWS: The churches make their moral judgments, but you’re running for President of the United States to become Chief Executive of the United States. Do you believe in punishment for abortion, yes or no, as a principle?
TRUMP: The answer is there has to be some form of punishment.
MATTHEWS: For the woman?
TRUMP: Yes.
MATTHEWS: 10 cents, 10 years, what?
TRUMP: I don’t know. That I don’t know.
MATTHEWS: Well why not, you take positions on everything else.


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RE: In the name of Fair and Balance - 3/31/2016 5:47:57 AM   
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RE: In the name of Fair and Balance - 3/31/2016 5:58:29 AM   
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Its pathetic, its happened soooo many times, he is truly useless to the people of america except as a bad example.


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RE: In the name of Fair and Balance - 3/31/2016 6:28:02 AM   
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If you say abortion is a crime or abortion is murder, you have to deal with it under the law. Should abortion be punished?

There ya go. His practically leading him that if abortion is illegal, there has to be punishment. His trapping trump that's all.

quote:

TRUMP: I would say that it’s a very serious problem and it’s a problem that we have to decide on. It’s very hard –
MATTHEWS: But you’re for banning it.
TRUMP: Are you going to say, well wait, are you going to say put them in jail? Is that the punishment you’re talking about?

At this point, from this statement, you can clearly see Trump is appalled by the idea that women goes to jail for abortion.

quote:

TRUMP: You know you’ll go back to a position like where they had where people perhaps will go to illegal places.

It's so obvious from here Trump is flustered because his 100% pro planned parenthood and pro-abortion but his running out of ideas on how to claim his anti-abortion. And his thinking his true thoughts that banning abortion is a damn bad idea, but he has to stick to it, as his running as a republican.

I'm convinced more than ever by this interview Trump is pro-abortion.

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RE: In the name of Fair and Balance - 3/31/2016 6:44:27 AM   
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RE: In the name of Fair and Balance - 3/31/2016 6:48:26 AM   
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I am just expressing a different point of view, and I'm happy to not follow the mainstream.

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RE: In the name of Fair and Balance - 3/31/2016 6:59:14 AM   
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RE: In the name of Fair and Balance - 3/31/2016 7:22:49 AM   
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Trump motivation is very simple. His not kidding when he wants to make America Great Again.


When did amerika stop being great?

He wants America to again have the strongest world's military,

Who has a larger military than amerika?


strongest economy,

Which country has a larger gnp than amerika?

get manufacturing up to snuff, and bring jobs back the country.


You seem to be in favor of the government telling korporate amerika where, when and how much to manufacture and whom they may employ and how much to pay them. That sounds less like democracy and more like a dictatorship.

He wants to finish his life, feeling like he done an ultimate thing, improved people's life in America.

Whose life has he improved so far?

Is this from a self-less place that he really wants to help America?

No. It's from a point of view where he wants to die and being remembered in history for doing these things.

So I'm on board with him with his goals. I couldn't care less about his flip flops on minor issues like abortion. I will only have concerns if I believe he was a looney pro-life like George Bush.

But his not, he never was one. I always say, Trump is pro-gay marriage, and pro-abortion. Otherwise, I couldn't have been aligned with him.

But now he is anti abortion does that mean you will have to change to change teams?

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RE: In the name of Fair and Balance - 3/31/2016 7:24:43 AM   
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I don't need people to agree with me :)

Then how do you expect trump to win if people do not agree with you?

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RE: In the name of Fair and Balance - 3/31/2016 7:50:05 AM   
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But now he is anti abortion does that mean you will have to change to change teams?

His not anti-abortion. He has no intention of banning abortion at all.

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RE: In the name of Fair and Balance - 3/31/2016 7:51:09 AM   
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Then how do you expect trump to win if people do not agree with you?

I don't expect Trump voters to be the majority in this forum. So I am not worried.

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RE: In the name of Fair and Balance - 3/31/2016 8:32:05 AM   
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But now he is anti abortion does that mean you will have to change to change teams?

His not anti-abortion. He has no intention of banning abortion at all.


Lucy just posted a link and his convrsation saying he was against abortion. Doesn't it hurt your mouth when you have both feet in it?

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RE: In the name of Fair and Balance - 3/31/2016 8:35:32 AM   
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I don't need people to agree with me :)


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Then how do you expect trump to win if people do not agree with you?

I don't expect Trump voters to be the majority in this forum. So I am not worried.


You did not limit your statement to the majority of this forum you said people....ya know as all the people who will be voting.

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RE: In the name of Fair and Balance - 3/31/2016 8:36:22 AM   
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Lucy just posted a link and his convrsation saying he was against abortion. Doesn't it hurt your mouth when you have both feet in it?

And I have explained why it convinced me more that his not anti-abortion.

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RE: In the name of Fair and Balance - 3/31/2016 8:37:27 AM   
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You did not limit your statement to the majority of this forum you said people....ya know as all the people who will be voting.

Yea but I live in Singapore, so the only people who can vote who I speak to are in this forum.

In my country, my regular friends, they cannot vote. Even if I speak to them about it. And I do not have a single local friend who is pro-Trump.

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RE: In the name of Fair and Balance - 3/31/2016 8:55:08 AM   
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