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Termyn8or -> RE: Appeals Court Stays Execution of Father Who Murdered His Own Daughters (4/3/2016 3:59:35 PM)
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ORIGINAL: vincentML
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This might be a case of reverse post hoc ergo propter hoc. Did it occur to you that states that have the death penalty need it ? There is a big difference in people in this country. Got someone from Texas, San Fransisco and Chicago they are likely to be very different. The environments are very different, and so are their attitudes.
I cannot agree. You might find cultural differences between 'classes' but not by geography, not with all the inner migration and the ubiquitous, homogenized popular arts; theatre, television, internet, etc.
I agree to disagree. I have run around a bit, pretty much an Ohioan, Clevelander actually. Been to New Mexico and of course what is in between, and Florida and of course all that stands between, in fact took two different routes down there, on I-75 and I-95.
Since you made that statement, I assume you have been around. Perhaps you simply aren't picking up what I am. I find attitudes different, but then discovering that would depend on how a conversation goes. In general I can say this, you get outside of greater Cleveland it seems people are more friendly. Actually been up east as well and they seem more friendly, but different. Actually that New England accent is easier to understand sometimes than the hillbillies.
But then these were mostly middle class people, back when we had a middle class. I was not out trying to score some crack. If I did I guess people in that socio-economic strata (if you can call it a strata lol) would have been largely the same.
And the rich are pretty much region free. They are their own type and really do not hold any loyalty to a city, state or even country. There is a reason they used to call them the jet set.
The middle class is who I meant. the people you meet in local bars. Not the bars with the live bands, can't really talk in those. In fact if I owned a bar there would be no jukebox in it. Not in the regular sense anyway. I would want it conducive to conversation. Hey, I can buy some beer and just go home and save a shitload of money.
And this is the crux of many of the problems in the US, other than the rigged elections. People don''t talk, houses no longer have front porches. It was really corny but people really did make an excuse to meet their new neighbors by pretending to need to borrow a cup of sugar. Well some did. they wanted to know the neighbors. Now you move in and maybe a year later you know a couple of their names.
So now all your information about current events comes from the media. Although there are exceptions. Like here, I know people who have made the news and it was all corrupted. And then recently a guy who owned a gas station got killed in an armed robbery, why ? I'll tell you why, because he did not shoot to kill. A trained CCW holder but unfortunately a "good person" who didn't want to kill. A good enough shot to shoot the thug in the arm and the leg, the thug turned around and did shoot to kill and killed the guy.
I won't make that mistake.
I do have a problem with the government administering the death penalty because the screw so much up. They are known to have executed the innocent. Bad enough they do it in other countries, but you would think they would be more careful here. They executed a 13 year old kid, who most likely was innocent. He was Black. And you wonder why they're pissed off ? Hell yeah, I would be pissed off.
So, while I advocate the death penalty, I also advocate a much higher standard of guilt. The physical evidence must be irrefutable and hopefully there were a ton of witnesses. I mean a ton, like 5, 200 pound people. Oh wait, that's only half a ton. OK then, a half a ton of witnesses would do alright I think, and EACH ONE OF THEM has to take the stand. In fact they should take it not in the presence of the others so we can make sure their stories match. And I also advocate the death penalty for forcible rape. Even feminists don't, but I see the world a different way.
In other words, not all people are people. You cross a certain line, do certain things and you prove you are an animal. A dangerous animal.
What do we do with dangerous animals ? What did we do when a pack of wolves were eating our sheep ? What do they do when mountain lions are eating their cows ? What do they do when a fox eats the hens ?
I am fully aware that this is a harsh and quite unpopular way to look at it, but I firmly believe it is necessary to get this world to be a better place to live. I believe we have no other choice.
Instead of don't do the crime if you can't do the time it is don't do the crime unless you want to die. We ain't feeding you for free no mo. (or giving you a sex change operation for free either after you commit murder) Fuck all that.
T^T
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