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amayos -> RE: A Tolerant comunity ???? (7/20/2006 7:46:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Alastair I recently happened upon a profile that stated she was taught males are the lesser species. Now i fully understand there are individuals both male and female who wish to be nothing and that is a choise they have made and something that works for them. But i did wonder how someone with these views would cope if they ended up in a situation where there were Male Doms as well as Dommes ?. For me one of the Greatest things in this lifestyle has been our acceptance and tolerance I was taught be we dom switch submisive male, female, non of us are of lesser worth we just have different needs and desires. I have in the past taken people new to the lifestyle to events and clubs and there first impression has always been how friendly and understanding everyone has been, I would hate to see this change. Play safe and have fun Alastair. Alastair, I have known a few over the course of my life who identified as female supremacists, and one in particular I would even consider a mentor. Her overall message: "It's not a role I play. I am not a dominatrix. It is who I am." Despite our obvious philosophical differences, I adored this woman. She was (is) beautiful, powerful, incredibly intelligent, and above all, the real thing. She didn't have any trouble at all mixing and mingling with those of different persuasions. Of course she didn't. She was secure in her own identity and more than comfortable in her own skin. One cannot help but admire that.

LotusSong -> RE: A Tolerant comunity ???? (7/20/2006 7:58:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vield Very good point, deltadawn. In your local BD/SM community you are there facing folks in person and hopefully courtesy is common. Unfortunately too many folks on line feel a statement of opinion which they do not agree with is an attack they MUST counter. Unfortunately insecure people feel the desire to attack others, too. Many feel anonymous behind their keyboard and say things they'd not dream of saying to people in person. Perhaps the other person seems unreal, when one only knows them as words on a screen? Your mileage may vary, vield I found three truths in this lifestyle: To some it is a Lifestyle, to others a convenient excuse. An opinion is a judgment when you don't agree with it. It's OK to be different, just do not be TOO different.

LotusSong -> RE: A Tolerant comunity ???? (7/20/2006 8:03:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MistressLorelei I think males are wonderful. I AGREE! I think EVERY woman should own one :) :) (I edit.. Therefore, I am)

MistressLorelei -> RE: A Tolerant comunity ???? (7/20/2006 8:12:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LotusSong quote: ORIGINAL: MistressLorelei I think males are wonderful. I AGREE! I think EVERY woman should own one :) :) (I edit.. Therefore, I am) Well what do you know... I agree with you. Though, why stop at one? : )

SusanofO -> RE: A Tolerant comunity ???? (7/20/2006 8:31:17 AM)
I honestly just plain don't care what other people want to do as far as bdsm activity. I think they can do whatever they want - plus, they are going to do it anyway; any little protest on my part would never stop them - if I did care, which I don't. I might be interested in this or that topic and ask a few questions if I am, but otherwise, I just don't care. - Susan

Curiossdragnlily -> RE: A Tolerant comunity ???? (7/20/2006 8:50:31 AM)
This is very true Sir. But there are M/many different P/people in "all" walks of life and unfortunately in a Community that needs to be tolerant there are S/some that's aren't. Isn't that what makes the world go round. All the differences. W/we just need to be more tolerant and show new P/people especially that there is the minority out there and W/we are the majority. i know that W/we run into M/many that just do not understand, especially that i am Master's slave. Could the "not understanding" lead to the intolerance?Master and i have no problem at all talking with P/people and telling what slavery truly is for P/people that live this lifestyle 24/7 TPE. with respect, lily, collared and owned slave of Master Curios srn 308-692-331

Mercnbeth -> RE: A Tolerant comunity ???? (7/20/2006 8:51:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sunshine119 ...If by chance, LA is around perhaps she will remember the title of the post that started the flame war regarding Candy, and can post the link for the edification of anyone who feels that we have the corner on tolerance....lol Sunshine, hoping to edify and give LA a break from having to search...here you go, title and link: "What is Monogamy" http://www.collarchat.com/m_230655/mpage_1/key_High%252CMonogamy/tm.htm#230655 but really, you could put any topic in the search engine and find condescending, mean-spirited, rude comments...it's just the way some people roll and, this slave has noticed, a bit of a kink--it must bring some sort of pleasure to some people to belittle others or their activities, or else why would they do it?

Alastair -> RE: A Tolerant comunity ???? (7/20/2006 8:54:10 AM)
Thankyou all for your comments just for the record im not judging anyones beliefs or saying that tolerance mean u have to allow any activity any where. I was more concerned with the idea that someone was being trained with a negative set of beliefs and how that may effect there interaction in the future.

stef -> RE: A Tolerant comunity ???? (7/20/2006 9:04:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sunshine119 CD, There was a several hundred post thread in response to a OP made my Candystripper around Christmas (I tried to look it up but could only access her last 300 posts) in regards to monogomy that became downright caustic. I was absolutely taken aback by the viciousness of people on both sides of the argument here. If you're referring to her thread on 'High Monogamy', no one was bashing monogamy there. Pinky set her ideas about her particular brand of monogamy above everyone else's, and then started with her usual drama whoring when she was called on that behavior. John Warren summed it up pretty succinctly here: It's hard to deal with someone who condescends and sets her positions up as being superior and then offhandedly apologizes and then does the same thing again. Eventually the apologies wear thin. If she wasn't a highly educated women, I could put it down to lack of awareness, but for someone with an advanced degree, that's hard to buy. ~stef

hizgeorgiapeach -> RE: A Tolerant comunity ???? (7/20/2006 9:25:32 AM)
Tolerance? In the BDSM community at large? What rock have you been livin under, Alastair? The Goreans hate the mainstream BDSMers. The mainstreamers hate the Goreans. Both of those groups despise those of us who abstain from Power Exchange and prefer to stick to purely physical consensual kink. The male supremists hate the female supremists and vice versa. The ones who call themselves slaves look down on those who call themselves submissive and vice versa. Yes, there are going to be exceptions to all of the above - so if the shoe doesn't fit, don't try to force your foot into it. And if the foo does shit, try to avoid stepping in the middle of it. Judgement calls are a fact of life. We all make them. Those who say they Never make them - simply don't Admit that they make them. Judgement calls are what we base our opinions and preferences on, and if someone HONESTLY never made a judgement, they wouldn't hold any opinions about anything. The difference is not in whether we MAKE judgements - but whether we VOICE those judgements to others.

popeye1250 -> RE: A Tolerant comunity ???? (7/20/2006 9:59:15 AM)
It's called "LIFE"; welcome aboard!

Mercnbeth -> RE: A Tolerant comunity ???? (7/20/2006 10:09:59 AM)
The "community" is very tolerant. Individuals are not, nor should they be if they have any integrity. The community encompasses everything from otk spanking, to permanent body modification. Individually I have the right to feel strongly that and protest against the practice of removing a woman's clitoris. As strong as I feel about the "ultimate" authority of a owner/Master over his property/slave I can't envision a scenario were I would tolerate that activity.

crouchingtigress -> RE: A Tolerant community ???? (7/20/2006 10:58:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: But i did wonder how someone with these views would cope if they ended up in a situation where there were Male Doms as well as Dommes ?. I am going to try to answer the question i think you are trying to ask. Superiority, more often then not, is a kink, (according to Websters: a peculiarity or deviation in sexual behavior or taste) Kinks are turned on or off or on as the situation permits. Kinks need to be fed, something needs to trigger them...so in the situation you described, if a FemSuperioity was at a party with male doms, but no one was there feeding her kink, then i would imagine that she is going to act just like she would at any other party... I am not saying that FemSuperiorty folks and MaleSuperiorty folks dont sometimes come into a room with a giant swelled head, after buying their own press, because that does happen, but its not long before people give them a taste of reality and they either realize how dorky they are being...or leave in a self important huff... (if you really take time to notice though, these folks are awfully lonely, but it is by design, they use superirioty to isolate them from a world that deep down they are really scared of, its the old reject them before they can reject me thing)

IronBear -> RE: A Tolerant comunity ???? (7/20/2006 11:29:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hizgeorgiapeach The Goreans hate the mainstream BDSMers. The mainstreamers hate the Goreans. Both of those groups despise those of us who abstain from Power Exchange and prefer to stick to purely physical consensual kink. There my friend you are wrong. Some Goreans dislike some od the BDSMers and some of the BDSMers hate some of the Goreans. Many Goreans dislike some of the BDSMers and Many of the BDSMers dislike some of the Goreans, whilst a few Goreans hate BDSMers and a few BDSMers hate Goreans and all they stand for.. That I think is more accurate.. Grom a Gorean view, we have a number of non Goreans who agree with much of our beliefs and are more than tollerant. In fact some are downright friendly even and visa versa..

crouchingtigress -> RE: A Tolerant comunity ???? (7/20/2006 12:32:06 PM)
[;)]yep! quote: ORIGINAL: IronBear quote: ORIGINAL: hizgeorgiapeach The Goreans hate the mainstream BDSMers. The mainstreamers hate the Goreans. Both of those groups despise those of us who abstain from Power Exchange and prefer to stick to purely physical consensual kink. There my friend you are wrong. Some Goreans dislike some od the BDSMers and some of the BDSMers hate some of the Goreans. Many Goreans dislike some of the BDSMers and Many of the BDSMers dislike some of the Goreans, whilst a few Goreans hate BDSMers and a few BDSMers hate Goreans and all they stand for.. That I think is more accurate.. Grom a Gorean view, we have a number of non Goreans who agree with much of our beliefs and are more than tollerant. In fact some are downright friendly even and visa versa..

KatyLied -> RE: A Tolerant comunity ???? (7/20/2006 1:21:22 PM)
This was another (in)famous thread from that time by the same author that ran over tons of pages.... http://www.collarchat.com/m_228753/mpage_1/key_straight%2Cwoman/tm.htm

IronBear -> RE: A Tolerant comunity ???? (7/20/2006 1:30:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KatyLied This was another (in)famous thread from that time by the same author that ran over tons of pages.... http://www.collarchat.com/m_228753/mpage_1/key_straight%2Cwoman/tm.htm What a sad state of afairs CM has lowered it's self to when people have to dig into the archives and attack some one who no longer posts or even visits the forums any more... Truely sad and disgusting.... This post and the one by LA regarding the same person is a good reason why I will be deciding if I leave CM permanantly or just severely restrict my posts and converse with the few friends who keep me comming back....

Ariel -> RE: A Tolerant comunity ???? (7/20/2006 1:37:07 PM)
I could not agree more IB, very sad indeed.... well said... kudos to YOU...

windchymes -> RE: A Tolerant comunity ???? (7/20/2006 1:43:50 PM)
There seems to be a basic human psychological trait in identifying with an organization or group or set of beliefs and then finding reason to point out the faults in those that don't belong to their groups or organizations, and then belittling the beliefs of others who don't agree with their own beliefs. For example, we want to belong to a certain church/religion, so OUR church is the most holy, WE are the only ones going to heaven, and all that don't belong to it are heathens who need to pray for their own forgiveness. We want to belong to a certain civic group, one who restricts membership to a certain race or financial status....even on college campuses, belonging to the "best" fraternity or sorority and looking down on those who didn't make the cut to get in. Or worse, the ones who joined the nerdy frat. Even being proud of the fact that so many are restricted from joining, and since you ARE in, you are better than those who are NOT in. Using the "Gor" example....as stated earlier those who are Goreans may think they're superior because they are the deepest, most 'real' and 'true', etc. etc. And the non-Goreans think they're superior because, well, those Goreans treat women like dirt and we have more respect for our women. (Those are just examples I'm throwing out here! It's not what I really believe!!! Don't inundate me with Gorean hate mail![;)]) I don't think I even need to go down the political road....those damn Dixie Chicks![;)] Or the skinny/overweight one....damn Paris Hilton! It just seems to be basic human nature. I think true maturity comes when we realize that we're all just people, and that we're lucky enough to live in a society where we CAN celebrate our individuality. And that our goodness comes from WHO we are, not WHAT we are.

hizgeorgiapeach -> RE: A Tolerant comunity ???? (7/20/2006 3:18:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: IronBear quote: ORIGINAL: hizgeorgiapeach The Goreans hate the mainstream BDSMers. The mainstreamers hate the Goreans. Both of those groups despise those of us who abstain from Power Exchange and prefer to stick to purely physical consensual kink. There my friend you are wrong. Some Goreans dislike some od the BDSMers and some of the BDSMers hate some of the Goreans. Many Goreans dislike some of the BDSMers and Many of the BDSMers dislike some of the Goreans, whilst a few Goreans hate BDSMers and a few BDSMers hate Goreans and all they stand for.. That I think is more accurate.. Grom a Gorean view, we have a number of non Goreans who agree with much of our beliefs and are more than tollerant. In fact some are downright friendly even and visa versa.. IB, while I normally don't disagree vehemently with you - you seem to have ignored the final sentence in the paragraph that you partially quoted. To whit : quote: original hizgeorgiapeach The Goreans hate the mainstream BDSMers. The mainstreamers hate the Goreans. Both of those groups despise those of us who abstain from Power Exchange and prefer to stick to purely physical consensual kink. The male supremists hate the female supremists and vice versa. The ones who call themselves slaves look down on those who call themselves submissive and vice versa. Yes, there are going to be exceptions to all of the above - so if the shoe doesn't fit, don't try to force your foot into it. And if the foo does shit, try to avoid stepping in the middle of it. The shoe doesn't fit for you. And the foo hasn't shit in your path.

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