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RE: Panama Papers - 4/6/2016 10:08:34 AM   
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I think you have more integrity ....

dont be so sure.. slowly, slowly, slowly, the American influence on me has been wearing me down, bit by bit...

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RE: Panama Papers - 4/6/2016 10:32:43 AM   
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grins, I guess you need some mystery these days....

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RE: Panama Papers - 4/6/2016 10:41:03 AM   
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What I want disclosed is govt. agencies involved and hopefully get them out of the offshore finance/money, handling/laundering business.

Well,.. Those govt agencies arent hiding.. far from it, they even advertise their services & benefits of incorporating in their country/state.. here the biggest are the State of Delaware, Nevada, Wyoming.. the US territory of PR.. It is estimated that $300 BILLION is laundered in the US... which makes sense cuz the US is a huge hungry market for products/services that are criminal/illegal..

"Money laundering is a necessary consequence of almost all profit generating crimes and can occur
almost anywhere in the world
. It is difficult to estimate with any accuracy how much money is laundered
in the United States
. However, while recognizing the limitations of the data sets utilized, this assessment
estimates that about $300 billion is generated annually in illicit proceeds. Fraud and drug trafficking
offenses generate most of those proceeds.

Fraud encompasses a number of distinct crimes, which together generate the largest volume of illicit
proceeds in the United States. Fraud perpetrated against federal government programs, including false
claims for federal tax refunds, Medicare and Medicaid reimbursement, and food and nutrition subsidies,
represent only one category of fraud but one that is estimated to generate at least twice the volume of
illicit proceeds earned from drug trafficking. Healthcare fraud involves the submission of false claims for
reimbursement, sometimes with the participation of medical professionals, support staff, and even
patients. Federal government payments received illegally by check can be cashed through check cashing
services, some of which have been found to be complicit in the fraud.

Drug trafficking is a cash business generating an estimated $64 billion annually from U.S. sales. Mexico
is the primary source of supply for some drugs and a transit point for others. Although there are no
reliable estimates of how much money Mexican drug trafficking organizations earn overall (estimates
range from $6 billion to $39 billion), for cocaine, Mexican suppliers are estimated to earn about 14 cents of every dollar spent by retail buyers in the United States. It is the thousands of low level drug dealers and
distributors throughout the country who receive most of the drug proceeds.

The severing by U.S. banks of customer relationships with Mexican money exchangers (casas de cambio)
as a result of U.S. enforcement actions against U.S. banks between 2007 and 2013, combined with the
U.S. currency deposit restrictions imposed by Mexico in 2010, are believed to have led to an increase in
holding and using drug cash in the United States and abroad
, because of placement challenges in both
countries. This shifted some money laundering activity from Mexico to the United States. "


https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/terrorist-illicit-finance/Documents/National%20Money%20Laundering%20Risk%20Assessment%20%E2%80%93%2006-12-2015.pdf


Ok but what I meant was such as CIA front companies for ops. The use of CIA (tax money) to influence foreign govts. and even their people. It is these kind of activities that when exposed, really creates enemies to the US. Time to stop that shit and stop 'winning friends' and 'influencing people' with bribes, false flags or even revolutions.

It was in fact the CIA that funded the so-called Libyan revolution against Qaddafi.

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RE: Panama Papers - 4/6/2016 12:45:21 PM   
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Ok but what I meant was such as CIA front companies for ops. The use of CIA (tax money) to influence foreign govts. and even their people. It is these kind of activities that when exposed, really creates enemies to the US. Time to stop that shit and stop 'winning friends' and 'influencing people' with bribes, false flags or even revolutions.

It was in fact the CIA that funded the so-called Libyan revolution against Qaddafi.

well,.. yoiu see, the US govt thinks that is the right kinda terrorism, when they do it its ok... and i do 100% agree they should butt out of the mid-east and other countries, it doesnt just creates enemies to the US, it also creates enemies to any countries friendly to the US..

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RE: Panama Papers - 4/6/2016 3:07:22 PM   
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Shall we have a lil discussion on this?
Ive hinted at it a couple of times this week, but no one has bitten.
So im done pussy footing around.
Panama papers
Heres some links to give you the background
http://www.theguardian.com/news/2016/apr/03/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-panama-papers
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/05/world/panama-papers-explainer.html?_r=0
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/04/04/472985787/heres-what-you-need-to-know-so-far-about-panama-papers
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article69943337.html
This is the actual site...
https://panamapapers.icij.org/
The PMs (of UK) father is already named, so is Icelands president who has resigned already, and so is Vlad Putin. Of course there are more and Im not going to be surprised whose names pop up, from any country on any side and any sex. (just like the DC Madams call list that is now under kill switch security by the lawyer).
and corporations are people, but only rich crooked people.
gah sickening.


I read about this from Yahoo. I went and looked at a high level view of what politicians were involved. More specifically, I looked at what countries the politicians came from. Not seeing anyone listed from the US, I decided I don't have enough fucks to give one about this at the moment. If (when?) there are politicians from the US implicated, I'll be more inclined to give a fuck.

I have no say in Iceland's, the UK's, or in Russia's politics, so knowing that they are implicated of something in the Panama Papers makes no difference to me.


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RE: Panama Papers - 4/6/2016 6:45:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Shall we have a lil discussion on this?
Ive hinted at it a couple of times this week, but no one has bitten.
So im done pussy footing around.
Panama papers
Heres some links to give you the background
http://www.theguardian.com/news/2016/apr/03/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-panama-papers
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/05/world/panama-papers-explainer.html?_r=0
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/04/04/472985787/heres-what-you-need-to-know-so-far-about-panama-papers
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article69943337.html
This is the actual site...
https://panamapapers.icij.org/
The PMs (of UK) father is already named, so is Icelands president who has resigned already, and so is Vlad Putin. Of course there are more and Im not going to be surprised whose names pop up, from any country on any side and any sex. (just like the DC Madams call list that is now under kill switch security by the lawyer).
and corporations are people, but only rich crooked people.
gah sickening.


I read about this from Yahoo. I went and looked at a high level view of what politicians were involved. More specifically, I looked at what countries the politicians came from. Not seeing anyone listed from the US, I decided I don't have enough fucks to give one about this at the moment. If (when?) there are politicians from the US implicated, I'll be more inclined to give a fuck.

I have no say in Iceland's, the UK's, or in Russia's politics, so knowing that they are implicated of something in the Panama Papers makes no difference to me.



John Podesta. A bundler for Hillary.

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RE: Panama Papers - 4/6/2016 11:25:38 PM   
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http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/05/hillary-clinton-ties-emerge-in-panama-papers/

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RE: Panama Papers - 4/6/2016 11:32:15 PM   
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http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/05/hillary-clinton-ties-emerge-in-panama-papers/



How many of us with two brain cells to rub together (which excludes most of the lefties, here) didn't kind of see something like this coming? Hell, Stevie Wonder could have seen this coming!



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RE: Panama Papers - 4/6/2016 11:36:46 PM   
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Its interesting nonetheless that clinton contacts and democrat officials worked to undermine a US ally.

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RE: Panama Papers - 4/7/2016 12:36:08 AM   
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John Podesta. A bundler for Hillary.


Podesta being in the Panama Papers, even if he's found to have been doing something illegal, means jack shit, really, about Clinton.

If any elected representatives that rail against off-shore tax havens are found to be using Panama as a tax haven, then that's on them to explain their hypocrisy. It's not on Hillary to explain Podesta's actions.


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RE: Panama Papers - 4/7/2016 3:53:40 AM   
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Corporations are treated as people by the government but this is not right.
An imdividual Person should have the right to graze his cattle on public lands (for the small fee they charge), not some corporation that might get bought by a foreign held corporation, or even a foreign corporation that does Not give two shits about our public lands. The rights to profit from American resources should have a preference to or even be reserved to us citizens, entirely american held companies, or companies majorly owned by americans.

in third world countries they welcome Any development and foreign investment, almost irregardless of how they might exploit natural resources and to a major extent- the people themselves. In a second world country that has already been developed there is a preference for local product if they Can produce such a product- other than fad or fashionable items. In first world countries there is an open agreement that corporations can operate in each other's lands with the provision that they pay taxes on product produced and/or value added. In non manufacturing work the value added is easily deferred to locales with low or non existent taxation. Thousands of corporations base their Home Office in Ireland which has low taxes in order to be taxed, albeit at a low rate, rather than claim a home office within a non taxing country in order to claim they do Not avoid taxation. This is still bullshit. The anerican pharmaceutical companies based now in Ireland make very little there, and if they do it still took jobs away from americans. Its comical how they still will overcharge americans for their pills as compared to reasonable prices elsewhere in order to further profit from and insult the spirit of the law. There used to be busloads of senior citizens arriving in canada to get prescription medicine at a much lower rate than in the US. Chances are maybe they buy them from the internet now, and might sometimes be getting fraudulent drugs, but originally via bus trips got the exact same product in Canada for much less.

Shuffling money across borders is obviously a means of avoiding taxation. Any small island nation with an overrepresentation of banks and depositary levels should be invaded by the marines and All the bank's servers, computers, backups, and records destroyed after cutting their internet access physically by simultaneous cutting of their undersea data cables, and air strikes on any satellite data comm locations to prevent the money from leaving and effectively destroying it. This is better than taking the money because it would seem like it was done for gain. A problem is that these banks also have gold bullion deposits in the order of hundreds of billions of dollars and pale the amounts held by the poorest 85% of countries. The gold bullion could be struck into rather tiny coin and given to the poorest of the poor. This will never happen becuase those with an excess of money will do Anything to keep it, avoiding taxes is just one of the tricks they use.


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RE: Panama Papers - 4/7/2016 4:20:06 AM   
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http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/05/hillary-clinton-ties-emerge-in-panama-papers/



How many of us with two brain cells to rub together (which excludes most of the lefties, here) didn't kind of see something like this coming? Hell, Stevie Wonder could have seen this coming!



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RE: Panama Papers - 4/7/2016 5:58:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/05/hillary-clinton-ties-emerge-in-panama-papers/



How many of us with two brain cells to rub together (which excludes most of the lefties, here) didn't kind of see something like this coming? Hell, Stevie Wonder could have seen this coming!



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RE: Panama Papers - 4/7/2016 2:53:27 PM   
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People who are in power tend to be scumbags. I'm shocked, I say. SHOCKED.

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RE: Panama Papers - 4/7/2016 7:29:29 PM   
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People who are in power tend to be scumbags. I'm shocked, I say. SHOCKED.


Me too
What is the world coming to?


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RE: Panama Papers - 4/7/2016 7:57:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

People who are in power tend to be scumbags. I'm shocked, I say. SHOCKED.


Omfg...not only are we in the same boat but we are both rowing in the same direction...the end is nigh

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RE: Panama Papers - 4/7/2016 11:04:50 PM   
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I haven't seen a word out of Hillary about this yet. Bernie is talking about it a lot though.

You know, one of those things where he was right and she was wrong.

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RE: Panama Papers - 4/7/2016 11:15:25 PM   
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I haven't seen a word out of Hillary about this yet. Bernie is talking about it a lot though.

You know, one of those things where he was right and she was wrong.



Keep this quote! Very rarely can someone use "Bernie (Sanders)" and "right" in the same sentence and not be laughed at!





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RE: Panama Papers - 4/8/2016 6:24:06 AM   
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Here's a great excerpt from an article out today on yahoo...

Almost lost among the many revelations is the fact that Russia’s biggest bank uses The Podesta Group as its lobbyist in Washington, D.C. Though hardly a household name, this firm is well known inside the Beltway, not least because its CEO is Tony Podesta, one of the best-connected Democratic machers in the country. He founded the firm in 1998 with his brother John, formerly chief of staff to President Bill Clinton, then counselor to President Barack Obama, Mr. Podesta is the very definition of a Democratic insider. Outsiders engage the Podestas and their well-connected lobbying firm to improve their image and get access to Democratic bigwigs.

Which is exactly what Sberbank, Russia’s biggest financial institution, did this spring. As reported at the end of March, the Podesta Group registered with the U.S. Government as a lobbyist for Sberbank, as required by law, naming three Podesta Group staffers: Tony Podesta plus Stephen Rademaker and David Adams, the last two former assistant secretaries of state. It should be noted that Tony Podesta is a big-money bundler for the Hillary Clinton presidential campaign while his brother John is the chairman of that campaign, the chief architect of her plans to take the White House this November.


Sberbank (Savings Bank in Russian) engaged the Podesta Group to help its public image—leading Moscow financial institutions not exactly being known for their propriety and wholesomeness—and specifically to help lift some of the pain of sanctions placed on Russia in the aftermath of the Kremlin’s aggression against Ukraine, which has caused real pain to the country’s hard-hit financial sector.

It’s hardly surprising that Sberbank sought the help of Democratic insiders like the Podesta Group to aid them in this difficult hour, since they clearly understand how American politics work. The question is why the Podesta Group took Sberbank’s money. That financial institution isn’t exactly hiding in the shadows—it’s the biggest bank in Russia, and its reputation leaves a lot to be desired. Nobody acquainted with Russian finance was surprised that Sberbank wound up in the Panama Papers.

Since the brothers are destined for very high-level jobs if the Democrats triumph in November, their relationship is something they—and Clinton—need to explain.

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RE: Panama Papers - 4/8/2016 6:27:24 AM   
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The interesting bit about the last is that Clinton got to choose her own team at State. She put Rademaker and Adams in position.

I'm sure when the papers started running the Panama documents, they figured they'd catch a bunch of crooked republicans. Imagine their surprise....

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