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RE: Panama Papers - 4/17/2016 9:24:08 AM

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John Podesta. A bundler for Hillary.

Podesta being in the Panama Papers, even if he's found to have been doing something illegal, means jack shit, really, about Clinton.

If any elected representatives that rail against off-shore tax havens are found to be using Panama as a tax haven, then that's on them to explain their hypocrisy. It's not on Hillary to explain Podesta's actions.

Why do elected representatives need to go to Panama when they have state tax havens like Delaware, Wyoming, Nevada, etc right here, not to mention Puerto Rico, all without leaving the good ole USA? You can set things up in this country so that no one knows who the real owners of the corporation are.. and for a lot cheaper too! Maybe thats why most named in these hacked docs dont name Americans.. just sayin'

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RE: Panama Papers - 4/17/2016 11:33:19 AM

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Hell at least your threading unlike most regulars on here, myself included, albeit they usually turn the thread to guns and communism, in a blink of their crooked eye..I lack the capacity to thread a lot, save science malarkey. Incidentally there is no such thing as science only magic, and perhaps a nice piece of cake, imprisoned by some vanilla ice cream – let it never be said the man in the slippers never said vanilla wasn’t good for something. Incidentally I know everything even the unknown..I digress where was I

Ah, yes(see I can punctuate)! Tax havens, and thievery, and the rich being above the paying their fair share of taxes, has been going on since time immemorial.

Panama has crept up a few times on here. And they do not even figure in the top ten of nations. Top of the list will be:

Swiss (similar to swizzle/swindler cowardly bastards hoarders of nazi gold plundered etc – anyone know what a swizzle stick is and can send me 100(trick question – language barrier and all that -chips fries) I will offer to marry. Ah where was I. Switzerland I would wipe that place of the face of the planet, if I had to pick just the one. They have 4, or is 5 languages, teet sucklers of nazi gold, and they eat children and cute fluffy bunnies. (tis true go into any coawrdlynonentity swiss restaurant with a bar of nazi gold and order up a bucket of urchins and plump fluffy bunnies.

America which is akin to an intriguing fungal infection of my big toe - it will not go away
United Kingdom crown dependences - I favour annexing england and the crown dependences and enslaving them all to my muffin plantation…the big breasted women, resplendent in corset, I will keep, and the small breasted ones too as you lot can be fit.

I do not not understand why it is making the news now (well I do know)
And I do not understand why tax havens are not laid bare for all sheople to see
And i am all for bringing crucifixion back too and I would nail them to the four cardinal points with 4 ravenous piranha (tricky blighter to spell that). Coincidently you can also order up in a Swiss restaurant, for two bars of nazi gold and a nice Rembrandt, a bowl of piranhas gorging on children and cute fluffy bunnies.

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RE: Panama Papers - 4/17/2016 2:53:03 PM

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nothing to see here eh?
ok

Well that was a non-answer.

I actually stated what I see as a really huge issue, that you seem not to comprehend. Politicians and the media are describing this as a tax-evasion scandal. That is whitewashing. This is a global government corruption scandal. I just have not seen anything illegal mentioned. If it is legal and normal for politicians to squirrel away these kinds of funds in offshore accounts, that is a serious issue that needs to be addressed. Because, where is the money coming from?

What we are talking about is the very immorality and lack of ethics endemic to the corporate world we live in. Lobbying for, the corrupt legislators passing laws, that make this all...legalized immorality and rent-seeking.

I have refrained from comment but the very existence of something called the corporation...is immoral and unethical prima facie and is anathema to a free society. Did BP neglect their oil platform for greater profit ? Yes. Did that deliberate neglect result in th death of 11 people ? Yes. Did anybody go to jail for those deaths ? NO !!

Do mines explode or collapse, killing people ? Yes. Do they do so through corporate neglect ? Yes. It has been argued that corporations are still liable which is of course not true at all...except financially. They 'settle' their corporate criminal liabilities with the U.S. Attorney for money. Nobody at the coal companies or oil companies, ever go to jail for what is corporate manslaughter or other criminal offenses for which real people do.

The only reason for the existence of the corporation is to do exactly what we see...remove criminal liability allowing for a financial settlement and reduce ultimate financial liability to no more then investors original investment. As I've written, the corp. only exists on paper...in the abstract. [It] does not exist in reality anymore than any other company.

Furthermore, the courts bestow incredible and unsubstantiated constitutional rights upon the corporation, uphold extremely high bars to legally prove discrimination and other violations of law by the corporation and [it] remains the most pervasive and widespread authoritarian institution in a free society. Do what you are told, keep quite when you are told, keep secret what you are old or...you are fired.

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RE: Panama Papers - 4/17/2016 7:53:11 PM

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John Podesta. A bundler for Hillary.

Podesta being in the Panama Papers, even if he's found to have been doing something illegal, means jack shit, really, about Clinton.
If any elected representatives that rail against off-shore tax havens are found to be using Panama as a tax haven, then that's on them to explain their hypocrisy. It's not on Hillary to explain Podesta's actions.

Why do elected representatives need to go to Panama when they have state tax havens like Delaware, Wyoming, Nevada, etc right here, not to mention Puerto Rico, all without leaving the good ole USA? You can set things up in this country so that no one knows who the real owners of the corporation are.. and for a lot cheaper too! Maybe thats why most named in these hacked docs dont name Americans.. just sayin'

Maybe the tax ramifications are better in Panama?

And, again, unless they actually directly tie it to a US public official with irrefutable, damning proof, I don't really give a rat's ass about the Panama Papers. I get no say in what the politicians or celebs of other countries do.

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RE: Panama Papers - 4/18/2016 9:02:49 AM

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Aylee
John Podesta. A bundler for Hillary.

Podesta being in the Panama Papers, even if he's found to have been doing something illegal, means jack shit, really, about Clinton.
If any elected representatives that rail against off-shore tax havens are found to be using Panama as a tax haven, then that's on them to explain their hypocrisy. It's not on Hillary to explain Podesta's actions.

Why do elected representatives need to go to Panama when they have state tax havens like Delaware, Wyoming, Nevada, etc right here, not to mention Puerto Rico, all without leaving the good ole USA? You can set things up in this country so that no one knows who the real owners of the corporation are.. and for a lot cheaper too! Maybe thats why most named in these hacked docs dont name Americans.. just sayin'

Maybe the tax ramifications are better in Panama?

And, again, unless they actually directly tie it to a US public official with irrefutable, damning proof, I don't really give a rat's ass about the Panama Papers. I get no say in what the politicians or celebs of other countries do.

yeah, that attitude is probably what most Americans have about the Panama thing.. I wonder if it would be the same if it was the Cayman Islands.. i seem to remember there was a big stink about Romney's corps there when he made a run for Prez.. and i would say many/most of the Cayman accounts are owned by Americans.. but then i guess you dont need hackers to figure that out on your own.. But in reality, you dont really get any say in what politicians or celebs in this country do, even if they get bad press from it for a while.. just sayin'..

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RE: Panama Papers - 4/18/2016 5:49:09 PM

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee
John Podesta. A bundler for Hillary.

Podesta being in the Panama Papers, even if he's found to have been doing something illegal, means jack shit, really, about Clinton.
If any elected representatives that rail against off-shore tax havens are found to be using Panama as a tax haven, then that's on them to explain their hypocrisy. It's not on Hillary to explain Podesta's actions.

Why do elected representatives need to go to Panama when they have state tax havens like Delaware, Wyoming, Nevada, etc right here, not to mention Puerto Rico, all without leaving the good ole USA? You can set things up in this country so that no one knows who the real owners of the corporation are.. and for a lot cheaper too! Maybe thats why most named in these hacked docs dont name Americans.. just sayin'

Maybe the tax ramifications are better in Panama?
And, again, unless they actually directly tie it to a US public official with irrefutable, damning proof, I don't really give a rat's ass about the Panama Papers. I get no say in what the politicians or celebs of other countries do.

yeah, that attitude is probably what most Americans have about the Panama thing.. I wonder if it would be the same if it was the Cayman Islands.. i seem to remember there was a big stink about Romney's corps there when he made a run for Prez.. and i would say many/most of the Cayman accounts are owned by Americans.. but then i guess you dont need hackers to figure that out on your own.. But in reality, you dont really get any say in what politicians or celebs in this country do, even if they get bad press from it for a while.. just sayin'..

Since I get a vote, there is something I can say about the politicians. One vote might not mean a whole lot, but it's there for me to use. Just sayin'...

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