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PeonForHer -> RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? (4/9/2016 4:09:49 PM)
quote: Does this mean I should automatically support them even if I don't believe what they are saying? How about when they discriminate against trans folks? Should I support them then also based solely on the fact that they are gay? Yea I don't think so, but if that kind of logic works for you, have at it. No, no. All I'm saying is that it would be nice, and a sort of refreshing, to see you supporting LGBT people against the right wingers who are hammering them, just very occasionally. I mean, really - what do you owe those right wingers, and why do they deserve so much of your unstinting loyalty? That's what I don't get.

bounty44 -> RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? (4/9/2016 4:38:25 PM)
you are saying exactly what she is saying you are. she's not being "loyal" to right wingers. she's being consistent with her social political worldviews that just happen to trump sexual orientation and it seems to me she explained that pretty well. and I don't see any "hammering" going on at all. no ones condemning gays, criticizing them, making their activities illegal, etc. this has been hinted at---pushback is occurring because they themselves have been pushing. if anyone getting hammered here, its Christians of a particular conscience. you either support their freedom, or youre another liberal proponent (how ironic the contradiction of terms) of an authoritarian state.

kdsub -> RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? (4/9/2016 6:07:03 PM)
quote: For the last fucking time: Ok you got your last say and here is mine.... Facts... Gay goes to therapist... therapist says I will not treat you... therapist denied this gay treatment... this is discrimination, wrong and against his oath... therapist says I'll find another therapist that will treat you... makes no difference the gay was still denied treatment. Now... you would not accept what I said until I delivered a link to the actual bill... How about extening me the same by posting a link to a passage in the Christian Bible that says it is against Gods word to treat the illness of a homosexual. Butch

PeonForHer -> RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? (4/9/2016 6:18:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 you are saying exactly what she is saying you are. No, I'm not. Thishereboi almost never sees what anti-right-wingers are saying, and this case isn't an exception. quote: she's not being "loyal" to right wingers. she's being consistent with her social political worldviews that just happen to trump sexual orientation and it seems to me she explained that pretty well. She's being utterly loyal to the right wing, as always. Her social political worldview is right wing - and that always trumps sexual orientation, for her. She's never explained why that trumps sexual orientation, either; all I can tell is that it always, always does. quote: quote: and I don't see any "hammering" going on at all. no ones condemning gays, criticizing them, making their activities illegal, etc. They are, Bounty. Seriously, how can you say this - of the Christian Right in the deep south of the USA, of all places? quote: "if anyone getting hammered here, its Christians of a particular conscience. you either support their freedom, or youre another liberal proponent (how ironic the contradiction of terms) of an authoritarian state. Utter crap. These aren't Christians of 'a particular conscience'. They're just nasty, prejudiced little arses who want to carry on being nasty, prejudiced and arsey, and are bleating and whining about not being able to do so. That is, they want to be authoritarian, as they've been so, so used to being, for so long, and now feel their privilege being eroded ... hence their whinnying in dismay. Honestly, Bounty. It's seriously pathetic to try to swing it all around so that you now claim that it's such 'Christians' are being persecuted. As for the 'authoritarianism' of those who are against these 'Christians' - nup. I'd suggest you google that term 'authoritarianism'. Of all the terms that might, even possibly, be in their armory - that one, most of all, is not there for them. Right wing Christians have invoked the Bible as their authority for centuries in support of their rich array of hatreds, despite the Bible's manifest wooliness on all those hatreds. But this hasn't stopped them. Right wing Christians know that they're 'right', and that has always been that, for them. That's what authoritarianism really is: 'knowing' that you 'have authority' on a given matter. It's a pisspoor piece of work to try to pin that nasty term 'authoritarianism' on 'lefties' who are against this loathsome sort of law. It's like a pot calling a whole factory full of kettles 'black'.

Nnanji -> RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? (4/9/2016 6:18:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: For the last fucking time: Ok you got your last say and here is mine.... Facts... Gay goes to therapist... therapist says I will not treat you... therapist denied this gay treatment... this is discrimination, wrong and against his oath... therapist says I'll find another therapist that will treat you... makes no difference the gay was still denied treatment. Now... you would not accept what I said until I delivered a link to the actual bill... How about extening me the same by posting a link to a passage in the Christian Bible that says it is against Gods word to treat the illness of a homosexual. Butch I think you're stretching things. A) you started this discussion with a Podunk town with one grocery store and no other services. Podunk doesn't have therapists. B) any qualified therapist will tell you that you have to go to a therapist who agrees with your system. Say, for instance, you grew up in Japan, went to school in Japan, trained as a therapist in Japan, you would not be qualified to treat a redneck white boy from the south who has anger issues because it's a bad NASCAR season. In this case, your profession would require you to suggest someone else to the redneck. It's common. It's not racist, homophobic, or sexist.

thompsonx -> RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? (4/9/2016 6:26:10 PM)
ORIGINAL: Nnanji I think you're stretching things. A) you started this discussion with a Podunk town with one grocery store and no other services. Podunk doesn't have therapists. How do you know this B) any qualified therapist will tell you that you have to go to a therapist who agrees with your system. Roflmfao Say, for instance, you grew up in Japan, went to school in Japan, trained as a therapist in Japan, you would not be qualified to treat a redneck white boy from the south who has anger issues because it's a bad NASCAR season. Neurosis and psycohosis are different for japanese and anglos? Would you have a cite for that from somehwere besides your ass? In this case, your profession would require you to suggest someone else to the redneck. It's common. It's not racist, homophobic, or sexist. Only in your doggy brain.

kdsub -> RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? (4/9/2016 6:29:27 PM)
Nanaji there is no exaggeration in the potential for discrimination. All of these laws will be challenged in court. If they are upheld then there will be no legal recourse to stop the examples I used. If a therapist can deny medical care...and a baker can deny services... there will be no legal reason ANY business can not deny services because of religious beliefs. There is no reason for it to stop with gays and Christian beliefs...There are many different religions in this country and they will have the same rights to deny service. Can you not see where this is just wrong and worthy of exaggeration. Butch

lovmuffin -> RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? (4/9/2016 6:30:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer The whimpering and whining ones here are the bakers who don't want to make a cake. They're the ones who want to make a convenient platform to squeal about their nasty prejudices, all under the guise of pious religious belief. That's funny, all this time I thought it was the gay couple, the left wing media and the state of Oregon doing all the whimpering and whining. I don't recall the cake baker's as being all sanctimonious about it and blowing it into a high profile issue. quote: ORIGINAL: The Right has been policing thought for centuries now, and most especially in the deep south of the USA. More than that, they've been policing actions too - and love, and marriage, and much else. They've been stuffing people's personal lives with their nasty, ugly views for time immemorial, in fact. The reality of what's happening now is that they're noticing that their entitlement to do so is being eroded over the long term. I guess I never really thought about it until now but if you go back a couple of centuries, how would you define the right and left ? Religious whack jobs spazzin out over their perception of some freaking sin is nothing new. It makes me wonder how I managed make it to my ripe old age of salty old fart without jumping off a cliff. I still don't understand the logic. Why should a cake baker be forced to bake a cake for a type of celebration that is against his religious beliefs ? No one is harmed unless someone drops dead from all the whiney left wing hysteria. You wanna call it nasty and ugly ? I call it, who gives a fuck. How are they stuffing people's lives ? If ya don't like their views than fuck 'em, and don't try to associate with them. Better yet, fuck their young daughters when they reach the age of consent. That'll show 'em. You lefties are making a big deal over nothing. quote: ORIGINAL: Balls, again. It's the Christians, here, who are bleating 'victimhood'. Well, the looney-rightie Christians, anyway. They need to stop whimpering about the fact that Descartes was born and that the Enlightenment took off. They don't get to ram their ludicrous, unpleasant jiggery-pokery down everyone's throats as much, any more. Well, tough. They'll get used to it. You don't have to be a looney-rightie Christian to see that getting your ass run out of business and fined $135,000 by the state over such a trivial matter, the Christian baker's are the victims in this. To say that this gay couple are victims is absurd beyond the galactical boundary. What ??? Did their frail little hearts give out for walking a few blocks to another bakery ? Did the local newspaper ridicule them on the front page for trying to buy a cake ? It's actually the left ramming their ludicrous, unpleasant jiggery-pokery down everyone's throats. This is why you have these stupid ass bills* cropping up in various places and I'm sure they'll be cropping up a whole lot more. So tough, you'll get used to it. * I only say stupid ass bills because they shouldn't be necessary seeing as we supposedly have religious freedom, freedom to associate and all that. quote: ORIGINAL: Sorry ... Muslims? I hadn't realised that this law focused on Muslims. Actually, from what I've read, the law doesn't mention Muslims at all. How does this come into the mix? What, actually, are you talking about here, Awareness? I'm not sure why he mentions Muslems but I'm guessing their religion takes a dim view on gays and adulterers too. Those guys in some countries even hang gays and stone adulterers to death. Why don't you go over to Iran to bitch and whine about that ? quote: ORIGINAL: God you're a tiresome propagandising windbag. The social justice warriors here are the cretinous right wing Christians who want to carry on squeezing their pimples and barking about how Jesus wanted them to kick around gays and lesbians. Nobody's going to carry on caring about silly little farts like that for very long. I'm only surprised why you consider their opinions to be so crucial. Why is that? Seriously - why do you care what fuckwitted farts like that think - This is priceless, a classic case of pot to kettle. You're the tiresome propagandising windbag (well maybe not tiresome, I enjoy reading your stuff). It's ironic though how you propagated that in the name of God. I could change the words to "cretinous left wing libtards", and " how Obama wants them to kick around Christians" , then read the paragraph back at ya. And another thing, stop sayin shit about my guns !! I'm very brittle you know. I might fall apart and have a nervous breakdown. If that happins, I'll sue the whole Gawd Damn British Empire !!!!!

kdsub -> RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? (4/9/2016 6:36:01 PM)
I challenge anyone on these boards to show me any passage in the Christian Bible that says it is against Gods word to provide treatment to the Gay ill and infirm or provide nourishment to homosexuals. If you cannot show me then you have no basis for denial for religious reasons... That only leaves discrimination. Butch

Lucylastic -> RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? (4/9/2016 6:43:26 PM)
Didnt some of you folks live thru the hiv/aids stuff in the 80s and 90s? Did you sleep thru it?

thompsonx -> RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? (4/9/2016 6:58:02 PM)
ORIGINAL: lovmuffin I still don't understand the logic. Why should a cake baker be forced to bake a cake for a type of celebration that is against his religious beliefs ? The civil rights act of 1964 stopped assholes from discriminating against race, color, religion, sex, or national origin.. Now assholes have found an unprotected class and want to focus their hate there. Your grip on your white male priviledge seems to be slipping through your fingers and it burns your ass like a flame. Who will you hate when lbgt become a protected class?

lovmuffin -> RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? (4/9/2016 7:30:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 you are saying exactly what she is saying you are. she's not being "loyal" to right wingers. she's being consistent with her social political worldviews that just happen to trump sexual orientation and it seems to me she explained that pretty well. and I don't see any "hammering" going on at all. no ones condemning gays, criticizing them, making their activities illegal, etc. this has been hinted at---pushback is occurring because they themselves have been pushing. if anyone getting hammered here, its Christians of a particular conscience. you either support their freedom, or youre another liberal proponent (how ironic the contradiction of terms) of an authoritarian state. I was thinking other than some minor annoyance or something, that maybe she doesn't perceive anything genuinely harmful. Let's face it, there are few here on this Web site that would pass the sanctimonious holier than thou religious smell test. In fact, it wouldn't be a big surprise to me that many of these holy rollers couldn't pass the test either.

ifmaz -> RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? (4/9/2016 7:49:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer ... Utter crap. These aren't Christians of 'a particular conscience'. They're just nasty, prejudiced little arses who want to carry on being nasty, prejudiced and arsey, and are bleating and whining about not being able to do so. That is, they want to be authoritarian, as they've been so, so used to being, for so long, and now feel their privilege being eroded ... hence their whinnying in dismay. Honestly, Bounty. It's seriously pathetic to try to swing it all around so that you now claim that it's such 'Christians' are being persecuted. As for the 'authoritarianism' of those who are against these 'Christians' - nup. I'd suggest you google that term 'authoritarianism'. Of all the terms that might, even possibly, be in their armory - that one, most of all, is not there for them. Right wing Christians have invoked the Bible as their authority for centuries in support of their rich array of hatreds, despite the Bible's manifest wooliness on all those hatreds. But this hasn't stopped them. Right wing Christians know that they're 'right', and that has always been that, for them. That's what authoritarianism really is: 'knowing' that you 'have authority' on a given matter. It's a pisspoor piece of work to try to pin that nasty term 'authoritarianism' on 'lefties' who are against this loathsome sort of law. It's like a pot calling a whole factory full of kettles 'black'. By eliminating these sorts of bills, does that not pave way for a gay-owned bakery to be forced to create a cake for the Westboro Baptist Church that says "death to all gays" or whatever their chosen slogan is? Would it not also 'force' Jewish bakeries to bake pro-Nazi cakes? Could the KKK force a black-owned business to create cakes depicting lynchings? Would a Muslim bakery be forced to make a cake made of bacon? While I agree discrimination is wrong (and rather stupid), I disagree that businesses should be forced to provide services for people. By making it known that a business (lawfully) discriminates, customers can vote with their wallets as to whether or not they wish to give said business their money, letting the market decide what it will tolerate. If a government forces businesses to provide services for everyone, is that not also a form of authoritarianism?

dcnovice -> RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? (4/9/2016 8:52:54 PM)
FR quote: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? Two thoughts: (1) Aren't the last two words redundant? (2) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqASSN5S2CI

dcnovice -> RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? (4/9/2016 9:02:29 PM)
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vincentML -> RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? (4/9/2016 9:04:08 PM)
@ifmaz quote: By eliminating these sorts of bills, does that not pave way for a gay-owned bakery to be forced to create a cake for the Westboro Baptist Church that says "death to all gays" or whatever their chosen slogan is? Would it not also 'force' Jewish bakeries to bake pro-Nazi cakes? Could the KKK force a black-owned business to create cakes depicting lynchings? Would a Muslim bakery be forced to make a cake made of bacon? Shamefully dissembling is what you are doing. The principle issue raised by these laws is religious conscience. There is nothing in our Constitution that guarantees religious conscience. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof " The key word is "exercise." We're talkin about exercise here. When you convert religious conscience into exercise you are exercising discrimination, not religion. You simply cannot hide that by making up shit about religious conscience, which is not a constitutional issue. When you open a business you depend on the police to protect your property rights. You depend on the roads and sidewalks to bring customers to you. You depend on public utilities to maintain the town in which you seek to make a living. All of that is provided by the taxes everybody pays. LBGT folks work, own property, and pay taxes so you can run your business in an orderly civic environment. So, yes, since everybody supports your store you damn well have a duty to serve everybody.

dcnovice -> RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? (4/9/2016 9:07:59 PM)
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dcnovice -> RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? (4/9/2016 9:18:45 PM)
quote: By eliminating these sorts of bills, does that not pave way for a gay-owned bakery to be forced to create a cake for the Westboro Baptist Church that says "death to all gays" or whatever their chosen slogan is? Would it not also 'force' Jewish bakeries to bake pro-Nazi cakes? Could the KKK force a black-owned business to create cakes depicting lynchings? Would a Muslim bakery be forced to make a cake made of bacon? So many thorny questions . . . Could an internet-service provider refuse access to content that offends its religious sensibilities? Could a Quaker shopping center owner refuse to rent space to a gun merchant? Can a Muslim cabbie refuse to carry passengers who are toting alcohol? (I believe that's a real-life example.) Could a restaurateur who believes that the body is a temple of the Holy Spirit refuse to serve dessert to an overweight lady? Can a pharmacist refuse to sell condoms to unmarried customers? Can a landlord refuse to rent to an unmarried couple? To a mixed-race couple?

dcnovice -> RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? (4/9/2016 9:21:23 PM)
And this one is definitely rooted in reality: Can a school board with fundamentalist Christians in the majority demand science textbooks that omit evolution?

dcnovice -> RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? (4/9/2016 9:46:05 PM)
quote: It's seriously pathetic to try to swing it all around so that you now claim that it's such 'Christians' are being persecuted. The persecution/martyrdom complex of right-wing Christians in the U.S. is truly one of the wonders of the modern world. These are folks who can't distinguish between Roman centurions and Target clerks who say "Happy Holidays!"

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