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Moreover, as I see it, the people in New York are living in the belly of the beast, enjoying lives of obscene wealth, unlimited opulence, immense political and financial power (ex. Wall Street, Banking, Mafia, Media HQ). In essence, the people in that city are the proximate cause of all this poverty and misery, and yet, all they ever do is ridicule and shit on the rest of the country. They don't care. If they did, they would do far more to fix the source of the problem - which is much closer to New York than Mississippi, Arizona, or any other place in the country they like to scorn and deride.
I understand the temptation to blame the evil Babylon on the Hudson for all the South's ills, but I think you're overlooking some key points:
It's not just in the South, but it could be seen as a world-wide problem, since the power of New York reaches beyond the seas. If we blame Rome for the atrocities of the Roman Empire, then we must blame New York for the atrocities of the American Empire. They're the ones who hold all the money, power, and influence. They're the ones who make the choices that the rest of the world has to live with.
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-- NYC is incredibly economically diverse. Yes, there are some stratosphere-high rollers, but there are also immigrants toiling to build better lives for their kids, recent graduates living on ramen in fifth-floor walk-ups as they try to break into publishing or the arts, project dwellers, middle-class families trying to keep up with the costs of living, retirees whose ability to live independently hinges on rent-controlled apartments they've inhabited for decades, and more.
I know that, but that just proves my point even more. Even in their own city, there are people struggling, yet do they care? Maybe if people didn't have to spend $2000 a month to live a shoebox, it might not be so bad. We're talking about a city that has been run by organized crime since the 19th century. Indeed, it has been the center of organized crime.
All this talk about "safe spaces" and wedding cakes. It's like they're arguing over dessert in front of people who have had no dinner. Even if I agree that their position is correct in principle, it seems that the timing is wrong. The priorities are screwed up.
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-- Mississippi, one of the reddest of all states, "cashes in with $3.07 in federal funding for every dollar paid in income taxes" (WSJ). Blue New York, in contrast, receives less than a dollar (Atlantic).
True, although I don't think this is relevant to the point I was addressing. All this statistic confirms is that Mississippi is poorer than New York and therefore needs more funding. But we both knew that already. But all this trash talk about the South from New Yorkers doesn't exactly help matters much. All I see is a bunch of rich people in ivory towers adding insult to injury and rubbing more salt in the wound, while patting themselves on the back at how "progressive" they are. Fuck 'em. I don't see things in terms of "red state" or "blue state." I see areas which are incredibly rich and areas which are incredibly poor, and I note a cause-and-effect relationship between this disparity.
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-- It's hardly New York's fault that many slave-state governors chose to refuse Medicaid funds that could have alleviated suffering among their populations (http://familiesusa.org/product/50-state-look-medicaid-expansion).
We haven't had any slave states since 1865. Don't get me wrong. They did deserve the shit-kicking they got back then. But again, I think this is moving away from the subject at hand.
I would wonder how state governors can actually block something like Medicaid funding. It's a Federal program, so why can't people just apply directly to the Federal government?
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-- New York has the same number of senators--two--as any other state in the Union. So don't blame the Empire State for a Senate that seems far more intent on blocking a qualified Supreme Court nominee than working to solve constituents' problems.
Oh, come on. I respect your views, but please don't insult me by feeding me this kind of sophistry. New York exerts far more power and influence than merely two senators.
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-- Devoting legislative focus to potty passes and the horrors of baking cakes for homosexuals rather than addressing the hard realities of "abject poverty and misery" was a choice made in red state capitals, not NYC.
Yes, but the networks and news services are mostly in NYC, not in the red state capitals. Why are the feeding the rest of the country "safe spaces" and "political correctness" when they should be getting up Wall Street's ass? They're supposed to be liberals and progressives, aren't they? Or at least, that's what they say. That's what they want everyone to think. But I think they're lying.
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