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He was but there is a leftist myth that he cooperated with his captors.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
He was but there is a leftist myth that he cooperated with his captors.

I guess every man will break after being tortured eventually.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

He was but there is a leftist myth that he cooperated with his captors.


Well there is published evidence in his own book about said treason. So it is hardly a myth left or right.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


He was but there is a leftist myth that he cooperated with his captors.


Well there is published evidence in his own book about said treason. So it is hardly a myth left or right.

BS

You can shout and stamp your foot all you choose. If you are too phoquing lazy to read his book then that would be your choice.

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Well there is published evidence in his own book about said treason. So it is hardly a myth left or right.

BS

You can shout and stamp your foot all you choose. If you are too phoquing lazy to read his book then that would be your choice.


You made the claim, prove it.

I just did dumbass. It is in his book where he talks of the interviews he gave to cuban journalist.

And you, yes even you, must understand the diferrence between breaking (even if that happened) and treason.
Also, do you have case stuies on every POW proving that nobody else broke?

There are no published interviews with any other inmates of the hanoi hilton except 'ace mccain's'

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
ORIGINAL: thompsonx


Well there is published evidence in his own book about said treason. So it is hardly a myth left or right.

BS

You can shout and stamp your foot all you choose. If you are too phoquing lazy to read his book then that would be your choice.


You made the claim, prove it.

I just did dumbass. It is in his book where he talks of the interviews he gave to cuban journalist.

And you, yes even you, must understand the diferrence between breaking (even if that happened) and treason.
Also, do you have case stuies on every POW proving that nobody else broke?

There are no published interviews with any other inmates of the hanoi hilton except 'ace mccain's'



No you didn't, you just repeated your claim.

Are you too lazy to read his book? It's title is faith of my fathers"

Where does he say he cooperated?

Read his book...or get a grown up to help you with the big words.

And you have blasted your claim that no one else was tourtured into giving up information,

I have not said a word about torture. I have only spoken about 'ace mccain' and his treason.


particularly after Hanoi Jane busted their cover stories.

What are you babbling about?

You have provided no cite, just your desire to smear a veteran,

Not just a veteran but a scumbag treasonous piece of shit.


which in spite of your alleged military background and the supposed Godhood of your alleged relative who by your own words wanted us to leave Hitler unchecked,

Perhap you might want to read up on smedley...his book is called "war is a racket". He is also the guy who ratted off the punks who were planning to kidnap fdr. That you will find in the congressional record, where he testified to congress. He was a vet, with two moh and a brevet medal. If you don't know what a brevet medal is

"For distinguished conduct and public service in the presence of the enemy July 13, 1900, during the Boxer Rebellion". One of three to receive both the Brevet Medal and the Medal of Honor. One of nineteen to receive the Medal of Honor twice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_Corps_Brevet_Medal


you seem to do to all vets not related to you and not sharing your sick view of the world.

Pogue

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You have proven your word is useless with your bragging about "playing people" for 400 posts . You lied for 400 posts and thought that proved that you were better than others.

What it proved is that you and the other chairborn rangers don't know shit about firearms.


I have read up on Smedly. If we had followed his advice we would never have confronted Hitler.

Amerika did not do didly squat against hitler. Russia whipped his ass before amerika was even in the war.
Read and learn a little something before you run your mouth about shit of which you have no clue.


He seems very anti military.

Wow...33 years in the suck, and two moh and a brevet,and you a punk e5 mp call him a pogue...
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

Further there is zero, repeat zero evidence that you are in any way related to him other than your word which as many have pointed out is worthless.

When pogues, bullshitters and chairborn rangers denigrate me I take it as high praise....loosers rubbing their sore butts after having me spank them purple.

And your belief in his crackpot ideas does nothing to help your credibility.


Sure thing sargent e5 with a welfare cheque made possible by hillary's husband.

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You have proven your word is useless with your bragging about "playing people" for 400 posts . You lied for 400 posts and thought that proved that you were better than others.

What it proved is that you and the other chairborn rangers don't know shit about firearms.


I have read up on Smedly. If we had followed his advice we would never have confronted Hitler.

Amerika did not do didly squat against hitler. Russia whipped his ass before amerika was even in the war.
Read and learn a little something before you run your mouth about shit of which you have no clue.


He seems very anti military.

Wow...33 years in the suck, and two moh and a brevet,and you a punk e5 mp call him a pogue...
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

Further there is zero, repeat zero evidence that you are in any way related to him other than your word which as many have pointed out is worthless.

When pogues, bullshitters and chairborn rangers denigrate me I take it as high praise....loosers rubbing their sore butts after having me spank them purple.

And your belief in his crackpot ideas does nothing to help your credibility.


Sure thing sargent e5 with a welfare cheque made possible by hillary's husband.

So you are both a liar and an idiot.
Tell the families of the thousands of Americans killed fighting the Nazis that they did nothing.
Did you know that the Brits and Americans captured more Germans in Tunisia than the Russians did in Stalingrad?
Did you know that one of the biggest advantages the Brits had at Alimain was the American made M4 tank.
Did you know that the Russians considered the convoyes into Arkanglisk were essential in keeping them in the war?
Did you know that a military retirement is not welfare.
With "the military is a racket" outlook we would have had to unilaterally disarm.
Do you really believe that we would have been better off if the Russians without help "liberated" all of Europe.
And still there is not one shred of evidence other than your worthless claim that you are in any way related to that man who must have had a head injury while getting his medals.
You are a liar, and a fraud, and to stupid to realize that you have proclaimed your great pride in being such.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
ORIGINAL: thompsonx


You have proven your word is useless with your bragging about "playing people" for 400 posts . You lied for 400 posts and thought that proved that you were better than others.

What it proved is that you and the other chairborn rangers don't know shit about firearms.


I have read up on Smedly. If we had followed his advice we would never have confronted Hitler.

Amerika did not do didly squat against hitler. Russia whipped his ass before amerika was even in the war.
Read and learn a little something before you run your mouth about shit of which you have no clue.


He seems very anti military.

Wow...33 years in the suck, and two moh and a brevet,and you a punk e5 mp call him a pogue...
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

Further there is zero, repeat zero evidence that you are in any way related to him other than your word which as many have pointed out is worthless.

When pogues, bullshitters and chairborn rangers denigrate me I take it as high praise....loosers rubbing their sore butts after having me spank them purple.

And your belief in his crackpot ideas does nothing to help your credibility.


Sure thing sargent e5 with a welfare cheque made possible by hillary's husband.

So you are both a liar and an idiot.
Tell the families of the thousands of Americans killed fighting the Nazis that they did nothing.
Did you know that the Brits and Americans captured more Germans in Tunisia than the Russians did in Stalingrad?
Did you know that one of the biggest advantages the Brits had at Alimain was the American made M4 tank.
Did you know that the Russians considered the convoyes into Arkanglisk were essential in keeping them in the war?
Did you know that a military retirement is not welfare.
With "the military is a racket" outlook we would have had to unilaterally disarm.
Do you really believe that we would have been better off if the Russians without help "liberated" all of Europe.
And still there is not one shred of evidence other than your worthless claim that you are in any way related to that man who must have had a head injury while getting his medals.
You are a liar, and a fraud, and to stupid to realize that you have proclaimed your great pride in being such.

Look we've debated long enough about America's contribution to the destruction of Nazi Germany and it was a tremendous contribution. From 41 on. Without US assistance to Russia, they wouldn't have been nearly as successful in going west.

$11.3 billion in 1941 ($150 billion today) including food, oil, and materiel between 1941 and August 1945. This also included warships and warplanes, along with other weaponry.

More: logistical supplies (including motor vehicles and railroad equipment) were of enormous assistance. The USSR was highly dependent on rail transportation, but the war practically shut down rail equipment production. Just 446 locomotives were produced during the war,[23] with only 92 of those being built between 1942 and 1945. [The US] provided 2,000 locomotives and 11,000 railcars, supplied under Lend-Lease, augmenting the existing stock of over 25,000 locomotives and half a million railcars. Likewise, the Soviet air force received 18,700 aircraft, which amounted to about 14% of Soviet wartime aircraft production (19% for military aircraft).

Although most Red Army tank units were equipped with Soviet-built tanks, their logistical support was provided by hundreds of thousands of U.S.-made trucks. Indeed, by 1945 nearly a third of the truck strength of the Red Army was U.S.-built. Trucks such as the Dodge 3/4 ton and Studebaker 2½ ton were easily the best trucks available in their class on either side on the Eastern Front. American shipments of telephone cable, aluminum, canned rations, and clothing were also critical.

The first major bombing sortie over Berlin was almost 900 planes 1/2 mile wide, 2 miles long and they bombed Berlin for over 30 minutes non-stop. If any German generals didn't think the war was lost before that raid...they new it after.

Enough already on how the US didn't help the USSR defeat Germany.

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Look we've debated long enough about America's contribution to the destruction of Nazi Germany and it was a tremendous contribution. From 41 on. Without US assistance to Russia, they wouldn't have been nearly as successful in going west.

Amerikas help was usefull but not critical. The majority of the lend lease came in 1944 onward after the "heavy lifting" had been done

$11.3 billion in 1941 ($150 billion today) including food, oil, and materiel between 1941 and August 1945.

Primarily from 44 onward.

This also included warships and warplanes, along with other weaponry.

Yes the p40 was a real winner.
http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/articles/romanenko/p-40/

More: logistical supplies (including motor vehicles and railroad equipment) were of enormous assistance. The USSR was highly dependent on rail transportation, but the war practically shut down rail equipment production. Just 446 locomotives were produced during the war,[23] with only 92 of those being built between 1942 and 1945. [The US] provided 2,000 locomotives and 11,000 railcars, supplied under Lend-Lease, augmenting the existing stock of over 25,000 locomotives and half a million railcars. Likewise, the Soviet air force received 18,700 aircraft, which amounted to about 14% of Soviet wartime aircraft production (19% for military aircraft).

Although most Red Army tank units were equipped with Soviet-built tanks, their logistical support was provided by hundreds of thousands of U.S.-made trucks. Indeed, by 1945 nearly a third of the truck strength of the Red Army was U.S.-built. Trucks such as the Dodge 3/4 ton and Studebaker 2½ ton were easily the best trucks available in their class on either side on the Eastern Front. American shipments of telephone cable, aluminum, canned rations, and clothing were also critical.

The first major bombing sortie over Berlin was almost 900 planes 1/2 mile wide, 2 miles long and they bombed Berlin for over 30 minutes non-stop. If any German generals didn't think the war was lost before that raid...they new it after.

The german generals knew it was over after the battle of moscow before amerika was even in the war. The germans filled up a quarter of a million body bags at the battle of moscow and another 90,000 as georgie chased their asses out of town.

Enough already on how the US didn't help the USSR defeat Germany.

I did not say amerika did not help...I said it was not critical.