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RE: Obama admits Libya was his biggest mistake - 4/11/2016 10:19:17 PM   
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Here is a link to the cia's copy of 'ace mccains' chat with the "commies"

http://cryptome.info/cia-mccain-pow/cia-mccain-pow.htm

Have you hacked the cia data base or is this another of your wacko sources.

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RE: Obama admits Libya was his biggest mistake - 4/11/2016 11:24:44 PM   
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Obama's biggest mistake, was also America's.

(It happened in November, 2007).


So you would prefer Romney ?



I would have preferred Anderson in 1980, Perot in 1988, Gore in 2000 (because he won, not because I voted for him), Ron Paul in 2008 and Kasich in 2016.

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RE: Obama admits Libya was his biggest mistake - 4/11/2016 11:26:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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Obama's biggest mistake, was also America's.

(It happened in November, 2007).


So you would prefer Romney ?

Remember what I said back then ? Neither candidate should be allowed to run a gas station, one would ggive awayy the gas and the other would sell the pumps. You know what Romney does for a living ? Takes fucking borrowed money to buy running businesses with employees and liquidates them. He would have sold Mt. Rushmore.

His repugnance to normal, at least half intelligent people is what put Obama in that chair. And McCain before him.

Why did the republicans want to lose ? Because they know the big financial crash is coming and they do not want to preside over it.

But I am stating to think they're stupid. Now they could have Trump and let him wear it. Not really IN the party they could say. And if the democrats are fucking dumb enough to run Hillary, he might just win. But he'll never beat Sanders. But they do not want Sanders because even though he is a Jew, he won't lick Israel's asshole.

In the next few months, this may shape up to be a very interesting election. The most likely to get the popular votes are Sanders and Trump, and neither of the parties like them. But see the primaries are not a legal thing. Really, 100 % of republicans could vote for Trump and 100 % of the democrats could vote for Sander but the ticket could still be Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton.

NOW do you see the fucking problem ?

T^T

The election was in 2008, and the opponent was McCain.
Didn't like McCain but he was better than Obama.
Wasn't that crazy about Rommney either but again a lesser evil than Obama.


The election was in 2007, the taking of office was on January 20, 2008.

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RE: Obama admits Libya was his biggest mistake - 4/12/2016 4:15:52 AM   
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Here is a link to the cia's copy of 'ace mccains' chat with the "commies"

http://cryptome.info/cia-mccain-pow/cia-mccain-pow.htm

Have you hacked the cia data base or is this another of your wacko sources.

Googe doesn't work on your computer?

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RE: Obama admits Libya was his biggest mistake - 4/12/2016 4:21:33 AM   
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No you said the Russians had beaten them before we ever got envolved.

Yup...the russians beat them and beat them decisively at moscow thus shattering the myth of german invincibility. The germans lost more men at moscow than amerika lost in the whole war on all fronts. From there on out it was one ass whuppin after another until the russians used berlin for a shithouse.

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RE: Obama admits Libya was his biggest mistake - 4/12/2016 5:06:29 AM   
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No you said the Russians had beaten them before we ever got envolved.

Yup...the russians beat them and beat them decisively at moscow thus shattering the myth of german invincibility. The germans lost more men at moscow than amerika lost in the whole war on all fronts. From there on out it was one ass whuppin after another until the russians used berlin for a shithouse.

Of course as I read this, your whole line of reasoning is faulty. To hold on to Moscow your own major city in your country and 1800 miles from Berlin, is not beating anybody...decisively at all. It is to survive to fight another day. Plus there is the Russian winter and the Nazi's abysmal failure to account for it. Yes, it was the first majpr defeat of the German Army but much of it caused by their own incompetence. See below.

So how did they do it ? With US help which provided:

58% of the USSR's high octane aviation fuel
33% of their motor vehicles
53% of expended ordinance (artillery shells, mines, assorted explosives)
30% of military aircraft
93% of railroad equipment (locomotives, freight cars, wide gauge rails, etc.)
50-80% of rolled steel, cable, lead, and aluminium
43% of garage facilities (building materials & blueprints)
12% of tanks and SPGs

The front line combat units of new Red Army no longer had to rely on obsolete Russian trucks or horse drawn wagons for transport, nor slog on foot through mud and snow. They now rode into battle on vast numbers of lend-lease American Studebaker trucks. The German HQ was frequently stunned by the rapid mobility of the Red Army’s combat units. And yes, this was spring of 1942 when America was no longer a neutral.

Furthermore, if it wasn't for operation Overlord, the Russians would have had a real struggle to move on, some historians believe that without the above material and German arrogance, the Russian troops were mere cannon fodder.

Operation Bagration saw 300,000 to 500,000 German losses with 800,000 Russian loses. Plus, even with the 'new' Russian army and its confident generals, they were never the fighting force that the Wehrmacht was. HERE

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RE: Obama admits Libya was his biggest mistake - 4/12/2016 5:08:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or


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ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix

Obama's biggest mistake, was also America's.

(It happened in November, 2007).


So you would prefer Romney ?

Remember what I said back then ? Neither candidate should be allowed to run a gas station, one would ggive awayy the gas and the other would sell the pumps. You know what Romney does for a living ? Takes fucking borrowed money to buy running businesses with employees and liquidates them. He would have sold Mt. Rushmore.

His repugnance to normal, at least half intelligent people is what put Obama in that chair. And McCain before him.

Why did the republicans want to lose ? Because they know the big financial crash is coming and they do not want to preside over it.

But I am stating to think they're stupid. Now they could have Trump and let him wear it. Not really IN the party they could say. And if the democrats are fucking dumb enough to run Hillary, he might just win. But he'll never beat Sanders. But they do not want Sanders because even though he is a Jew, he won't lick Israel's asshole.

In the next few months, this may shape up to be a very interesting election. The most likely to get the popular votes are Sanders and Trump, and neither of the parties like them. But see the primaries are not a legal thing. Really, 100 % of republicans could vote for Trump and 100 % of the democrats could vote for Sander but the ticket could still be Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton.

NOW do you see the fucking problem ?

T^T

The election was in 2008, and the opponent was McCain.
Didn't like McCain but he was better than Obama.
Wasn't that crazy about Rommney either but again a lesser evil than Obama.


The election was in 2007, the taking of office was on January 20, 2008.

No, it was a year later in fact.

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RE: Obama admits Libya was his biggest mistake - 4/12/2016 5:14:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD
ORIGINAL: thompsonx


You have proven your word is useless with your bragging about "playing people" for 400 posts . You lied for 400 posts and thought that proved that you were better than others.

What it proved is that you and the other chairborn rangers don't know shit about firearms.


I have read up on Smedly. If we had followed his advice we would never have confronted Hitler.

Amerika did not do didly squat against hitler. Russia whipped his ass before amerika was even in the war.
Read and learn a little something before you run your mouth about shit of which you have no clue.



He seems very anti military.

Wow...33 years in the suck, and two moh and a brevet,and you a punk e5 mp call him a pogue...
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.


Further there is zero, repeat zero evidence that you are in any way related to him other than your word which as many have pointed out is worthless.

When pogues, bullshitters and chairborn rangers denigrate me I take it as high praise....loosers rubbing their sore butts after having me spank them purple.

And your belief in his crackpot ideas does nothing to help your credibility.


Sure thing sargent e5 with a welfare cheque made possible by hillary's husband.


So you are both a liar and an idiot.
Tell the families of the thousands of Americans killed fighting the Nazis that they did nothing.
Did you know that the Brits and Americans captured more Germans in Tunisia than the Russians did in Stalingrad?
Did you know that one of the biggest advantages the Brits had at Alimain was the American made M4 tank.
Did you know that the Russians considered the convoyes into Arkanglisk were essential in keeping them in the war?
Did you know that a military retirement is not welfare.
With "the military is a racket" outlook we would have had to unilaterally disarm.
Do you really believe that we would have been better off if the Russians without help "liberated" all of Europe.
And still there is not one shred of evidence other than your worthless claim that you are in any way related to that man who must have had a head injury while getting his medals.
You are a liar, and a fraud, and to stupid to realize that you have proclaimed your great pride in being such.

Look we've debated long enough about America's contribution to the destruction of Nazi Germany and it was a tremendous contribution. From 41 on. Without US assistance to Russia, they wouldn't have been nearly as successful in going west.

$11.3 billion in 1941 ($150 billion today) including food, oil, and materiel between 1941 and August 1945. This also included warships and warplanes, along with other weaponry.

More: logistical supplies (including motor vehicles and railroad equipment) were of enormous assistance. The USSR was highly dependent on rail transportation, but the war practically shut down rail equipment production. Just 446 locomotives were produced during the war,[23] with only 92 of those being built between 1942 and 1945. [The US] provided 2,000 locomotives and 11,000 railcars, supplied under Lend-Lease, augmenting the existing stock of over 25,000 locomotives and half a million railcars. Likewise, the Soviet air force received 18,700 aircraft, which amounted to about 14% of Soviet wartime aircraft production (19% for military aircraft).

Although most Red Army tank units were equipped with Soviet-built tanks, their logistical support was provided by hundreds of thousands of U.S.-made trucks. Indeed, by 1945 nearly a third of the truck strength of the Red Army was U.S.-built. Trucks such as the Dodge 3/4 ton and Studebaker 2½ ton were easily the best trucks available in their class on either side on the Eastern Front. American shipments of telephone cable, aluminum, canned rations, and clothing were also critical.

The first major bombing sortie over Berlin was almost 900 planes 1/2 mile wide, 2 miles long and they bombed Berlin for over 30 minutes non-stop. If any German generals didn't think the war was lost before that raid...they new it after.

Enough already on how the US didn't help the USSR defeat Germany.

Your entire post, while correct, should have been aimed at Thompson, not me.
I was saying pretty much the same thing you did.

Actually I thought I was quoting his quote. I was mistaken.

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RE: Obama admits Libya was his biggest mistake - 4/12/2016 6:01:29 AM   
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President Obama: Libya aftermath 'worst mistake' of presidency

Slippernotes firstly - and I know it tingles most women's secret parts when I do those first, and causes many men to think strange thoughts and peek on ebay for a dress and implants.

How far back in time shall we go dear readers observe.
1. I am a Scottish for arguments sake let me do a generic I am B, nope cant do it, my ancestors were British and we invaded 66% of the known world for the Empire.
2. Of my 46 years of age on earth will take me back too world 1 I think, or the latter bits of the carnage and certainly world war two - a mere blink of the eye ago
3. And who can forget America x indigenous population of the fuk you go from our map, the witch burnings, the crusades,Alexander the great, the 300, 4 packet of doughnuts i scoffed in 3 days, Korean war, the Vietnam war, the Falklands war.. Iraq, Sebia, Armenia fenocides by trukey keep up.to name a few of the well known war for we are civilised folk are we not and for the record the Romans never conquered Scotland
4. taking World war 1 and 2 out of the equation for every war I mentioned, most of you will have heard off, there are a factor of 10-100 more and genocides have still be going on this last century and who doesn't like some good olde ethnic cleansing carnage and mayhem
5. I have lost count of the Muppet puppets America has tried to install the last 100 years and when did it ever work out.

As for bits of Africa, middle east bits and bobs of Russia and china they have been going at it time immemorial and will continue to do so

I am not sure how i could apologise for the death of 250 000 (what does that number even mean), is it in Syria now, or the displacement of 12 million people from one war - better the devil you know than leave thousands of tribes bashing each others brains in with shovels, knobkerries since antiquity

What is an apology?
Does it show that I was wrong and people will love me for admitting I am fallible at times and i tried my best and what harm was there in that
Or does it really mean I am monster

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RE: Obama admits Libya was his biggest mistake - 4/12/2016 6:21:55 AM   
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President Obama: Libya aftermath 'worst mistake' of presidency

Slippernotes firstly - and I know it tingles most women's secret parts when I do those first, and causes many men to think strange thoughts and peek on ebay for a dress and implants.

How far back in time shall we go dear readers observe.
1. I am a Scottish for arguments sake let me do a generic I am B, nope cant do it, my ancestors were British and we invaded 66% of the known world for the Empire.
2. Of my 46 years of age on earth will take me back too world 1 I think, or the latter bits of the carnage and certainly world war two - a mere blink of the eye ago
3. And who can forget America x indigenous population of the fuk you go from our map, the witch burnings, the crusades,Alexander the great, the 300, 4 packet of doughnuts i scoffed in 3 days, Korean war, the Vietnam war, the Falklands war.. Iraq, Sebia, Armenia fenocides by trukey keep up.to name a few of the well known war for we are civilised folk are we not and for the record the Romans never conquered Scotland
4. taking World war 1 and 2 out of the equation for every war I mentioned, most of you will have heard off, there are a factor of 10-100 more and genocides have still be going on this last century and who doesn't like some good olde ethnic cleansing carnage and mayhem
5. I have lost count of the Muppet puppets America has tried to install the last 100 years and when did it ever work out.

As for bits of Africa, middle east bits and bobs of Russia and china they have been going at it time immemorial and will continue to do so

I am not sure how i could apologise for the death of 250 000 (what does that number even mean), is it in Syria now, or the displacement of 12 million people from one war - better the devil you know than leave thousands of tribes bashing each others brains in with shovels, knobkerries since antiquity

What is an apology?
Does it show that I was wrong and people will love me for admitting I am fallible at times and i tried my best and what harm was there in that
Or does it really mean I am monster

Well like good ole Caty says, fuck one horse and you're a horse fucker for all eternity...no matter 'cides' she may have committed.

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RE: Obama admits Libya was his biggest mistake - 4/12/2016 6:34:03 AM   
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Please mrrodgers my name in bold/italic no need to quote it takes up space and re re re re read time

I do not get the reference buckrodgers caty fuked a horse?
or monster is monster or is it generic man

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RE: Obama admits Libya was his biggest mistake - 4/12/2016 6:49:45 AM   
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No you said the Russians had beaten them before we ever got envolved.

Yup...the russians beat them and beat them decisively at moscow thus shattering the myth of german invincibility. The germans lost more men at moscow than amerika lost in the whole war on all fronts. From there on out it was one ass whuppin after another until the russians used berlin for a shithouse.


Of course as I read this, your whole line of reasoning is faulty. To hold on to Moscow your own major city in your country and 1800 miles from Berlin,

You are mistaken it is only about 1000 miles. The invasion of russia did not start from berlin but from the eastern polish boarder which is only about 500 miles.


is not beating anybody...decisively at all. It is to survive to fight another day.

Filling up 340,000 body bags with germans is "surviving to fight another day"...common dude that is not even in the same ballpark with rational.
It was an ass whuppin' of the first order which caused hitler to sack over 100 of his generals.



Plus there is the Russian winter and the Nazi's abysmal failure to account for it.

It would seem obvious that the russians were fighting in the same snow.

Yes, it was the first majpr defeat of the German Army but much of it caused by their own incompetence. See below.


In the first 60 days of the war the germans had lost 60,000 men. That is 1000 per day and they had only got as far as smolinsk.

So how did they do it ? With US help which provided:

58% of the USSR's high octane aviation fuel
33% of their motor vehicles
53% of expended ordinance (artillery shells, mines, assorted explosives)
30% of military aircraft
93% of railroad equipment (locomotives, freight cars, wide gauge rails, etc.)
50-80% of rolled steel, cable, lead, and aluminium
43% of garage facilities (building materials & blueprints)
12% of tanks and SPGs

Lend lease was extended to the russians in november of 1941. The amerikan supplies to russia before that date were purchased with gold.
http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/articles/romanenko/p-40/

The front line combat units of new Red Army no longer had to rely on obsolete Russian trucks or horse drawn wagons for transport, nor slog on foot through mud and snow. They now rode into battle on vast numbers of lend-lease American Studebaker trucks. The German HQ was frequently stunned by the rapid mobility of the Red Army’s combat units. And yes, this was spring of 1942 when America was no longer a neutral.

If you could you show how much lend lease material appeared in russia by the year, you would notice that the majority came in 44 and 45.

Furthermore, if it wasn't for operation Overlord, the Russians would have had a real struggle to move on,

The battles of moscow,stalingrad and kursk were all before overlord. The russians had taken the measure of the germans and were rolling them up. Compare the order of battle in western europe vs. the russian front.

some historians believe that without the above material and German arrogance, the Russian troops were mere cannon fodder.

Those would be historians with their head up their ass.

Operation Bagration saw 300,000 to 500,000 German losses with 800,000 Russian loses. Plus, even with the 'new' Russian army and its confident generals, they were never the fighting force that the Wehrmacht was. HERE

I am unclear as to your point. The germans lost even though they were better?
Common dude...george foreman lost to ali but foreman was a better fighter?????
The germans went to an ass kicking contest barefoot.

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RE: Obama admits Libya was his biggest mistake - 4/12/2016 7:19:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix

Obama's biggest mistake, was also America's.

(It happened in November, 2007).


So you would prefer Romney ?

Remember what I said back then ? Neither candidate should be allowed to run a gas station, one would ggive awayy the gas and the other would sell the pumps. You know what Romney does for a living ? Takes fucking borrowed money to buy running businesses with employees and liquidates them. He would have sold Mt. Rushmore.

His repugnance to normal, at least half intelligent people is what put Obama in that chair. And McCain before him.

Why did the republicans want to lose ? Because they know the big financial crash is coming and they do not want to preside over it.

But I am stating to think they're stupid. Now they could have Trump and let him wear it. Not really IN the party they could say. And if the democrats are fucking dumb enough to run Hillary, he might just win. But he'll never beat Sanders. But they do not want Sanders because even though he is a Jew, he won't lick Israel's asshole.

In the next few months, this may shape up to be a very interesting election. The most likely to get the popular votes are Sanders and Trump, and neither of the parties like them. But see the primaries are not a legal thing. Really, 100 % of republicans could vote for Trump and 100 % of the democrats could vote for Sander but the ticket could still be Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton.

NOW do you see the fucking problem ?

T^T

The election was in 2008, and the opponent was McCain.
Didn't like McCain but he was better than Obama.
Wasn't that crazy about Rommney either but again a lesser evil than Obama.


The election was in 2007, the taking of office was on January 20, 2008.

The election was in 2008, took office in 2009, presidential elections come in leap years.

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RE: Obama admits Libya was his biggest mistake - 4/12/2016 7:21:27 AM   
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You have proven your word is useless with your bragging about "playing people" for 400 posts . You lied for 400 posts and thought that proved that you were better than others.

What it proved is that you and the other chairborn rangers don't know shit about firearms.


I have read up on Smedly. If we had followed his advice we would never have confronted Hitler.

Amerika did not do didly squat against hitler. Russia whipped his ass before amerika was even in the war.
Read and learn a little something before you run your mouth about shit of which you have no clue.



He seems very anti military.

Wow...33 years in the suck, and two moh and a brevet,and you a punk e5 mp call him a pogue...
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.


Further there is zero, repeat zero evidence that you are in any way related to him other than your word which as many have pointed out is worthless.

When pogues, bullshitters and chairborn rangers denigrate me I take it as high praise....loosers rubbing their sore butts after having me spank them purple.

And your belief in his crackpot ideas does nothing to help your credibility.


Sure thing sargent e5 with a welfare cheque made possible by hillary's husband.


So you are both a liar and an idiot.
Tell the families of the thousands of Americans killed fighting the Nazis that they did nothing.
Did you know that the Brits and Americans captured more Germans in Tunisia than the Russians did in Stalingrad?
Did you know that one of the biggest advantages the Brits had at Alimain was the American made M4 tank.
Did you know that the Russians considered the convoyes into Arkanglisk were essential in keeping them in the war?
Did you know that a military retirement is not welfare.
With "the military is a racket" outlook we would have had to unilaterally disarm.
Do you really believe that we would have been better off if the Russians without help "liberated" all of Europe.
And still there is not one shred of evidence other than your worthless claim that you are in any way related to that man who must have had a head injury while getting his medals.
You are a liar, and a fraud, and to stupid to realize that you have proclaimed your great pride in being such.

Look we've debated long enough about America's contribution to the destruction of Nazi Germany and it was a tremendous contribution. From 41 on. Without US assistance to Russia, they wouldn't have been nearly as successful in going west.

$11.3 billion in 1941 ($150 billion today) including food, oil, and materiel between 1941 and August 1945. This also included warships and warplanes, along with other weaponry.

More: logistical supplies (including motor vehicles and railroad equipment) were of enormous assistance. The USSR was highly dependent on rail transportation, but the war practically shut down rail equipment production. Just 446 locomotives were produced during the war,[23] with only 92 of those being built between 1942 and 1945. [The US] provided 2,000 locomotives and 11,000 railcars, supplied under Lend-Lease, augmenting the existing stock of over 25,000 locomotives and half a million railcars. Likewise, the Soviet air force received 18,700 aircraft, which amounted to about 14% of Soviet wartime aircraft production (19% for military aircraft).

Although most Red Army tank units were equipped with Soviet-built tanks, their logistical support was provided by hundreds of thousands of U.S.-made trucks. Indeed, by 1945 nearly a third of the truck strength of the Red Army was U.S.-built. Trucks such as the Dodge 3/4 ton and Studebaker 2½ ton were easily the best trucks available in their class on either side on the Eastern Front. American shipments of telephone cable, aluminum, canned rations, and clothing were also critical.

The first major bombing sortie over Berlin was almost 900 planes 1/2 mile wide, 2 miles long and they bombed Berlin for over 30 minutes non-stop. If any German generals didn't think the war was lost before that raid...they new it after.

Enough already on how the US didn't help the USSR defeat Germany.

Your entire post, while correct, should have been aimed at Thompson, not me.
I was saying pretty much the same thing you did.

Actually I thought I was quoting his quote. I was mistaken.

NP

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RE: Obama admits Libya was his biggest mistake - 4/12/2016 11:36:54 AM   
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Obama's biggest mistake, was also America's.

(It happened in November, 2007).


So you would prefer Romney ?



I would have preferred Anderson in 1980, Perot in 1988, Gore in 2000 (because he won, not because I voted for him), Ron Paul in 2008 and Kasich in 2016.


There are still quite a few people who think Gore won. I actually get a kick out of that. Here, in the U.S. we have the electoral college that elects presidents. Whether you liked him or not, Bush won the electoral college. Keep in mind that, for instance, Bush did not campaign once in California because he knew he'd never win any electoral college votes there. So why waste the time and money. But, had pure vote count been the criteria for a win, there would have been a lot of places Bush could have mined enough votes to win that way.

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RE: Obama admits Libya was his biggest mistake - 4/12/2016 11:58:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix

Obama's biggest mistake, was also America's.

(It happened in November, 2007).


So you would prefer Romney ?



I would have preferred Anderson in 1980, Perot in 1988, Gore in 2000 (because he won, not because I voted for him), Ron Paul in 2008 and Kasich in 2016.


There are still quite a few people who think Gore won. I actually get a kick out of that. Here, in the U.S. we have the electoral college that elects presidents. Whether you liked him or not, Bush won the electoral college. Keep in mind that, for instance, Bush did not campaign once in California because he knew he'd never win any electoral college votes there. So why waste the time and money. But, had pure vote count been the criteria for a win, there would have been a lot of places Bush could have mined enough votes to win that way.

Most people forget that neighter Bush nor Gore got a majority of the vote.
Or that you have to go to hundredths of a percentage point to get Gores possible lead.
If it had been on a purly popular vote we would still be recounting.

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RE: Obama admits Libya was his biggest mistake - 4/12/2016 12:30:27 PM   
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and for the record the Romans never conquered Scotland


And for the record, the scots and scotland never approached a unified existence while the romans were in a position to conquer the area.

It wasn't the scots that occupied caledonia at the time - it was the picts. Such as the pict nation of Circinn. And the romans did receive subjugation from all tribes when they circumscribed caledonia et. al. Not that those agreements were worth the feasts and speeches they were "written" on.

Regardless, certainly "half" of "scotland" was south of Hadrian's wall, and certainly more was subjugated for the c90 year period of Antonine's wall.


Although there were raiding tribes (angus) as early as the 400's .. scotland itself didn't form until the 9th century. So Rome couldn't bloody well conquer Scotland now could they, since they were 500 years removed in time from when rome left c.410.

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RE: Obama admits Libya was his biggest mistake - 4/12/2016 12:48:27 PM   
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Common dude...george foreman lost to ali but foreman was a better fighter?????
The germans went to an ass kicking contest barefoot.


You kind of miss the point - that lend lease, and before that sales to Russia hardly constitutes even a significant portion of US contribution to WWII.

The US being at war with Japan allowed Stalin to take more than a million men reserved for the war against japan - and move them against the germans.
Us fights in italy, africa, and normandy made a two front war a reality for Germany, diverting men and resources that would have been used against russia. Had the US not entered the war, Russia would have lost. Period.

No, Russia had not whooped Germany singlehandedly. Stalin had a getaway train prepared, and entertained suing for peace, in october '41 when the battle for moscow began. Stalin decided to stay and fight. But the decision not to seek a separate peace wasn't made until well into 1942/43
http://www.archive.org/stream/MastnystalinAndProspectsOfSeparatePeaceInWorld/Mastny--StalinAndProspectsOfSeparatePeaceInWorldWarIi_djvu.txt

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RE: Obama admits Libya was his biggest mistake - 4/12/2016 1:32:25 PM   
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You kind of miss the point - that lend lease, and before that sales to Russia hardly constitutes even a significant portion of US contribution to WWII.


Well that is part of what I said. I said amerika's lend lease was minimal and that the amerikan military was modest in it's contribution to the destruction of germany or japan.

The US being at war with Japan allowed Stalin to take more than a million men reserved for the war against japan - and move them against the germans.

Wrong...the japs and russia had a non agression pact which allowed the japs not to worry about the russians and vice versa.



Us fights in italy, africa, and normandy made a two front war a reality for Germany,

How disingenuous of you.
How many troops did the axis have in africa?
How many troops did the axis have in italy? Which happened after africa was over.
Normandy is years later.
So how many troops are you talking about?
Hitler was in russia with about 4 million so what percentage of that were diverted?




diverting men and resources that would have been used against russia. Had the US not entered the war, Russia would have lost. Period.

You have shown no evidence of this.

No, Russia had not whooped Germany singlehandedly. Stalin had a getaway train prepared, and entertained suing for peace, in october '41

Your cite points out that they have only speculation and no evidence to support that opinion.


when the battle for moscow began. Stalin decided to stay and fight. But the decision not to seek a separate peace wasn't made until well into 1942/43

Hitler wrote in his book that the extermination of the russians was his goal. Stalin had surely read this. So just how would this "seperate peace" work? Would the russians have to extermnate themselves or just show up for the gas chambers or what not?




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RE: Obama admits Libya was his biggest mistake - 4/12/2016 2:05:24 PM   
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Obama's biggest mistake, was also America's.

(It happened in November, 2007).


So you would prefer Romney ?

Remember what I said back then ? Neither candidate should be allowed to run a gas station, one would ggive awayy the gas and the other would sell the pumps. You know what Romney does for a living ? Takes fucking borrowed money to buy running businesses with employees and liquidates them. He would have sold Mt. Rushmore.

His repugnance to normal, at least half intelligent people is what put Obama in that chair. And McCain before him.

Why did the republicans want to lose ? Because they know the big financial crash is coming and they do not want to preside over it.

But I am stating to think they're stupid. Now they could have Trump and let him wear it. Not really IN the party they could say. And if the democrats are fucking dumb enough to run Hillary, he might just win. But he'll never beat Sanders. But they do not want Sanders because even though he is a Jew, he won't lick Israel's asshole.

In the next few months, this may shape up to be a very interesting election. The most likely to get the popular votes are Sanders and Trump, and neither of the parties like them. But see the primaries are not a legal thing. Really, 100 % of republicans could vote for Trump and 100 % of the democrats could vote for Sander but the ticket could still be Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton.

NOW do you see the fucking problem ?

T^T

The election was in 2008, and the opponent was McCain.
Didn't like McCain but he was better than Obama.
Wasn't that crazy about Rommney either but again a lesser evil than Obama.


The election was in 2007, the taking of office was on January 20, 2008.

No, it was a year later in fact.


YOU are CORRECT Suh!!!!

I stand DOWN!

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