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Phydeaux -> RE: Generation Gap (4/16/2016 6:40:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 in principal, im in general agreement. I know on the whole though, students, at least many students of today, would complain vociferously about something like that and unfortunately, the administration would back them up. once in a lab I gave the students all the apparatus they needed in order to find the answer to a particular question---and wanted them to figure it out based on the tools at hand. eventually they did, but in the meantime there was a lot of angst directed at me with "why don't you teach us??" being first and foremost. I bet you would have liked it---figuring out center of gravity on a human body with two doctor office scales and a long plank. Great job. Piece of cake to solve tho. Lie the plank so either end rests on the scales. Calibrate to zero. Lie the person on the plank. The ratio of weights projected along the plank is the center of gravity of the person.

bounty44 -> RE: Generation Gap (4/16/2016 6:57:27 AM)
what we ended up doing was identifying the midpoint of the plank and then moving the body in one direction or the other until the weight on each of the scales was the same. the common point between the midpoint of the plank and where the body touches it is the point in question. the students knew prior to going in that the center of gravity is the imaginary spot around which our weight is balanced. I had also had given them clues to think about the teetor-totters we play on in parks. I think the main thing though being---they were frustrated, at least some of them, by being given a problem to solve without directly being shown how or our very specifically not having gone over what was in front of them. the differences in student desires and teacher approaches are fascinating---and an endless source of contention.

Zonie63 -> RE: Generation Gap (4/16/2016 8:34:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 what we ended up doing was identifying the midpoint of the plank and then moving the body in one direction or the other until the weight on each of the scales was the same. the common point between the midpoint of the plank and where the body touches it is the point in question. the students knew prior to going in that the center of gravity is the imaginary spot around which our weight is balanced. I had also had given them clues to think about the teetor-totters we play on in parks. I think the main thing though being---they were frustrated, at least some of them, by being given a problem to solve without directly being shown how or our very specifically not having gone over what was in front of them. the differences in student desires and teacher approaches are fascinating---and an endless source of contention. Just out of curiosity, was this like a first-day "icebreaker" type exercise, or was it something where the basic subject was already being discussed in previous classes? I only ask this, since I remember times when instructors would engage the class in various activities and projects which sometimes seemed pointless. It wasn't that I wanted to be spoon-fed anything. On the contrary, I often felt it was either done as a form of entertainment so the students wouldn't get bored or a way of dumbing-down the lessons. Or it was just a way to kill time. I'm not saying that about you, but I can understand where some kids might get resistant in situations like this. Some teachers do things like that. Some teachers are just plain fucking crazy. I've generally been a pretty fast learner; I pick up things easily. But when I look back on my K-12 years, I think to myself: I could have learned all that in half the time if so much class time wasn't wasted on crap. I especially hated the first few years of school. I didn't want to do things like coloring or painting or having to sit quietly while the teacher reads a story. Or "nap time." I actually wanted to learn; I was a sponge for knowledge, and having to do all this other stuff was aggravating. I think there's something to be said for some of the trends towards accelerated learning, where the entire focus is on the subjects related to a specific degree program. A person can be completely immersed in that acquire the necessary knowledge to prepare them for their career of choice. In theory, I can recognize the benefit of taking elective, unrelated courses and the view that college should make one a "well-rounded person," but a lot of the traditions and philosophies behind higher education were formulated at a time when only a small percentage of the population actually went to college. It was designed to make them into refined "ladies" and "gentlemen" of substance and strong moral fiber. We live in a far more specialized society than we once did, and I believe education should also become more specialized and not a "one size fits all" philosophy. It's generally pretty clear by a certain age where a child's talents lie and what areas they have a stronger aptitude, as well as what their weaker subjects might be. It seems like such a waste of resources to force a kid to suffer through a subject that they have no aptitude for, they're never going to use it in their career, and they're never going to be good at it anyway. For me, it was art class - which was a required subject from K-8. Most of the other kids thought it was "fun," but for me, it was a pointless exercise in humiliation and torture. I remember a few kids on the verge of tears because they just couldn't get it, with the teacher getting impatient and upset at them. And it was just over a fucking art project, not some important subject like math or history. I remember getting dressed down by an elementary school art teacher who reminded me of how expensive these materials were that I just "wasted." I felt like saying "Look, lady, I didn't ask to take this fucking class." I would have just as soon gone down to the library and learned something useful than to have to put up with this silly useless shit. I still have a vivid memory of my kindergarten teacher yelling and shaking this one poor kid because he couldn't do this one particular art project.

bounty44 -> RE: Generation Gap (4/16/2016 10:59:27 AM)
no, we were well into the semester of a small biomechanics class of juniors and seniors, all of whom knew each other and had been in class with me multiple times before. quote: In theory, I can recognize the benefit of taking elective, unrelated courses and the view that college should make one a "well-rounded person.." that's another large, but often unspoken bone of contention between students, faculty and administration---those who see college as liberal education and those who see it more along the lines of job training.

dcnovice -> RE: Generation Gap (4/16/2016 12:01:18 PM)
quote: You had tents? [:)]

tj444 -> RE: Generation Gap (4/16/2016 8:01:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marini quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: Marini This generation is sitting back, and not fighting for much of anything. The older baby boomers believed in taking it to the streets. This generation is just sitting back and watching the country decline. taking it to the streets??? yeah, Operation Wall Street did what, exactly? absolutely nothing.. I participated in one protest walk back when i was in college and half way thru I realized that the cops & govt could be taking pics and getting info on everyone there (& that was in Canada, mind you).. that was the first and last time i did anything like that.. its much worse today, now they have facial recognition, surveillance cameras everywhere, they can read your email, try to hack your computer, access your bank & credit card accounts, etc etc.. Once you get on their "watch list", there is no getting off it.. The govt labeled OWSers "domestic terrorists" ffs.. why? to label peaceful protestors as "terrorists" is despicable.. Anyone that takes to the streets or shows any anti-govt sentiments/actions is putting themselves at risk.. especially in the US where the politicians are bought and paid for by wall streeters, banksters and big corporations.. I am afraid taking it to the streets/protesting doesnt do anything today, not like it may have decades ago when the deck wasnt stacked against people like it is now.. What exactly do you expect this generation to do that will actually accomplish anything? I don't disagree with all the government surveillance and the fact big brother could make protesters lives hell. Does that mean we give up the peaceful protest option? We must always "take it" and deal with it, no matter what or how bad it gets? If that is the new world, than its pretty much game over to real Liberty. Thanks I think the biggest "protesters" & heros are the whistleblowers, many who have given up their Liberty (pretty much entirely) such as Snowden, Assange, etc for what they believe in, doing what they think is right.. the ones that have some sorta "freedom" are those whistleblowers that remain anonymous, whether they act alone or with other whistleblowers to expose corruption, whitewashing, lies, fraud, propaganda, rip-offs, injustices, cover-ups, human trafficking, etc perpetrated by the govt, military, financial institutions, big pharma, letter agencies, big corps, etc.. Yeah, I know some of y'all dont think Snowden or Assange are heros but I do as their motives were to expose wrongdoing, govt BS, etc.. so the US govt didnt like the light shone on what they do.. too bad, boo hoo.. if the govt cant stand the heat then dont do this shite! http://www.politico.com/gallery/2013/08/10-famous-infamous-whistleblowers-001083?slide=0 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_whistleblowers

Zonie63 -> RE: Generation Gap (4/16/2016 8:25:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 I think the biggest "protesters" & heros are the whistleblowers, many who have given up their Liberty (pretty much entirely) such as Snowden, Assange, etc for what they believe in, doing what they think is right.. the ones that have some sorta "freedom" are those whistleblowers that remain anonymous, whether they act alone or with other whistleblowers to expose corruption, whitewashing, lies, fraud, propaganda, rip-offs, injustices, cover-ups, human trafficking, etc perpetrated by the govt, military, financial institutions, big pharma, letter agencies, big corps, etc.. Yeah, I know some of y'all dont think Snowden or Assange are heros but I do as their motives were to expose wrongdoing, govt BS, etc.. so the US govt didnt like the light shone on what they do.. too bad, boo hoo.. if the govt cant stand the heat then dont do this shite! I agree completely with you here, although on the subject of whistleblowers, Snowden, government cover-ups, etc., I've also noticed some generational changes taking place. Public attitudes towards certain schools of thought commonly referred to today as "conspiracy theory" were quite different back in the 60s and 70s than they are today. Over the past couple of decades, I've noticed a more concerted (and sometimes) zealous effort on the part of some to lambaste and ridicule conspiracy theories. It seemed to begin around the same time that Oliver Stone's film JFK was released, prompting a rather active counter-response from those who supported the "lone nut" theory that Oswald acted alone and that there was absolutely, positively no conspiracy whatsoever. I've noticed a certain personality type which abounds on some of the conspiracy message boards whom some even believe are government shills. Subsequently, anyone who posits a "conspiracy theory" which paints the US government in a bad light can expect a response from this certain type of personality who tends to use cheap tactics and falls into a predictable pattern of attack.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Generation Gap (4/16/2016 9:33:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tkman117 Maybe the reason why my generation isn't as "active" as you seem to believe, is because we're too busy stressing over university debt and trying to find a decent paying job to barely start a life, of which there are considerably less than in the past. Can't find a decent paying job? Start a business and pay yourself what you consider "decent" for what you do. Businesses aren't started to "create jobs." No one owes anyone else a job. quote: And let's not forget Occupy wall street, which while it was a completely failed effort, it was huge at the time. How was that not raising hell? It might have failed, but it showed a massive discontent among millennia's toward the corruption and continued fraud of the banks. Don't forget all those clowns that joined OWS to protest because there wasn't a job waiting for them after graduation. They blamed Wall Street and the banks for there not being jobs for them. Unless Wall Street and/or a bank promised a job to a student, there is nothing requiring them to offer employment to anyone. I maintain that OWS's target was the wrong target. You're not going to stop Wall Street from buying the government it wants by appealing to Wall Street, or protesting Wall Street. The only way you're going to end the Wall Street - Government link is to prevent Government from being buyable. You want to make a"decent wage?" You have two real choices. You can start your own business and decide what the wages are. Or, you can go to work for someone else and provide enough productivity that your employer would consider worth your "decent" wage. If someone offered you your dream job and offered to pay you double what you would happily work for, would you decline the extra money?

DesideriScuri -> RE: Generation Gap (4/16/2016 9:40:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: I lived most of my school years in florida, in row housing with no AC. You had housing?! We had to live in tents. In the snow. In our bare feet. You had tents? And feet!!

Tkman117 -> RE: Generation Gap (4/16/2016 11:01:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Tkman117 Maybe the reason why my generation isn't as "active" as you seem to believe, is because we're too busy stressing over university debt and trying to find a decent paying job to barely start a life, of which there are considerably less than in the past. Can't find a decent paying job? Start a business and pay yourself what you consider "decent" for what you do. Businesses aren't started to "create jobs." No one owes anyone else a job. quote: And let's not forget Occupy wall street, which while it was a completely failed effort, it was huge at the time. How was that not raising hell? It might have failed, but it showed a massive discontent among millennia's toward the corruption and continued fraud of the banks. Don't forget all those clowns that joined OWS to protest because there wasn't a job waiting for them after graduation. They blamed Wall Street and the banks for there not being jobs for them. Unless Wall Street and/or a bank promised a job to a student, there is nothing requiring them to offer employment to anyone. I maintain that OWS's target was the wrong target. You're not going to stop Wall Street from buying the government it wants by appealing to Wall Street, or protesting Wall Street. The only way you're going to end the Wall Street - Government link is to prevent Government from being buyable. You want to make a"decent wage?" You have two real choices. You can start your own business and decide what the wages are. Or, you can go to work for someone else and provide enough productivity that your employer would consider worth your "decent" wage. If someone offered you your dream job and offered to pay you double what you would happily work for, would you decline the extra money? You do realize you need money to make money right? No one is going to give a fresh out of university kid with 30-100k in debt a loan to start a business. Plus post secondary these days more or less gives us the foundation we need to start off in the industry, which means that we gain a lot of our knowledge about the industry by working in it. While I have no problem starting a business further down the road, that's not in the cards for 99% of students, especially in my field. Get your head out of your ass, this isn't the 1950s, the same standards back then simply do not apply to today. Like I said to Fido, spend a day as a millennial and you'll be singing a different tune, because you have no idea what it is like for us trying to navigate a proverbial minefield the previous generations left behind for us.

thishereboi -> RE: Generation Gap (4/17/2016 3:54:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tkman117 quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Tkman117 Maybe the reason why my generation isn't as "active" as you seem to believe, is because we're too busy stressing over university debt and trying to find a decent paying job to barely start a life, of which there are considerably less than in the past. Can't find a decent paying job? Start a business and pay yourself what you consider "decent" for what you do. Businesses aren't started to "create jobs." No one owes anyone else a job. quote: And let's not forget Occupy wall street, which while it was a completely failed effort, it was huge at the time. How was that not raising hell? It might have failed, but it showed a massive discontent among millennia's toward the corruption and continued fraud of the banks. Don't forget all those clowns that joined OWS to protest because there wasn't a job waiting for them after graduation. They blamed Wall Street and the banks for there not being jobs for them. Unless Wall Street and/or a bank promised a job to a student, there is nothing requiring them to offer employment to anyone. I maintain that OWS's target was the wrong target. You're not going to stop Wall Street from buying the government it wants by appealing to Wall Street, or protesting Wall Street. The only way you're going to end the Wall Street - Government link is to prevent Government from being buyable. You want to make a"decent wage?" You have two real choices. You can start your own business and decide what the wages are. Or, you can go to work for someone else and provide enough productivity that your employer would consider worth your "decent" wage. If someone offered you your dream job and offered to pay you double what you would happily work for, would you decline the extra money? You do realize you need money to make money right? No one is going to give a fresh out of university kid with 30-100k in debt a loan to start a business. Plus post secondary these days more or less gives us the foundation we need to start off in the industry, which means that we gain a lot of our knowledge about the industry by working in it. While I have no problem starting a business further down the road, that's not in the cards for 99% of students, especially in my field. Get your head out of your ass, this isn't the 1950s, the same standards back then simply do not apply to today. Like I said to Fido, spend a day as a millennial and you'll be singing a different tune, because you have no idea what it is like for us trying to navigate a proverbial minefield the previous generations left behind for us. Aww you poor thing. All that schooling and now you can't find a job. That must really suck. But tell me something. When you picked your field, did you first investigate it to make sure there would be jobs out there when you finished? That way you would know ahead of time if you were going to be able to pay back all the debt you were building up. I know it was the first thing I asked about when I started back. Not much point into putting all that effort into learning something if it's not going to pay the bills in the end.

Tkman117 -> RE: Generation Gap (4/17/2016 6:56:28 AM)
Lol, I'm in the science field, and compared to many other majors there technically are plenty of jobs. But news flash, every millennial is running into this problem. My ex's brother was an engineer and it took him 2-3 years to find his first engineering gig, and those are jobs that are typically the most abundant. While I agree that some majors have more job opportunities than others, I went into my program expecting there to be more jobs at the end than others, and from what I've heard it's true, there are more jobs in environmental science than other majors. But at the same time, our country hasn't exactly been supporting much in the way of green progress, and as I stated earlier many companies prefer older and more experienced people for the positions. I'll say what I said to the others, spend a day a millennial and you'll be singing a different tune, because you know shit about what we have to go through.

tj444 -> RE: Generation Gap (4/17/2016 9:12:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tkman117 Lol, I'm in the science field, and compared to many other majors there technically are plenty of jobs. But news flash, every millennial is running into this problem. My ex's brother was an engineer and it took him 2-3 years to find his first engineering gig, and those are jobs that are typically the most abundant. While I agree that some majors have more job opportunities than others, I went into my program expecting there to be more jobs at the end than others, and from what I've heard it's true, there are more jobs in environmental science than other majors. But at the same time, our country hasn't exactly been supporting much in the way of green progress, and as I stated earlier many companies prefer older and more experienced people for the positions. I'll say what I said to the others, spend a day a millennial and you'll be singing a different tune, because you know shit about what we have to go through. What about jobs outside of Canada? some young people have decided to take well paying jobs in Dubia, etc.. not the ideal i guess but if you could do that at least as a (temporary?) expat you wouldnt be paying tax to Canada (wheras American expats are still tied to the IRS no matter where they reside).. If I was a young dude it would be something I would look into, weigh the pros & cons and strongly consider..

mnottertail -> RE: Generation Gap (4/17/2016 11:25:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phydeaux quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 in principal, im in general agreement. I know on the whole though, students, at least many students of today, would complain vociferously about something like that and unfortunately, the administration would back them up. once in a lab I gave the students all the apparatus they needed in order to find the answer to a particular question---and wanted them to figure it out based on the tools at hand. eventually they did, but in the meantime there was a lot of angst directed at me with "why don't you teach us??" being first and foremost. I bet you would have liked it---figuring out center of gravity on a human body with two doctor office scales and a long plank. Great job. Piece of cake to solve tho. Lie the plank so either end rests on the scales. Calibrate to zero. Lie the person on the plank. The ratio of weights projected along the plank is the center of gravity of the person. Uh,god, I hope you two are really young boys masturbating in your mothers basements and neither of you are actually teachers. You are rotting minds with this asswipe. None of your posts have found shit other than the center of the board where weight is equally distributed. You have no fucking clue where the center of gravity on a human is from that. you walk to and stand where the scales read equal, where is that humans center of gravity, describe it anatomically from that please? post #102 is equally as dipshitted, as is your flat-world and other horseshit. You are detriments to society, and fit to teach nothing.

Tkman117 -> RE: Generation Gap (4/17/2016 11:28:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: Tkman117 Lol, I'm in the science field, and compared to many other majors there technically are plenty of jobs. But news flash, every millennial is running into this problem. My ex's brother was an engineer and it took him 2-3 years to find his first engineering gig, and those are jobs that are typically the most abundant. While I agree that some majors have more job opportunities than others, I went into my program expecting there to be more jobs at the end than others, and from what I've heard it's true, there are more jobs in environmental science than other majors. But at the same time, our country hasn't exactly been supporting much in the way of green progress, and as I stated earlier many companies prefer older and more experienced people for the positions. I'll say what I said to the others, spend a day a millennial and you'll be singing a different tune, because you know shit about what we have to go through. What about jobs outside of Canada? some young people have decided to take well paying jobs in Dubia, etc.. not the ideal i guess but if you could do that at least as a (temporary?) expat you wouldnt be paying tax to Canada (wheras American expats are still tied to the IRS no matter where they reside).. If I was a young dude it would be something I would look into, weigh the pros & cons and strongly consider.. I have applied for positions outside of the country, but the thing is that most countries prefer to take natives over foreigners, especially in Europe of Australia. Not to mention if you're talking about applying for environmental job in the middle east or Asia, chances are there won't be many out that way. These are developing countries after all, countries with weaker environmental protections and countries that profit greatly from the oil industry. Since they're developing, they depend on oil to hold up their economy and aren't as able to make changes toward more green technology as it is too expensive for them a good chunk of the time. I'm not saying that there aren't any environmental positions in those countries, but compared to western countries that are trying to move toward greener futures, they're in a much smaller minority in general.

Phydeaux -> RE: Generation Gap (4/17/2016 12:28:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: Phydeaux quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 in principal, im in general agreement. I know on the whole though, students, at least many students of today, would complain vociferously about something like that and unfortunately, the administration would back them up. once in a lab I gave the students all the apparatus they needed in order to find the answer to a particular question---and wanted them to figure it out based on the tools at hand. eventually they did, but in the meantime there was a lot of angst directed at me with "why don't you teach us??" being first and foremost. I bet you would have liked it---figuring out center of gravity on a human body with two doctor office scales and a long plank. Great job. Piece of cake to solve tho. Lie the plank so either end rests on the scales. Calibrate to zero. Lie the person on the plank. The ratio of weights projected along the plank is the center of gravity of the person. Uh,god, I hope you two are really young boys masturbating in your mothers basements and neither of you are actually teachers. You are rotting minds with this asswipe. None of your posts have found shit other than the center of the board where weight is equally distributed. You have no fucking clue where the center of gravity on a human is from that. you walk to and stand where the scales read equal, where is that humans center of gravity, describe it anatomically from that please? post #102 is equally as dipshitted, as is your flat-world and other horseshit. You are detriments to society, and fit to teach nothing. Your comment proves nothing other than you can neither read nor understand. I said lay the ends of the plank on the scale, calibrate to zero - lie a human on the plank - and the ratio of the weights projected on the length of the plank will be the center of gravity of the human. And of course, I'm correct.

Phydeaux -> RE: Generation Gap (4/17/2016 12:31:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tkman117 But at the same time, our country hasn't exactly been supporting much in the way of green progress Gee, what a surprise. It isn't adopted in the real world and you wonder why jobs are hard to find.

Nnanji -> RE: Generation Gap (4/17/2016 12:48:43 PM)
110 0∫ [sm=mistress.gif] = center of gravity

Tkman117 -> RE: Generation Gap (4/17/2016 1:14:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phydeaux quote: ORIGINAL: Tkman117 But at the same time, our country hasn't exactly been supporting much in the way of green progress Gee, what a surprise. It isn't adopted in the real world and you wonder why jobs are hard to find. Lol, we had a conservative leader for 11 years who wanted to make Canada an energy superpower by propping up the oil industry on a pedestal and funnelling money away from furthering the development of the environmental sector. Trust me, I'm jumping all over the green investments our new prime minister is implementing. Get a clue pal, if the environmental industry had half of the subsidies the oil industry did, maybe things would be a little sunnier for the environmental industry.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Generation Gap (4/17/2016 1:19:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phydeaux quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 in principal, im in general agreement. I know on the whole though, students, at least many students of today, would complain vociferously about something like that and unfortunately, the administration would back them up. once in a lab I gave the students all the apparatus they needed in order to find the answer to a particular question---and wanted them to figure it out based on the tools at hand. eventually they did, but in the meantime there was a lot of angst directed at me with "why don't you teach us??" being first and foremost. I bet you would have liked it---figuring out center of gravity on a human body with two doctor office scales and a long plank. Great job. Piece of cake to solve tho. Lie the plank so either end rests on the scales. Calibrate to zero. Lie the person on the plank. The ratio of weights projected along the plank is the center of gravity of the person. Close, but no cigar. The center of gravity or physical center of any 3 dimensional object (including humans) is a point in 3 dimensions which would commonly be expressed by its x, y and z coordinates. The above experiment only determines the z coordinate (assuming that z is the vertical axis of the human while standing) of the location of the center of gravity. This gives the location of the plane where the desired answer (a point) is located. Due to the fact that there are an infinite number of points in a plane, the answer is nowhere close to the center of gravity. Had you been telling them to locate a balance point, you would have been correct. Unfortunately, you failed 10th grade geometry while attempting to teach physics.

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