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Nnanji -> RE: Generation Gap (4/15/2016 4:30:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tkman117 quote: ORIGINAL: Phydeaux quote: ORIGINAL: Tkman117 As a millennial myself I completely agree we have our faults, too many of us are obsessed with our phones and the internet, care too much about looks and not enough about important issues and actually connecting with each other. But it's difficult to move forward in a world when there is a wall of shit in the way left behind by the earlier generations. Many of the pathways to success many baby boomers took advantage of, or the lack of roadblocks, simply dont exist for my generation. Now, thankfully for me my area of focus will involve cleaning up and managing the problem created by past generations, namely the environmental industry, so I'd like to think that this industry is going to see more expansion as the world moves toward a more greener future. But I gotto say, it sucks knowing that I will have to work twice as hard to get what my parents did at my age. I personally dont know exactly how this could be changed to give my generation a better fighting chance, all I know is what I have to do going forward to make a life for myself, and it isn't going to be as easy as the older folks claim it is. How ironic. You admit that the economic policies of this generation have made it harder for your generation. And yet, somehow cannot put 2+2 together and figure out that democrats have been in power (aka held the whitehouse) your entire voting life. And still can't figure out how things could be changed to give your generation a fighting chance. I find it funny that as an old fart you dont seem to understand that there are far reaching implications of events that have been set in motion by democrats and republicans further back than 21 years (not to mention I'm not an american moron, for nearly half my life Canada had a conservative prime minister who caused serious issues internally for our country, who we thankfully just kicked out of office). For example, Obama didn't create the power vacuum that allowed ISIS to proliferate, you can thank W for that one. Additionally, I was around and kicking when W was contributing his shit storm to the world, so I know first hand the impacts a republican president can cause. Take your partisan blinders off and get a clue, there is more complexity to this world than the left and right, both have contributed to the difficulty millennials face, and if you were willing to recognize that maybe you wouldn't behave like the right-wing fanboy you are. Really, explain that, because it doesn't seem as if you actually were around from what you've said above.

Nnanji -> RE: Generation Gap (4/15/2016 4:31:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick Not true. With the exception of alaska and the virgin islands every inch of amerika was taken at the point of a gun or the threat there of. So?

OsideGirl -> RE: Generation Gap (4/15/2016 5:07:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 I have complained in other threads about the general quality of so (too) many students in higher education. now, take those "millennial" job seekers, and back them up a year or four, and imagine those same attitudes in college. Still the weirdest one yet: Hired a guy. During the probationary 90 day period, he did about half the amount of transactions as the other agents and was pretty consistently late. At 60 days, we told him that he needed to step up his game. His response was "But, I've been here every day!" We explained that it wasn't fair to others to bear his work load by being late and not meeting the minimum number of transactions. We gave him another 60 days (30 days past the probationary period) In the end, after other agents complaining about their work load and a couple stupid decisions on his part...we decided to let him go. He showed up for work the next day because he was convinced that his termination was an April Fools Day joke. When we asked him to leave, it was a scene and he kept texting afterwards. To the point where we locked the door on the office. Then he filed a wrongful termination suit against us. He told the labor board that we had no reason to fire him, so it had to be because he was gay.

Zonie63 -> RE: Generation Gap (4/15/2016 5:53:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl I think the biggest thing I see from that generation is the reliance on technology. For the most part, it has replaced interaction with the world at large. Hell, most prefer texting over talking on the cell phone. I think the American work ethic has deteriorated pretty steadily since the 1960s, so it started long before the Millennials started entering the work force. They're merely products of the same society where their parents tried to get away with doing as little as possible while making as much as they could. There are partiers and slackers with every generation. In the cocaine-fueled 1980s, one of the more popular songs was "You Gotta Fight For Your Right To Party." We didn't have the same level of technology that we have today, but I remember we kids often got razzed as being the "TV generation," watching the "boob tube" all the time. Then there were all those video arcades, although that still required some outside social interaction (and a lot of quarters). We also loved our cars and great stereo systems. A lot of people also had walkmans with earphones to shut out the outside world. As for texting over talking, some of that may have to do with how the phone companies charge for their services. In some cases, it might be cheaper to text rather than talk, although I guess it depends on what kind of plan one has. I would also note that the youth crime rate during the 1970s and 80s was much higher than it is now. We were a bunch of terrors back then; I was there, I remember what it was like. The Millennials may not know what it was like, and few people of our generation are willing to be honest enough to tell them. Just as I mentioned upthread, we want to whitewash our own history and present ourselves as morally upstanding with a solid work ethic while we criticize the Millennials.

Marini -> RE: Generation Gap (4/15/2016 6:59:19 PM)
This generation is sitting back, and not fighting for much of anything. The older baby boomers believed in taking it to the streets. This generation is just sitting back and watching the country decline. Those born after the baby boomers are one of the first generations, that by and large will not have the jobs and opportunities that their parents huad. It is predicted most will be less well off than their parents. It's like most have given up. I also am one of the youngest baby boomers, and by and large I am saddened by the attitude of many of the young people under 35. It's like most are brainwashed, they have no backbone or interest in taking it to the street, or they just don't care. I thank GOD for the generation before me 50s and early 60s, they fought for so much {including civil rights, Vietnam, etc.}. I remember seeing all sorts of protests on the old black and white t.v. as a child. That spirit seems long gone. Where have all the flowers gone? I actually blame my generation/and generation X, because we are the parents of those under 35. We sure as hell dropped the damn ball. Peace

bounty44 -> RE: Generation Gap (4/15/2016 7:02:53 PM)
that guy could have been (hypothetically) one of my students! a number of years ago I was at a college and in one particular class, I gave the students a test bank of questions at the beginning of the semester (it amounted to about 5-7 questions per week) saying that many of the questions on the final exam will be coming from this test bank. it came down to the end of the semester and most of the students had ignored answering the questions on the test bank. some students tried to buy the answers from other students who had done the work. some students petitioned the department head to intervene in the final exam because it was "too much." not long after that, I was at an academically "elite" institution and I told the above story to some of the students there. they were aghast, saying to me, if you did that here, we'd have all of answers done in the first few weeks of the semester.

Phydeaux -> RE: Generation Gap (4/15/2016 7:14:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 that guy could have been (hypothetically) one of my students! a number of years ago I was at a college and in one particular class, I gave the students a test bank of questions at the beginning of the semester (it amounted to about 5-7 questions per week) saying that many of the questions on the final exam will be coming from this test bank. it came down to the end of the semester and most of the students had ignored answering the questions on the test bank. some students tried to buy the answers from other students who had done the work. some students petitioned the department head to intervene in the final exam because it was "too much." not long after that, I was at an academically "elite" institution and I told the above story to some of the students there. they were aghast, saying to me, if you did that here, we'd have all of answers done in the first few weeks of the semester. I remember one of my final exams. Given the Bohr model of the atom is correct, prove the universe isn't expanding. One question, 100% of your grade. Never covered in class, no partial credit.

Zonie63 -> RE: Generation Gap (4/15/2016 7:17:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marini This generation is sitting back, and not fighting. The generation before me, and the baby boomers believed in taking it to the streets. This generation is just sitting back and watching the country decline. Those born after the baby boomers are one of the first generations, that by and large will not have the jobs and opportunities that their parents had. It is predicted most will be less well off than their parents. It's like most have given up. I also am one of the youngest baby boomers, and by and large I am saddened by the attitude of many of the young people under 35. It's like most are brainwashed, they have no backbone or interest in taking it to the street, or they just don't care. I thank GOD for the generation before me 50s and early 60s, they fought for so much {including civil rights, Vietnam, etc.}. I remember seeing all sorts of protests on the old black and white t.v. as a child. That spirit seems long gone. Where have all the flowers gone? Peace I think there have been some recent protests over the past decade or so, along with various forms of political activism which were practically non-existent when I was in college in the 80s. I think the 80s is what killed everything - one of the most apathetic decades I've seen in my lifetime. When I was around 19, I read some comments from Abbie Hoffman about how he was disgusted by the college kids of the 80s, and I thought he had a point. So many College Republicans and Reagan Robots back then, even though he was a complete idiot. Hoffman criticized the apathy and the amoral ignorance in that many viewed Reagan as an image of what a president is supposed to be like, but only on a superficial, cursory level, without much in depth knowledge or understanding of current events. I would also blame (to some extent) the cult of positivity which characterized that decade, which was characterized by multi-level marketing and other "get rich quick" schemes which are more career-driven individualistic endeavors which were not conducive to more collective efforts such as protest for a common cause. Along with all that "New Age" shit that people kept going on about. "Don't worry, be happy" was the theme of that decade. The counter-culture drug of the 60s was pot, and everyone wanted peace and fellowship, but in the 80s, cocaine was the big thing - and everyone turned into complete assholes. George Carlin summed it up perfectly. I'm hopeful that the Millennials and the next generation will regain the fire in their bellies.

mnottertail -> RE: Generation Gap (4/15/2016 7:18:35 PM)
My answer, which would have been A+ would be, you cannot. There will be no observers. And it is inherent to the question a fundamental premise.

Marini -> RE: Generation Gap (4/15/2016 7:28:23 PM)
I'm sorry we can agree to disagree here. Compared to the 60s and 70s?? and how bad things are these days as we watch this country decline and get worse by the day? These young people aren't doing a damn thing. I talk to my dad who is near 80, and 50 times more militant than me, and he always asks me why my generation and those younger are not doing anything. Hell the older generation would raise hell. My dad went to Vietnam twice, go watch some 60s and early 70s protests. Again, I clearly blame my generation and generation X, for many of the apathetic/almost clueless young people. One of my favorite young people is very involved in violence against women/ and some other issues, and we are so proud of her. Caveat-- I do think when things get much worse, many people will eventually rise up. There is certainly a generation gap these days, sad to say many feel if Hitler were around these days, we probably would not have fought WW2, and I believe that. We would probably not want to get involved.

Tkman117 -> RE: Generation Gap (4/15/2016 8:13:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marini I'm sorry we can agree to disagree here. Compared to the 60s and 70s?? and how bad things are these days as we watch this country decline and get worse by the day? These young people aren't doing a damn thing. I talk to my dad who is near 80, and 50 times more militant than me, and he always asks me why my generation and those younger are not doing anything. Hell the older generation would raise hell. My dad went to Vietnam twice, go watch some 60s and early 70s protests. Again, I clearly blame my generation and generation X, for many of the apathetic/almost clueless young people. One of my favorite young people is very involved in violence against women/ and some other issues, and we are so proud of her. Caveat-- I do think when things get much worse, many people will eventually rise up. There is certainly a generation gap these days, sad to say many feel if Hitler were around these days, we probably would not have fought WW2, and I believe that. We would probably not want to get involved. Maybe the reason why my generation isn't as "active" as you seem to believe, is because we're too busy stressing over university debt and trying to find a decent paying job to barely start a life, of which there are considerably less than in the past. A lot of us don't have the luxury of taking time off to "raise hell," we don't have the time to do anything but work our asses off to make it even a fraction of the distance you people did in your generation and earlier. But make no mistake, there are a lot of young activists in my generation, but thanks to corporate media largely ignoring those kinds of protests such as the recent Democracy Spring, the message doesn't get out as much as it should. And let's not forget Occupy wall street, which while it was a completely failed effort, it was huge at the time. How was that not raising hell? It might have failed, but it showed a massive discontent among millennia's toward the corruption and continued fraud of the banks. So you can get off that high horse of saying that my generation is laying around doing nothing, because if we're not working our asses off, we are fighting to try to take the upper class down a peg and give the rest of the millennials a fighting chance at a decent life.

Marini -> RE: Generation Gap (4/15/2016 8:19:00 PM)
Great post!! Thank you for the comment. Those that can't find work {plenty of unemployed and part time workers} might have some free time.

Tkman117 -> RE: Generation Gap (4/15/2016 8:21:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marini Great post!! Thank you for the comment. Those that can't find work {plenty of those} might have some free time. Those that can't find work are looking for work, when you don't have a job looking for a job is your job. We don't just sit around waiting for the jobs to come to us, we don't have it that easy the way past generations did. Trust me, when I've had to work during the summers I've gone entire months without any work, and it sucked, and the entire time I worked to find a job. Jobs in my field are pretty abundant, but finding entry level positions isn't easy, especially when you're competing against 200+ people for 1-2 positions.

dcnovice -> RE: Generation Gap (4/15/2016 8:22:52 PM)
FR I have no doubt there are passages in the Dead Sea scrolls about how the younger generation doesn't measure up.

Marini -> RE: Generation Gap (4/15/2016 8:26:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tkman117 quote: ORIGINAL: Marini Great post!! Thank you for the comment. Those that can't find work {plenty of those} might have some free time. Those that can't find work are looking for work, when you don't have a job looking for a job is your job. We don't just sit around waiting for the jobs to come to us, we don't have it that easy the way past generations did. Trust me, when I've had to work during the summers I've gone entire months without any work, and it sucked, and the entire time I worked to find a job. Jobs in my field are pretty abundant, but finding entry level positions isn't easy, especially when you're competing against 200+ people for 1-2 positions. I totally get what you are saying. Guess what? I'm on your side. Maybe when it's 3000 for 1 job, people might consider some other actions.

Tkman117 -> RE: Generation Gap (4/15/2016 8:31:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marini quote: ORIGINAL: Tkman117 quote: ORIGINAL: Marini Great post!! Thank you for the comment. Those that can't find work {plenty of those} might have some free time. Those that can't find work are looking for work, when you don't have a job looking for a job is your job. We don't just sit around waiting for the jobs to come to us, we don't have it that easy the way past generations did. Trust me, when I've had to work during the summers I've gone entire months without any work, and it sucked, and the entire time I worked to find a job. Jobs in my field are pretty abundant, but finding entry level positions isn't easy, especially when you're competing against 200+ people for 1-2 positions. I totally get what you are saying. Guess what? I'm on your side. Maybe when it's 3000 for 1 job, people might consider some other actions. Glad to hear it, just pisses me off when older generations assume millennials are just "sitting back and watching the country decline". While things aren't nearly as bad economically in Canada as the USA, things aren't a whole lot easier for my generation up here, and as much as we want to fight back against the corruption and greed that has led to our lot having issues, a good majority of us are instead focusing on trying to start our lives and not be forced to live out of our parent's basement. But you do have a point, I think right now we're at a bit of a plateau when it comes to how much of a beating millennials are willing to take, and if things get worse you'll probably see the kind of large scale protests you're thinking of. But when so many of the older generation criticizes us and blames us for being lazy and don't take us seriously when we say that we have it harder than the older generations, it's hard to really stand up to them. As a result, the only way we can prove them wrong is by going out there and trying to start our lives as best as we can and try to prove them wrong. Will it work? For some, yeah, but not for all, and it's going to reach a tipping point eventually.

Phydeaux -> RE: Generation Gap (4/15/2016 8:34:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tkman117 quote: ORIGINAL: Marini I'm sorry we can agree to disagree here. Compared to the 60s and 70s?? and how bad things are these days as we watch this country decline and get worse by the day? These young people aren't doing a damn thing. I talk to my dad who is near 80, and 50 times more militant than me, and he always asks me why my generation and those younger are not doing anything. Hell the older generation would raise hell. My dad went to Vietnam twice, go watch some 60s and early 70s protests. Again, I clearly blame my generation and generation X, for many of the apathetic/almost clueless young people. One of my favorite young people is very involved in violence against women/ and some other issues, and we are so proud of her. Caveat-- I do think when things get much worse, many people will eventually rise up. There is certainly a generation gap these days, sad to say many feel if Hitler were around these days, we probably would not have fought WW2, and I believe that. We would probably not want to get involved. Maybe the reason why my generation isn't as "active" as you seem to believe, is because we're too busy stressing over university debt and trying to find a decent paying job to barely start a life, of which there are considerably less than in the past. A lot of us don't have the luxury of taking time off to "raise hell," we don't have the time to do anything but work our asses off to make it even a fraction of the distance you people did in your generation and earlier. But make no mistake, there are a lot of young activists in my generation, but thanks to corporate media largely ignoring those kinds of protests such as the recent Democracy Spring, the message doesn't get out as much as it should. And let's not forget Occupy wall street, which while it was a completely failed effort, it was huge at the time. How was that not raising hell? It might have failed, but it showed a massive discontent among millennia's toward the corruption and continued fraud of the banks. So you can get off that high horse of saying that my generation is laying around doing nothing, because if we're not working our asses off, we are fighting to try to take the upper class down a peg and give the rest of the millennials a fighting chance at a decent life. Sorry mate. I'm not buying. I worked 72 hours a week at 15, in a factory job. Ovens blasting, where temperatures were over 105 in the summer. I worked 112 hours a week in my first startup. I worked every quarter of my 9 years of college. I lived most of my school years in florida, in row housing with no AC. In my 30's and 40s I went 12 years without a vacation. Thats why I say your generation has no idea of what people in the older generations did. I doubt you've ever been hungry. I doubt you've ever worked a job where you lost 15 lbs in a week, or hell even gotten a blister. You live in canada, so you may not need AC -but I doubt you've ever been without heat. I never took a dime of government money to go to college. Ramen noodles were 12 for $1. You could get a 50 lb bag of rice for $5. I lived one month on $19 (food cost). In college I roomed with 4-5 other guys to split rent, renting a 2 bedroom for $80 a month, each. I couldn't afford a car - so I did without. So when I hear you complain about student loans - loans that my generation put in place to give you the option of going to school - all I hear is whining. And frankly, I think you should practice a little gratitude. You have a great deal of opportunities - but an even bigger sense of entitlement.

Tkman117 -> RE: Generation Gap (4/15/2016 8:38:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phydeaux quote: ORIGINAL: Tkman117 quote: ORIGINAL: Marini I'm sorry we can agree to disagree here. Compared to the 60s and 70s?? and how bad things are these days as we watch this country decline and get worse by the day? These young people aren't doing a damn thing. I talk to my dad who is near 80, and 50 times more militant than me, and he always asks me why my generation and those younger are not doing anything. Hell the older generation would raise hell. My dad went to Vietnam twice, go watch some 60s and early 70s protests. Again, I clearly blame my generation and generation X, for many of the apathetic/almost clueless young people. One of my favorite young people is very involved in violence against women/ and some other issues, and we are so proud of her. Caveat-- I do think when things get much worse, many people will eventually rise up. There is certainly a generation gap these days, sad to say many feel if Hitler were around these days, we probably would not have fought WW2, and I believe that. We would probably not want to get involved. Maybe the reason why my generation isn't as "active" as you seem to believe, is because we're too busy stressing over university debt and trying to find a decent paying job to barely start a life, of which there are considerably less than in the past. A lot of us don't have the luxury of taking time off to "raise hell," we don't have the time to do anything but work our asses off to make it even a fraction of the distance you people did in your generation and earlier. But make no mistake, there are a lot of young activists in my generation, but thanks to corporate media largely ignoring those kinds of protests such as the recent Democracy Spring, the message doesn't get out as much as it should. And let's not forget Occupy wall street, which while it was a completely failed effort, it was huge at the time. How was that not raising hell? It might have failed, but it showed a massive discontent among millennia's toward the corruption and continued fraud of the banks. So you can get off that high horse of saying that my generation is laying around doing nothing, because if we're not working our asses off, we are fighting to try to take the upper class down a peg and give the rest of the millennials a fighting chance at a decent life. Sorry mate. I'm not buying. I worked 72 hours a week at 15, in a factory job. Ovens blasting, where temperatures were over 105 in the summer. I worked 112 hours a week in my first startup. I worked every quarter of my 9 years of college, and never took a "spring break" or took a summer semester off. I lived most of my school years in florida, in row housing with no AC. In my 30's and 40s I went 12 years without a vacation. Thats why I say your generation has no idea of what people in the older generations did. I doubt you've ever been hungry. I doubt you've ever worked a job where you lost 15 lbs in a week, or hell even gotten a blister. You live in canada, so you may not need AC -but I doubt you've ever been without heat. I never took a dime of government money to go to college. Ramen noodles were 12 for $1. You could get a 50 lb bag of rice for $5. I lived one month on $19. So when I hear you complain about student loans - loans that my generation put in place to give you the option of going to school - all I hear is whining. And frankly, I think you should practice a little gratitude. You have a great deal of opportunities - but an even bigger sense of entitlement. Sorry mate, I wasn't talking to you, fuck off. If I wanted to talk to a rock I wouldn't have done it online. And I'll give a little gratitude when the older generation acknowledges that this isn't the 1950s and that we are living a different life than you morons. Money is worth less, there are less jobs in general, not just for younger people, and the baby boomers refuse to retire and have twisted the system to funnel all of the to the top. Try living like a millennial for a day and I can guarantee you'll be singing a different tune.

Marini -> RE: Generation Gap (4/15/2016 8:39:47 PM)
I feel so sorry for this generation. In the 80s and 90s you could quit a job,'and get a good one rather quickly. That would be me I remember leaving a job after graduating college, and seriously having my choice of 3 or 4 great jobs {Full time jobs, with good benefits, and opportunities for advancement}. It's hard for me to wrap my head around how hard it is out here. It really makes me sad. It's hard to see things get so desperate in my lifetime. I never thought the lack of opportunities would get so dire in my lifetime. I have many older relatives that all had government jobs back in the day, and did well, most with only a high school diploma. We are talking Black people here. They bought homes, had nice cars and sent their kids to college, retired with pensions. Now many of the adult children with degrees are not doing half as good as their parents. Just sad

Tkman117 -> RE: Generation Gap (4/15/2016 8:43:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marini I feel so sorry for this generation. In the 80s and 90s you could quit a job,'and get a good one rather quickly. That would be me I remember leaving a job after graduating college, and seriously having my choice of 3 or 4 great jobs, with opportunities. It's hard for me to wrap my head around how hard it is out here. It really makes me sad. It's hard to see things get so desperate in my lifetime. God that sounds amazing.

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