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RE: April 18, 2016 -- Tax day in U.S. - 4/17/2016 3:01:17 PM   
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It seems like US and Singapore have the same tax day.

But I'm happy with the tax I pay.

My income tax is only 5%.

I think it's horrendous that America pays as much tax as socialist countries, without the benefits of free healthcare and free education. No wonder Bernie's calculation is tax the rich 90% to subsidies these stuffs. It's like, I think the American government are horrible at money management. They aren't utilizing the taxes properly.



yeh that sounds about right for america depending on the state you live in and personal situation etc.

Federal personal income tax 17% to 39.6%
State & local income taxes 6.5% to 12.6%
Local taxes run from 0 to 2.75%.
Sales tax 9.7%
Social security & Medicare 15.3% Half is paid by the employer
Federal and state corporate income tax share 2.5%
Property tax 2.5%
Fuel/gasoline tax .5%
Other 6%

best 17+6.5+0+9.7+15.3+2.5+2.5+.5+6=60
worst 39.6+12.6+2.75+9.7+15.3+2.5+2.5+.5+6=89.5



They usually only like to talk about income tax, and it just sort of slips everyones mind all the OTHER taxes we pay here, many of which are deducted and collected by businesses so its completely out of site and behins the scenes of the tax payer.

The lowest possible taxes you stuck with here is 60% and the highest is 90% as you said, though there is a case back in the early 1900's where they hit 92%.

Americans are raped for taxes and the money is used to build more infrastructure which in turn creates a continually expanding tax base.

Then add to it the need to police the world to insure the dolla is the currency standard as the whole ponzi scheme would come tumbling down otherwise, hence the need to set hussien up in iraq, and OBL in afghanstan, both to lay the bricks that gave us the impetus to take over and occupy the ME.

very small world at the top. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsL6mKxtOlQ







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RE: April 18, 2016 -- Tax day in U.S. - 4/17/2016 3:54:43 PM   
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It seems like US and Singapore have the same tax day.

But I'm happy with the tax I pay.

My income tax is only 5%.

I think it's horrendous that America pays as much tax as socialist countries, without the benefits of free healthcare and free education. No wonder Bernie's calculation is tax the rich 90% to subsidies these stuffs. It's like, I think the American government are horrible at money management. They aren't utilizing the taxes properly.



yeh that sounds about right for america depending on the state you live in and personal situation etc.

Federal personal income tax 17% to 39.6%
State & local income taxes 6.5% to 12.6%
Local taxes run from 0 to 2.75%.
Sales tax 9.7%
Social security & Medicare 15.3% Half is paid by the employer
Federal and state corporate income tax share 2.5%
Property tax 2.5%
Fuel/gasoline tax .5%
Other 6%

best 17+6.5+0+9.7+15.3+2.5+2.5+.5+6=60
worst 39.6+12.6+2.75+9.7+15.3+2.5+2.5+.5+6=89.5



They usually only like to talk about income tax, and it just sort of slips everyones mind all the OTHER taxes we pay here, many of which are deducted and collected by businesses so its completely out of site and behins the scenes of the tax payer.

The lowest possible taxes you stuck with here is 60% and the highest is 90% as you said, though there is a case back in the early 1900's where they hit 92%.

Americans are raped for taxes and the money is used to build more infrastructure which in turn creates a continually expanding tax base.

Then add to it the need to police the world to insure the dolla is the currency standard as the whole ponzi scheme would come tumbling down otherwise, hence the need to set hussien up in iraq, and OBL in afghanstan, both to lay the bricks that gave us the impetus to take over and occupy the ME.

very small world at the top. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsL6mKxtOlQ








I have no quibble with the general point, but your lowest taxes are significantly off.

Many states have no state or local income taxes. Many people pay effectively a negative federal income tax due to the EITC.

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RE: April 18, 2016 -- Tax day in U.S. - 4/17/2016 4:08:22 PM   
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RE: April 18, 2016 -- Tax day in U.S. - 4/17/2016 4:18:10 PM   
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It seems like US and Singapore have the same tax day.

But I'm happy with the tax I pay.

My income tax is only 5%.

I think it's horrendous that America pays as much tax as socialist countries, without the benefits of free healthcare and free education. No wonder Bernie's calculation is tax the rich 90% to subsidies these stuffs. It's like, I think the American government are horrible at money management. They aren't utilizing the taxes properly.



yeh that sounds about right for america depending on the state you live in and personal situation etc.

Federal personal income tax 17% to 39.6%
State & local income taxes 6.5% to 12.6%
Local taxes run from 0 to 2.75%.
Sales tax 9.7%
Social security & Medicare 15.3% Half is paid by the employer
Federal and state corporate income tax share 2.5%
Property tax 2.5%
Fuel/gasoline tax .5%
Other 6%

best 17+6.5+0+9.7+15.3+2.5+2.5+.5+6=60
worst 39.6+12.6+2.75+9.7+15.3+2.5+2.5+.5+6=89.5



They usually only like to talk about income tax, and it just sort of slips everyones mind all the OTHER taxes we pay here, many of which are deducted and collected by businesses so its completely out of site and behins the scenes of the tax payer.

The lowest possible taxes you stuck with here is 60% and the highest is 90% as you said, though there is a case back in the early 1900's where they hit 92%.

Americans are raped for taxes and the money is used to build more infrastructure which in turn creates a continually expanding tax base.

Then add to it the need to police the world to insure the dolla is the currency standard as the whole ponzi scheme would come tumbling down otherwise, hence the need to set hussien up in iraq, and OBL in afghanstan, both to lay the bricks that gave us the impetus to take over and occupy the ME.

very small world at the top. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsL6mKxtOlQ








I have no quibble with the general point, but your lowest taxes are significantly off.

Many states have no state or local income taxes. Many people pay effectively a negative federal income tax due to the EITC.



arent you talking about people who are below the federal minimum? Like make only a couple grand in a year? That and they may not pay income tax but they still pay the bulk of the other taxes. sales, gas, property etc The states have so many variants of this its hard to summarize it however the tax brden works out to be about the same state to state everything considered.




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RE: April 18, 2016 -- Tax day in U.S. - 4/17/2016 4:23:14 PM   
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I have no quibble with the general point, but your lowest taxes are significantly off.

Many states have no state or local income taxes. Many people pay effectively a negative federal income tax due to the EITC.

are you kidding me??? I am in Houston, no state income tax but man, do they fuck ya royally on the property taxes!!!!! plus there is sales tax, and various other taxes... they get it from ya one way or the other! so dont kid yourself/other people that there is no tax here..

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RE: April 18, 2016 -- Tax day in U.S. - 4/17/2016 4:44:52 PM   
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Sure - only you don't. After you pay your 11K per year (canada) for healthcare - most canadians don't have the money to afford good care, do they.

11,000 just for healthcare?
Fuck off.


That's what HuffPo says:
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/nadeem-esmail/canada-free-health-care_b_3733080.html

n 2013, a typical Canadian family of four can expect to pay $11,320 for public health care insurance. For the average family of two parents with one child that bill will be $10,989, and for the average family of two adults (without children) the bill comes to $11,381. As a result of lower average incomes and differences in taxation, the bills are smaller for the average unattached individual ($3,780), for the average one-parent-one-child family ($3,905), and the average one-parent two-child family ($3,387). But no matter the family type, the bill is not small, much less free.

You are mistaking insurance cost for income tax, those numbers are not health insurance fees, its just the average portion of income taxes that the provinces allocate to pay for their health care systems.. and at least Canadians get a good health care system for their tax dollars, Americans get squat.. This article was written by a Canadian that has lived in the US for 20 years and compares the 2 systems:

"If you’re a proud member of America’s middle class, you may have been startled to learn last week that your after-tax income now makes you worse off than your Canadian neighbors to the north. They can now claim the title of the richest middle class on the planet.

Let’s take a look at the bombshell that the New York Times dropped in our midst last week. It’s based on data from the Luxembourg Income Study Database, and focuses squarely on median income.

That means that instead of being distorted by the impact of millionaires and billionaires becoming still richer and the wealth gap becoming still wider, using this data gives analysts a sense of the experience of the average household in any given country. It also means an economist can compare overall economic growth of a country to the experience of individual households in that country – and by those standards, the United States just doesn’t come off that well.

Because while our economy has been growing more rapidly than those of other nations, a smaller percentage of those households is sharing in that prosperity, the data suggests. (Income inequality is at its highest level since 1928.)

Median after-tax income for a family of four in both Canada and the United States hit $75,000 in 2010 and as later income surveys show that Canadians have earned larger wage gains than their counterparts south of the border in the years since then, Canadian income now is ahead of that in the US. The gap is even wider further down the wealth ladder."

Having lots of elderly relatives dealing with everything from cancer to hip replacements (and with relatives working as physicians), I can say I don’t know anyone who’d swap what they have for what we have. I’ve asked.

“Are you nuts?” one great-aunt asked me at a family reunion a few years ago. “You’ve lived there too long.”

http://www.theguardian.com/money/us-money-blog/2014/apr/27/america-canada-middle-class-college-healthcare-taxes

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RE: April 18, 2016 -- Tax day in U.S. - 4/17/2016 5:19:55 PM   
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It seems like US and Singapore have the same tax day.

But I'm happy with the tax I pay.

My income tax is only 5%.

You are a lying sack of shit. I have posted the official govt site and the tax rate is 40%. You can call it a savings account but you never get your money back.

I think it's horrendous that America pays as much tax as socialist countries, without the benefits of free healthcare and free education.

It has been made abundantly clear that the free education did not work for you. You cannot do simple sums and your command of english is marginal.

No wonder Bernie's calculation is tax the rich 90% to subsidies these stuffs. It's like, I think the American government are horrible at money management. They aren't utilizing the taxes properly.

That third world shithole known as singapore just bought how many 300 million dollar aircraft that do not work?
That is just phoquing stupid.



That third world shithole has a better standard of living than the US, because they have jobs.

I will agree that they have little freedom and harsh laws. Wasn't it them who wanted to "cane" that kid for vandalism ? Call that barbaric ?

Well then OK, don't cane the self entitled rich fucking punk. Instead, put him in a jail for five year where he doesn't even know the language. How about that ? Anyone in their right mind would take the ass whipping. It is actually more humane. Our way takes years out of your life.

I heard you can go to jail for spitting on the sidewalk. But then do you want to track that shit in on your carpet where your baby crawls ? Sounds like they are very clean people, especially considering living in a shithole eh ? (Greta, if you spit on the street instead, do they still bust you for it ?, Really)

Alot of their jobs are high tech manufacturing, something WE should be doing. We invent about a third of the shit, but job out the real work. And you think people who do not know how to read or write build it ? Hell no, they can read their diplomas, unlike here. It is highly automated but it takes a bit of skill to keep it all going smoothly.

Anyway, as fucked up as their laws may be, at least abut half the people must support them or the system goes down. Same is true of North Korea, there are enough people loyal to the regime to keep it going. Otherwise there is unrest, which will come here sooner or later. When America gets hungry, the US government is in alot of trouble. How many people on the food card now ? How many more can we afford ?

In China, people protested against a sewage treatment plant, and the government acquiesced. It was not a repeat of Tianamen Square, and it was not Kent State - four dead in Ohio.

People go on vacations to Singapore. Given the relative size and populations of the US and Singapore I would bet that more per capita visit Singapore than the US. Of course some people are fraid to come here cause we gots guns all over the place. And the only features we got are Disney and amusement parks, like rollercoasters n shit. Our national monuments are national, well I guess there is Old Faithful, and Death Valley. Yeah, Death Valley is one of our tourist attractions. Ain't built all that much else. Go across the pond and you can see buildings older than this country. Go to Rome and see buildings worth more than this country.

Go south and you can see ruins of ancient civilizations. Go to Tibet and you'll see some shit thought I am not sure what at the moment, other than 90 year old guys with 16 year old pregnant Wives n shit like that.

You need to take a more worldly view of things. I fully agree that the laws i Singapore are harsh and allow for very little freedom. But the people there seem to be generally happy. It is like, if they got a law against fucking goats, well I have no desire to fuck a goat so, so what ? I know it is not fair to the goat fuckers but, maybe they don't have any.

Different laws for different Peoples is not that hard to understand is it ? Like US states, US states are almost like separate countries but have an agreement a bit stronger than the EU. This causes problems but nobody in their right mind would want to make absolutely uniform law across the country. People with a working brain know it will not work.

Like Nevada told the feds to fuck off with the 55 MPH deal. And there is no sprinkling ban in Florida, it fucking rains every day down there. Someone told me it used to be illegal to sell a new car with air conditioning in Montana.

God I got a story up there that'll blow your mind. (might as well)

Remember the guy they said went nuts and shot a bunch of people up there ? Well he was not nuts at all, he was taking revenge. the people who were already there colluded with each other to keep him from working his claim. They would fuck with him on the few roads, that ran through others' claims and they would shoot at him and all that shit, shoot his tires out. They told him the only way he would get his ore out of there was by helicopter.

His was one of the ore sought after claims. Actually, he could run a car out of there, but no trucks or whatever, figuring he had ore. He did start smelting the stuff himself. Mercury is needed, but it frequently is found around gold. He might have been going a bit mad because of the fumes actually. Remember the saying "Mad as a hatter" ? Well they inhaled alot of mercury fumes while making hats and it apparently has quite the effect on the human brain. So he may have been a bit impaired mentally.

But that doesn't mean he didn't have enemies. these people really were out to get him, they colluded and connived like a gang, trying to make him sell that claim. those claims are granted by the BLM, and are not the easiest things to get in some places. Unfortunately his was landlocked, surrounded by these motherfuckers.

Our buddy Yuk wanted us to go up there. Everyone would be packing heat all the time. He right out said you don't come here without a gun. But he also added "This is not a fucking candy store, it is a gold mine".

We declined. But I can tell you this, with this crowd we would have smelted it ourselves and sold it for cash money to jewelers and paid no taxes. We might have had armed guards on the trucks of ore to take them to a facility so we didn't have to do it in a hole in the ground, and I used to shoot pretty good so if one of them was close enough to even hit the truck I could probably kill him. Smelting gold in a hole in the ground is not good, you get those fumes. We would have gotten a building and equipment to do it right.

But it would be us, like against a county full of kin. that's why we turned it down.

T^T

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RE: April 18, 2016 -- Tax day in U.S. - 4/17/2016 5:34:29 PM   
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Like Nevada told the feds to fuck off with the 55 MPH deal.

No they did not. You still got a ticket and you still got points on your license you still had your time wasted. They love giving tickets for uncovered off road lights.

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RE: April 18, 2016 -- Tax day in U.S. - 4/17/2016 5:39:44 PM   
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Might want to read this.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/11/08/singapore-s-exploited-immigrant-workers.html#/articles/2013/11/08/singapore-s-exploited-immigrant-workers.html

https://themigrationist.net/2014/01/08/riot-in-singapores-little-india/

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RE: April 18, 2016 -- Tax day in U.S. - 4/17/2016 5:45:25 PM   
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It seems like US and Singapore have the same tax day.

But I'm happy with the tax I pay.

My income tax is only 5%.

I think it's horrendous that America pays as much tax as socialist countries, without the benefits of free healthcare and free education. No wonder Bernie's calculation is tax the rich 90% to subsidies these stuffs. It's like, I think the American government are horrible at money management. They aren't utilizing the taxes properly.



yeh that sounds about right for america depending on the state you live in and personal situation etc.

Federal personal income tax 17% to 39.6%
State & local income taxes 6.5% to 12.6%
Local taxes run from 0 to 2.75%.
Sales tax 9.7%
Social security & Medicare 15.3% Half is paid by the employer
Federal and state corporate income tax share 2.5%
Property tax 2.5%
Fuel/gasoline tax .5%
Other 6%

best 17+6.5+0+9.7+15.3+2.5+2.5+.5+6=60
worst 39.6+12.6+2.75+9.7+15.3+2.5+2.5+.5+6=89.5



They usually only like to talk about income tax, and it just sort of slips everyones mind all the OTHER taxes we pay here, many of which are deducted and collected by businesses so its completely out of site and behins the scenes of the tax payer.

The lowest possible taxes you stuck with here is 60% and the highest is 90% as you said, though there is a case back in the early 1900's where they hit 92%.

Americans are raped for taxes and the money is used to build more infrastructure which in turn creates a continually expanding tax base.

Then add to it the need to police the world to insure the dolla is the currency standard as the whole ponzi scheme would come tumbling down otherwise, hence the need to set hussien up in iraq, and OBL in afghanstan, both to lay the bricks that gave us the impetus to take over and occupy the ME.

very small world at the top. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsL6mKxtOlQ








I have no quibble with the general point, but your lowest taxes are significantly off.

Many states have no state or local income taxes. Many people pay effectively a negative federal income tax due to the EITC.



but the producers pay federal tax to keep the red state welfare sister marrying mulletheaded nutusckers afloat

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RE: April 18, 2016 -- Tax day in U.S. - 4/17/2016 7:02:30 PM   
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You are a lying sack of shit. I have posted the official govt site and the tax rate is 40%. You can call it a savings account but you never get your money back.

It's a retirement savings account. Thompson, stop calling people stupid when you are looking stupid not understanding the difference between a retirement savings account that helps you grow, and get paid interest on it, your money for your own retirement, in comparison to taxes that you pay, that you don't get a cent of it back or have an account to look at it and watch it grow, have access to the money for important necessities, like education, medical and housing, and able to bequest 100% of the money in there to your children when you die.

And on top of that, this silly 40% you keep quoting, 20% is paid by employer, and so free extra money from employer into your pocket. 20% of your money to your retirement savings.

I can't believe you don't even understand what a income tax is. This is our government website and this is the income tax we pay.

https://www.iras.gov.sg/irashome/Individuals/Locals/Working-Out-Your-Taxes/Income-Tax-Rates/

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RE: April 18, 2016 -- Tax day in U.S. - 4/17/2016 7:13:44 PM   
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Greta... I'm just curious... how much do you pay for a gallon of gas over there?

We don't measure in gallons. But we pay averagely $2 per Litre of gas. Usually there are credit card discounts on that amount too. Most credit card give about 5% to 18% discount, depending on which one. I know for about every 400km I drive, I pay averagely about $45 for gas.

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RE: April 18, 2016 -- Tax day in U.S. - 4/17/2016 7:17:12 PM   
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One of the problems with the ACA is there is no cap on deductibles. If you need a subsidy to pay the thousand a month, where the hell do you come up with five or ten grand for deductibles ?


There isn't a cap on deductibles? I thought out-of-pocket expenses were capped (for covered services). Isn't that capping deductibles?



I think they were referring to the "lifetime cap", which was once, but for exceptional policies (wealthy folks who could afford unlimited coverage), capped at $1,000,000.00.

Now, unlimited.

Hence the higher deductibles/co-pays, etc.

Also, nearly all former policies had "pre-existing conditions" clauses that excluded (in the case of Washington State insurance of days gone by) pre-existing conditions for upwards of 6 months, after which, if the policies were paid consistently and timely, they had to be covered. Other states were allowed to exclude them entirely or, until the patient was provided with a clean bill of health.

Now, if you have had no insurance, discover you have AIDS, a very bad heart, cancer of any kind....you are covered the second you write your first premiun check. (Not even "until it's cashed" by the insurer).

(Hence the higher premiums).


Actually, you're covered as soon as you sign up - and for something like 90 days - even if you never pay a premium. The insurance companies must cover you - even if you never pay.

So you can expect people to sign up every year (you can't be denied) not pay a dime, and get three months of free medical care.

Brilliant.


Yes...but my point was...apparently I didn't express myself effectively....

There are policies available....today...that are the duplicates of what we had before Obmacare....you can purchase a policy with a lifetime cap of 1,000,000....1/3rd the cost of "we'll spend 9 katrillion over your life for whatever the fuck you need" and...you can actually get "AFFORDABLE" health care".

This whole thing is such a total fucking travesty.

It's like those cars that get 200 mpe for electric cars and then the govt. said...."all electric vehicles are required to get 900 mpe".

Any wonder (if that were true) why a Vega station wagon would run you 235 grand?

Those of you that believed Obama...now have your 12K medical deductibles and 75 dollar co pays (AND....your monthly is 20% HIGHER than it was before!!!!.

Vote for Democrats!!!

(They'll save you....I know this is true....they said so).

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RE: April 18, 2016 -- Tax day in U.S. - 4/17/2016 7:20:39 PM   
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That third world shithole has a better standard of living than the US, because they have jobs.

Might want to read this.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/11/08/singapore-s-exploited-immigrant-workers.html#/articles/2013/11/08/singapore-s-exploited-immigrant-workers.html

https://themigrationist.net/2014/01/08/riot-in-singapores-little-india/

First of all.
The riot of little india is caused by an bangladash national man pulling down his pants in the bus, flashing his cock to a lady, so they threw him out of the bus. But he ran infront of the bus, and the bus ran him down accidentally and killed him trying to drive away from him. Other bangladashi nationals who saw what happened, thought it was intentional murder and flock together to attack the bus in revenge for their country men.

They came from backwards nations, so this is who they behave to some injustice they misunderstood has happened.

Secondly, we have always exploited cheap labour from other Asian countries. But they come here to work on their own free will, because, despite our low salary offerings for them, they are still paid more over here, than in their own countries for better jobs. So they choose to take the harder job in Singapore. And they do it out of desperation because their OWN COUNTRY failed them and did not provide enough good paying jobs for them.

Frankly, I don't think it's our duty to take care of fair salaries of people from other nations, because, they know the salary they are getting, and they know the job scope and the conditions. They aren't slaves. They are voluntarily willing individuals who CHOSE to take on the job despite the living conditions and difficulty that comes with it. And they know they are severely underpaid compared to local Singaporeans. And it will always be that way. Singaporean first is what we believe in, in our country. Why would we treat foreigners working here better than we treat our own citizens?

Even domestic helpers. Filipinos claim to me that, the pay for being a maid here is higher than a pay for a teacher in Philippines.

Looking at the stupid article claiming it takes 3 years of labour to repay back $8000. In Singapore, rent is expensive. In a small room with 4 bunk beds, means 8 ppl in a room. If he rented on his own, $250 a month would have gone to just having a bed. These construction jobs they sign up for, the salary is seriously sad. It's maybe $400 to $500 a month.

So if 3 years of rent is already $9000, it would obviously take them 3 years with the salary they agreed to, to pay up $8000. If these people can't do the math and wanna complain, like seriously.....

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RE: April 18, 2016 -- Tax day in U.S. - 4/17/2016 7:28:06 PM   
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That third world shithole has a better standard of living than the US, because they have jobs.

Might want to read this.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/11/08/singapore-s-exploited-immigrant-workers.html#/articles/2013/11/08/singapore-s-exploited-immigrant-workers.html

https://themigrationist.net/2014/01/08/riot-in-singapores-little-india/
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First of all.
The riot of little india is caused by an bangladash national man pulling down his pants in the bus, flashing his cock to a lady, so they threw him out of the bus. But he ran infront of the bus, and the bus ran him down accidentally and killed him trying to drive away from him. Other bangladashi nationals who saw what happened, thought it was intentional murder and flock together to attack the bus in revenge for their country men.

They came from backwards nations, so this is who they behave to some injustice they misunderstood has happened.

Secondly, we have always exploited cheap labour from other Asian countries. But they come here to work on their own free will, because, despite our low salary offerings for them, they are still paid more over here, than in their own countries for better jobs. So they choose to take the harder job in Singapore. And they do it out of desperation because their OWN COUNTRY failed them and did not provide enough good paying jobs for them.

Frankly, I don't think it's our duty to take care of fair salaries of people from other nations, because, they know the salary they are getting, and they know the job scope and the conditions. They aren't slaves. They are voluntarily willing individuals who CHOSE to take on the job despite the living conditions and difficulty that comes with it. And they know they are severely underpaid compared to local Singaporeans. And it will always be that way. Singaporean first is what we believe in, in our country. Why would we treat foreigners working here better than we treat our own citizens?

Even domestic helpers. Filipinos claim to me that, the pay for being a maid here is higher than a pay for a teacher in Philippines.


You can spout that ignorant horshit all you want. That wont make it true.

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RE: April 18, 2016 -- Tax day in U.S. - 4/17/2016 7:36:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		What is true is that, NONE of these migrant workers WERE FORCEFULLY KIDNAPPED and a gun placed in their head to force them to work in Singapore. They agreed to a stupid pay like $28 per day, not realising it doesn't include room rental yet. Or realising the cost of living in Singapore. And then come into shock.

And the reason why is because they are desperate for a job, and they can't even survive in their own country, their own government failed them.

I don't know why we gotta be responsible for giving them fair wages that will increase our cost of living.

The difference is, American employ illegal mexicans so they can pay low wages. We employ them LEGALLY and let them know the sad wages they are getting, and they AGREE anyway.

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RE: April 18, 2016 -- Tax day in U.S. - 4/17/2016 7:39:04 PM   
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Greta... I'm just curious... how much do you pay for a gallon of gas over there?

We don't measure in gallons. But we pay averagely $2 per Litre of gas. Usually there are credit card discounts on that amount too. Most credit card give about 5% to 18% discount, depending on which one. I know for about every 400km I drive, I pay averagely about $45 for gas.


It's cheaper to pay by credit card?

There are places here that charge more if you pay by credit card; anywhere from 6-10¢/gallon.

Greta, there are 3.8L to a US Gallon, so your $2/L comes out to $7.60/gallon, compared to here. Here (NW Ohio), gas was around $2.15/gallon (as of Friday).


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RE: April 18, 2016 -- Tax day in U.S. - 4/17/2016 7:41:53 PM   
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You'll have to be the expert here and tell me where I'm wrong. In Singapore housing is assigned by the Government and pay is set by the government. Pretty much all the money goes through the government first. The government takes what it wants and spreads around the rest. Then it taxes you 5% on what it allowed you and says see how inexpensive we are.

You are wrong. Housing is a choice. Nobody is obligated to take housing from the government. They can keep 100% of their money, other than income tax and forced retirement savings of 20%, and don't touch any housing from the government. Buying a house from a government is like buying any house. If you don't want to buy, then you can rent a room or basically like any other country.




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RE: April 18, 2016 -- Tax day in U.S. - 4/17/2016 7:47:46 PM   
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It's cheaper to pay by credit card?

There are places here that charge more if you pay by credit card; anywhere from 6-10¢/gallon.

Greta, there are 3.8L to a US Gallon, so your $2/L comes out to $7.60/gallon, compared to here. Here (NW Ohio), gas was around $2.15/gallon (as of Friday).


In Singapore, everything is cheaper by credit card. Like there are 20% to 50% discounts on retail shopping. There are usually up to 10% cashback on your total spent on credit card. You get air miles, free air tickets. There are so many benefits using credit cards.
We use credit cards alot as it saves us alot of money. And there are no annual fees to these credit cards too. So the cards are free.

US gas will always be much cheaper than ours, because our government goal is to eventually become a car free city. We want the whole country to simply rely on public transportation. As our country is so small, that I can walk on foot from the Far South of my country into the North into Malaysia in just 5 hours. That's how small we are. If we allow our car population to grow, we are gonna get Smog 24/7, 365 days a year like China. So the government goal is to increasingly make cars as unaffordable to the masses as possible.

There is no need for a car in Singapore, our public transportation is so well connected. And cheap. Cars are more of a ego status thing than a necessity. And I'd say I have no need of a car too. Just like I would have no need of a luxury handbag. It was an egotistic decision to get a car on my part. And frankly an unnecessary expense. My train station is like 5 mins from my home, and I am 2 stops from work. It takes 10 minutes by train for me to reach my work place by train, I don't even need my car! And I have 24 hours supermarkets within 5 mins walk from me. Like I literally have no need for my car even for groceries.

But in the US, cars are basic necessities for many people living in areas where there is no public transportation. So I think they need to keep gas low for people to survive.


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RE: April 18, 2016 -- Tax day in U.S. - 4/17/2016 7:49:33 PM   
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What is true is that, NONE of these migrant workers WERE FORCEFULLY KIDNAPPED and a gun placed in their head to force them to work in Singapore. They agreed to a stupid pay like $28 per day, not realising it doesn't include room rental yet. Or realising the cost of living in Singapore. And then come into shock.
And the reason why is because they are desperate for a job, and they can't even survive in their own country, their own government failed them.
I don't know why we gotta be responsible for giving them fair wages that will increase our cost of living.
The difference is, American employ illegal mexicans so they can pay low wages. We employ them LEGALLY and let them know the sad wages they are getting, and they AGREE anyway.


In most developing countries where multinationals invest to take advantage of low wages, those wages are only low compared to other countries. But, in the developing country, those wages tend to be relatively high. So, immigrants might want to come to Singapore for the lower-waged jobs because they are still higher than what they can get at home.

It's all relative. Accusing Nike of exploiting workers for paying them a pittance is only effective if you compare it to what a US worker's pay would be. It's a great wage if you compare it to what that worker would otherwise be able to get.


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