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ORIGINAL: betaalpha
Is this as erotic to others as it is to me?
Personally, I find it erotic to be told to do things that I would do anyway (e.g., being instructed, under consent, to eagerly please a worthy woman to her complete satisfaction, for one), but, it's almost impossible for me to grasp what you mean by "gentle coercion" without some concrete example to hang my visual thoughts upon.
For "me", gentle coercion would be being told to do what I'd do without "gently forced acts" anyway, just to make someone happy - where the coercion is just for her own personal pleasure in the theatrics of it all; but for you, "gentle coercion" may mean something completely different from what you'd do anyway.
But, if it's really coercion, then gentle doesn't seem to fit the model all that well because for coercion to be coercion, it pretty much must be something that you don't already want to do.
So then, how is *that* erotic?
Dunno. I'm not that type of sub; so, that's why I muse here aloud.
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ORIGINAL: betaalpha
I would be interested in hearing peoples thoughts on gentle coercion.
There is a clever oxymoron and a redundancy, both wrapped up in just those two words!
Like everyone else, I have to ponder what "gentle coercion" means, given that coercion already implies force.
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ORIGINAL: betaalpha
For me its extremely erotic...
As noted, you're probably a guy, where almost anything that involves kink or sex is "extremely erotic".
Nothing wrong with that (it is what it is); but we'd still need to figure out what's erotic about it for you - at least in order for us to compare if we feel the same as you do when confronted with the same stimuli.
Do you have a specific story or more concrete example or vignette of how you feel this "gentle coercion" would work in an encounter between two kinksters?
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ORIGINAL: betaalpha
kind of like forced confessions
Dunno on that.
A "forced confession" in and of itself doesn't sound like "gentle coercion" to me.
Sounds more like "forced coercion" to me - which - if we expand the terms - is simply "forced forced acts".
Maybe the OP can clarify?
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ORIGINAL: betaalpha
and hypnosis.
Is hypnosis real?
Dunno if it is ... lemme see what the pundits think ... (google click .... skim ... google ... click ... click)... Hmmmm....
American Psychological Association: The first task for many psychologists who use hypnosis is telling patients what hypnosis is and what it isn’t.
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"If you watch hypnosis on TV, the subject always ends up clucking like a chicken, being naked or assassinating a president," ... Hypnosis works and the empirical support is unequivocal in that regard. ... Hypnosis can create a highly relaxed state of inner concentration and focused attention for patients, and the technique can be tailored to different treatment methods, such as cognitive-behavioral therapy. Patients also can become more empowered by learning to hypnotize themselves at home to reduce chronic pain, improve sleep, or alleviate some symptoms of depression or anxiety."
Penn State: Probing Question: Does hypnosis work?
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researchers learned that 95 percent of people can be hypnotized to some extent (with most scoring in the midrange on the Stanford Scale) and that "an individual's score—reflecting the ability to respond to hypnosis—remains remarkably stable over time.
British Psychological Society: Neuroscience gets serious about hypnosis
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Hypnosis is synonymous with stage entertainment where the performer puts volunteers from the audience into a trance and commands them to do embarrassing things. This makes it sound like a joke, but in fact hypnosis is a real phenomenon
I guess just mentioning the word "hypnosis" is fraught with difficulty because just skimming those three papers (the first three Google hits they were), shows that it would take me an entire day just to figure out what hypnosis is, and what it isn't, to me.
Up until this moment, I had thought of hypnosis as "group think", akin to what "The Amazing" Kreskin once said, which was:
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"Using suggestion, I could never make someone do something he didn't want to do. But it's different in a crowd," says Kreskin. "Psychologists don't know why, but somehow the level of morality is lowered and responsibility is lost."
IMHO, Kreskin knew the power of what I'd call "group think"; but peer pressure loses its power reverse exponentially.
In contrast, this "hypnosis" things appears to be a one-on-one phenomenon, which, I'll let the OP clarify further.
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ORIGINAL: betaalpha
I realize that hypnosis is misunderstood by many and don't wish to cloud the issue.
If we don't know the definition of hypnosis, it's misunderstood by everyone.
Given there probably isn't a unique definition, what is "your" working definition of what "you" mean when you use the word "hypnosis"?
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ORIGINAL: betaalpha
Consensual non consent.
Oh oh ... you just opened Pandora's box.
Quick. Shut it!
Hurry up! Shut that damned thing now!
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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal
There is no such thing as make-believe hypnosis aside from making believe that you are in a hypnotic trance when you are not.
I'm glad you have a handle on hypnosis, as your logical thought process is something we can all hang our hats upon to be relied on.
I, myself, haven't much thought about what it is and what it isn't; but it's hard to understand anything the OP is saying without understanding what the OP means by the terms used.
Doing some homework to catch up with the OP, it's clear from skimming the first few hits that the first thing we'd all have to do is iron out what the OP means by "hypnosis" before we can even think of taking it further.
Psychology Glossary: Hypnosis[/link
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Hypnosis is a temporary state of heightened relaxation and suggestibility during which some (not all) people are able to become so focused that they experience imaginary happenings as if they were real. Hypnosis is not some trans-like, magical state in which people will engage in behaviors that are completely against their "normal, non-hynotized" will.
People often believe that a hypnotist can make you do things you would never do, like take your clothes off and run around a crowded room naked. If you would not do this when you are not hypnotized, then you would not do it when you are hypnotized. However, if there is some part of you that would....well then, that may be a different story.
[link=http://www.apa.org/topics/hypnosis]American Psychological Association: Hypnosis
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Hypnosis is a therapeutic technique in which clinicians make suggestions to individuals who have undergone a procedure designed to relax them and focus their minds.
Although hypnosis has been controversial, most clinicians now agree it can be a powerful, effective therapeutic technique for a wide range of conditions, including pain, anxiety and mood disorders. Hypnosis can also help people change their habits, such as quitting smoking.
What Is Hypnosis?
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hypnosis as a cooperative interaction in which the participant responds to the suggestions of the hypnotist. ...The experience of hypnosis can vary dramatically from one person to another. Some hypnotized individuals report feeling a sense of detachment or extreme relaxation during the hypnotic state while others even feel that their actions seem to occur outside of their conscious volition.
Other individuals may remain fully aware and able to carry out conversations while under hypnosis.
In the end, amidst the tremendous confusion, I get the nagging impression that the OP may simply have the age-old repressed sexual do-me-sub desires, where, it may be, the OP is just expressing this desire for an admittedly very understanding and altruistic top to "gently convince" the OP to experience that which the OP is already convinced he wants to experience.
In shorter summary ... unless further clarification is forthcoming, it seems pretty much like run-of-the-mill topping from the bottom to me.
(But I'm open to learning more about the OP's need so that's just a hazy impression at this point in time.)
< Message edited by crumpets -- 4/25/2016 9:28:00 AM >
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