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Suggested reading for all republicans, right wing too. - 4/21/2016 4:28:25 PM   
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The gap between expectations and political realities reflects two mistakes: The first is to overestimate the centrality of presidential contests to our system of checks and balances.

The second is to misunderstand the recent Republican electoral successes — which rest less on effective governance than on attacking government, and especially the occupant of the Oval Office.

Think back to 2008. George W. Bush’s exit was humiliating. The party’s approval ratings had fallen to modern lows.

The verdict was clear: The Republican Party had to change or die.

Only it didn’t do either. Rather than reform and moderation, the party started a campaign of confrontation and obstruction of the new administration.

In the context of a divided electorate, highly polarized parties and nonstop combat in an unending string of elections to fill national and state offices, presidential contests are less likely to usher in dominance than to invite opposition.

This structural edge applies to the House. Many Democratic votes are “wasted” in majorities piled up in cities. Republicans can maintain a majority even while Democrats win more votes. In 2012, Republicans had a more than 30-seat edge in the House despite receiving a minority of votes cast in House races.

The electorate is changing in ways that will weaken the Republican advantage in the future — in particular, it’s becoming much more diverse. But Republicans have managed to hold back this tide to some extent by making voting harder (with voter ID laws and the like) and by mobilizing their core voters even more aggressively. And they’ve mobilized them not in spite of their presidential disadvantage, but often by virtue of it.

They are not trying to win by losing. But they are doing just that, and this tells us a lot about how the contemporary Republican Party works.

Almost without fail, recent presidential losses were followed by a “backlash” election — in 1994, 2010 and 2014 — in which the G.O.P. swept to victories in Congress and statehouses.

The one revealing exception is 1998, after President Bill Clinton’s re-election. Republicans actually lost seats, forcing Newt Gingrich to resign as speaker of the House. The reason, however, was truly extraordinary: Republicans impeached the president of the United States.

The Republican National Committee has just released its latest post-mortem — it probably looks a lot like the post-2012 soul-searching exercise, the Growth and Opportunity Project, which encouraged moderation in tone and inclusiveness in policy.

But that blueprint is ignored. Instead, the party quickly regroups in opposition to the incoming administration. Most Republican voters hate Mrs. Clinton even more than they hated Mr. Obama. The conservative apparatus for sowing discontent with a new administration is in place, flush with cash and battle-tested.

For Republicans in and outside government, it will be a time not for facing up to hard truths but for doubling down on hardball tactics.

American voters choose presidents, not kings (or queens). American political institutions are, and were designed to be, a complex system of interlocking parts. The drama of presidential campaigns should not blind us to these longstanding and deeply rooted dynamics or to their perverse effect: They allow the Republican Party to thrive even as its presidential candidates do not.

More worrisome, they reinforce a dangerous spiral. The most effective Republican response to its own unpopularity in presidential elections is to take steps to make the American political system more unpopular still. HERE
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RE: Suggested reading for all republicans, right wing too. - 4/21/2016 4:48:36 PM   
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You know, none of this is actually new in US politics.

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RE: Suggested reading for all republicans, right wing too. - 4/21/2016 6:10:26 PM   
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You know, none of this is actually new in US politics.

Oh yes it is. There was a time when both parties appealed on the basis of actually being the better at operating all levels of govt. and especially the executive.

They've instead impeached a dem on a civil court proceeding while failing to even reign in Regan or Bush I. With the likes of only Trump and Cruz, and they lose but save the house, mostly because of rural appeal AND gerrymandering, they can still play the obstruction game rather than negotiate true solutions to problems. I am sure they will continue to go after Obamacare and resist anything out of the senate om immigration.

That means tax reform only on their terms, immigration reform the same. Still more local (state) laws allowing discrimination, voted ID hurdles and obstruction to abortion. Maybe even more govt. shutdowns.

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RE: Suggested reading for all republicans, right wing too. - 4/21/2016 6:19:10 PM   
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There was a time when both parties appealed on the basis of actually being the better at operating all levels of govt. and especially the executive.

And when was this golden age?

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RE: Suggested reading for all republicans, right wing too. - 4/21/2016 6:20:47 PM   
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Remember, the key event triggering the secession of the southern states was Lincoln's election. They were so pissed off that somebody they didn't want had won that they decided to outright quit the country.

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RE: Suggested reading for all republicans, right wing too. - 4/21/2016 6:23:30 PM   
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You know, what is interesting out of this entire thread is that you place your opinion at the same level as a nationally published journalist, reported in multiple newspapers/aggregators./blogs. You compound this hubris by failing to support your position by any cites.

It speaks of that innate superiority complex, or elitism mentioned in the other thread.

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RE: Suggested reading for all republicans, right wing too. - 4/21/2016 6:27:38 PM   
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You know, what is interesting out of this entire thread is that you place your opinion at the same level as a nationally published journalist, reported in multiple newspapers/aggregators./blogs. You compound this hubris by failing to support your position by any cites.

It speaks of that innate superiority complex, or elitism mentioned in the other thread.


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Jesus you are phoquing stupid.


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RE: Suggested reading for all republicans, right wing too. - 4/21/2016 6:29:37 PM   
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Right now, the GOP appeals to the hateful, spiteful, ignorant, and stupid. The bills that come up in the House are so far to the extreme that no one even considers if it will pass, but, how many in the GOP will vote for it. The problem is explaining to conservatives (more like regressives) that their bills will never become law because the nature of the bills are so 'fucked in the head'. To put another way, it would be like Democrats sending bill after bill that effectively destroys the 2nd amendment; why would Republicans sign off in agreement?

As we head into the next election, it looks like the Republicans will hold the House. Yes,....ANOTHER.....two years of completely and total useless bullshit. The country has hundreds of real problems; but I do not expect any of those Republicans to give a shit. An that is why their party is sinking into nothingness. They have the view point 'do as we say or else'. That is no way to run a nation!

Republicans and conservatives do not learn from history. The more they piss off people of every kind; the less that will vote them into power. As it stands, there are a number of red states that will be purple or even blue within ten years. But we do not have to wait that long, just another few months. Trump and Cruz will destroy any remaining integrity and dignity the Republican party has left (an they are already at the bottom of the barrel). Doesn't matter which of those two gains the nomination; the other's supporters will simply seek revenge.

America is about liberty, freedom, progress, innovation, equality. These are traits not found.....EVER....in the Republican Party. In fact, one can find their opposites 'alive and well' in the GOP.

I feel sorry for the actual Republicans whom are actually Republican (all the others are just fakes whom have hijacked the party). The ones whom are conservative, yet, will 'give and take' on a bill to help it become law. Or to get resources moving again. These people make up a tiny portion of the total population of the GOP. They are good people at their hearts; but they have allowed for any of a million reasons; allowed the party to become a mere shadow of the Party of Lincoln.


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RE: Suggested reading for all republicans, right wing too. - 4/21/2016 6:34:30 PM   
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quote:

you place your opinion at the same level as a nationally published journalist, reported in multiple newspapers/aggregators./blogs.

Well yes, that is because I am capable of independent thought and do not feel the need to see what somebody else thinks before I can decide what I think.
What's more, how is it different from what you do?
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You compound this hubris by failing to support your position by any cites.

Cites? Really? Once again, what is wrong with thinking for oneself. Yes citations are useful for detailing the accuracy of things like statistics, but do you really need some "expert" to validate your opinion? I am expressing an opinion, which is what one does in a discussion, the point of a discussion is to exchange ideas, not to prove everybody else wrong.
Also, one can find a citation to back up damned near anything you want to back up, that doesn't mean it is right, or that the opinion you are backing up has any more validity than any other.
The other reason I am not providing citations is because the things I said are really simple historical facts that are, or at least ought to be, common knowledge.


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RE: Suggested reading for all republicans, right wing too. - 4/21/2016 6:36:58 PM   
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To put another way, it would be like Democrats sending bill after bill that effectively destroys the 2nd amendment; why would Republicans sign off in agreement?

The record is quite clear that the most draconian anti gun laws were created by the republicrats not demopubs..read "brady bill"...think about that for a moment and see how it fits your narative.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

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RE: Suggested reading for all republicans, right wing too. - 4/21/2016 6:42:31 PM   
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America is about liberty, freedom, progress, innovation, equality.

Since when?


These are traits not found.....EVER....in the Republican Party.

Have you a clue why the republicrat party came into being?
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.






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RE: Suggested reading for all republicans, right wing too. - 4/21/2016 7:01:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: joether

America is about liberty, freedom, progress, innovation, equality.

Since when?


Since long before your mother was a concept.

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These are traits not found.....EVER....in the Republican Party.

Have you a clue why the republicrat party came into being?
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.


"Founded by anti-slavery activists, modernists, ex-Whigs, and ex-Free Soilders in 1854..." SOURCE

It was once a noble and good party. Then Clinton's second term came about and things went down hill. As President Obama was elected to his first term, that hill became a cliff. The GOP was only to eager to ride right off it. Now they are at terminal velocity.

Why should the rest of the nation suffer from them?




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RE: Suggested reading for all republicans, right wing too. - 4/21/2016 7:30:49 PM   
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America is about liberty, freedom, progress, innovation, equality.

Since when?


Since long before your mother was a concept.

I would suggest a history book written for someone beyond the fifth grade might disabuse you of your ignorance.

These are traits not found.....EVER....in the Republican Party.

Have you a clue why the republicrat party came into being?
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.


"Founded by anti-slavery activists, modernists, ex-Whigs, and ex-Free Soilders in 1854..."
It was once a noble and good party.

Which proves the lie/inorance of your first statement. This is the point where an honest person makes the observation that they had their head up their ass and appologizes...
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RE: Suggested reading for all republicans, right wing too. - 4/21/2016 8:00:02 PM   
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I would suggest a history book written for someone beyond the fifth grade might disabuse you of your ignorance.


Your a little man with a little man brain and little man dick....

You don't know how to use any of them, because none of those were covered in the grade levels you attended (K-5th if your wondering).

If your really wishing history books, then travel to a place called Boston, Massachusetts. Pick any of the large universities in and around the town. They have quite a selection of old history books that explain things minus all the political bullshit of newer history books. In those history books, the nation was founded on concepts that the Republican Party of today would find totally alien: freedom, liberty, discovery, education, innovation.

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Which proves the lie/inorance of your first statement. This is the point where an honest person makes the observation that they had their head up their ass and appologizes...


Proves nothing. The Republican Party started off as something good and become evil in recent years. They have no regard for accountability or responsibility with power. Nor an understanding of history or science. An honest person could quickly recognized these concepts from simple observation of history from the Clinton's second term onto the present. Now one studied to understand and detect the use of NPL would quickly find the reasons that explain why conservatives are so fucking brainwashed. In fact, one only needs to rattle off four or six words or phrases and you could have a conservative ready to accept anything you tell them. Regardless of how fictitious the concept might sound. They will accept it as fact and truth. Or have you not been paying attention to all the mindless rantings by conservatives on Climate Change threads for the past two years?




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RE: Suggested reading for all republicans, right wing too. - 4/21/2016 8:06:32 PM   
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Your a little man with a little man brain and little man dick....


Only someone who has had my cock in their mouth could make such a determination.


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RE: Suggested reading for all republicans, right wing too. - 4/21/2016 8:24:42 PM   
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There was a time when both parties appealed on the basis of actually being the better at operating all levels of govt. and especially the executive.

And when was this golden age?

Well considering Reagan got just about everything he asked for, his tax cuts, his tripling of the payroll tax, the tax reform of 1986, his defense build up, crushed the air controllers and then went after all other unions and all from a dem congress no less, I'd say that the liberals kissed his ass while repubs could do no wrong...all started at the end of 1988 even though Bush 1 got what he wanted too.

Neither was ever even close to being legally incriminated in Iran/Contra even though the case was at least as strong as the case against HRC and very likely stronger given the 5 pardons by Bush 1 all while there was just 1 big congressional hearing which never came close to impeachment like the repubs did to WJC. I'd say the dems laid over and the by the end of Bush 1's term...the fight was on. So let's review.

There was much greater bipartisanship and almost no obstructionism during Truman, Ike, Kennedy, LBJ, Nixon, Carter and...see above. I'd call that 40 years at least.

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RE: Suggested reading for all republicans, right wing too. - 4/21/2016 8:28:52 PM   
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You know, none of this is actually new in US politics.

Oh yes it is. There was a time when both parties appealed on the basis of actually being the better at operating all levels of govt. and especially the executive.

They've instead impeached a dem on a civil court proceeding while failing to even reign in Regan or Bush I. With the likes of only Trump and Cruz, and they lose but save the house, mostly because of rural appeal AND gerrymandering, they can still play the obstruction game rather than negotiate true solutions to problems. I am sure they will continue to go after Obamacare and resist anything out of the senate om immigration.

That means tax reform only on their terms, immigration reform the same. Still more local (state) laws allowing discrimination, voted ID hurdles and obstruction to abortion. Maybe even more govt. shutdowns.

Except of course that what Messrs Hacker and Pierson have to say...is true.

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RE: Suggested reading for all republicans, right wing too. - 4/21/2016 8:38:37 PM   
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Remember, the key event triggering the secession of the southern states was Lincoln's election. They were so pissed off that somebody they didn't want had won that they decided to outright quit the country.

Well they knew Lincoln would side with the abolitionists and showed themselves as the lazy, greedy, slave owning scum they were and didn't want to actually have to pick that cotton (do any manual labor) themselves. No, they were the very essence of the hypocritical, fat, lazy oligarchs who wanted to party and make mulatto babies. The south made sure that the issue of slavery didn't qualify as a test bed for bipartisanship.

The rest was states right and cultural tradition jingoism.

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RE: Suggested reading for all republicans, right wing too. - 4/21/2016 9:02:55 PM   
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quote:

you place your opinion at the same level as a nationally published journalist, reported in multiple newspapers/aggregators./blogs.

Well yes, that is because I am capable of independent thought and do not feel the need to see what somebody else thinks before I can decide what I think.
What's more, how is it different from what you do?
quote:

You compound this hubris by failing to support your position by any cites.

Cites? Really? Once again, what is wrong with thinking for oneself. Yes citations are useful for detailing the accuracy of things like statistics, but do you really need some "expert" to validate your opinion? I am expressing an opinion, which is what one does in a discussion, the point of a discussion is to exchange ideas, not to prove everybody else wrong.
Also, one can find a citation to back up damned near anything you want to back up, that doesn't mean it is right, or that the opinion you are backing up has any more validity than any other.
The other reason I am not providing citations is because the things I said are really simple historical facts that are, or at least ought to be, common knowledge.


Wait, can you cite this?
Rofl lmao
Everything must be links from websites, cut and paste articles, cited or quoted from some source, or its not credible!!!!
Only links from website's on the internet are credible, damn it!


How dare you have an opinion and be capable of thinking, without 10 links or websites to substantiate your thoughts!
Damn damn damn


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RE: Suggested reading for all republicans, right wing too. - 4/21/2016 9:13:40 PM   
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That actually has nothing to do with what we were talking about, or at least what I was talking about.

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