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The next Opera browser release will come with free VPN - 4/24/2016 9:02:19 PM   
crumpets


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So, it's just not worth spending time here.

Nonetheless, before I saw that the threads were all deleted, I had come to update the VPN (virtual private network) thread, that Opera, a mainstream browser, is releasing on all platforms (all desktops and all mobile devices) with free VPN.

This is a BIG DEAL, as that will make VPN easy for everyone, and, eventually, (my prediction), we'll all be using VPN where unencrypted connections will go the way of the dinosaur.

In the future, all your electronic communications will be end-to-end carry-forward encrypted, so, this new release of Opera is a huge step forward for privacy on the net.

I won't bother to provide more details, since it's a waste of my time to try (the admins don't even bother to give me a courtesy note saying they're deleting perfectly good and appropriate threads).

Encryption is the net default now, and for the foreseeable future.

Good luck, and stay as private as you can.
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RE: The next Opera browser release will come with free VPN - 4/25/2016 8:02:38 AM   
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This is likely my last post to this forum because I put countless hours into helping people here, and I see, after a month or so away, that all my threads have been deleted.

So, it's just not worth spending time here.

Could that be because you just over-hyped some points and missed some glaring truths that you omitted??

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ORIGINAL: crumpets
Nonetheless, before I saw that the threads were all deleted, I had come to update the VPN (virtual private network) thread, that Opera, a mainstream browser, is releasing on all platforms (all desktops and all mobile devices) with free VPN.

Sorry to burst your bubble again crumpets, Opera is NOT mainstream and never has been.
According to this site, Opera only has 0.59% of market share for desktops.
Throughout it's lifespan, it never has reached the dizzy heights of being 'mainstream'.

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ORIGINAL: crumpets
This is a BIG DEAL, as that will make VPN easy for everyone, and, eventually, (my prediction), we'll all be using VPN where unencrypted connections will go the way of the dinosaur.

Hopefully by NOT using a VPN as default.

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ORIGINAL: crumpets
In the future, all your electronic communications will be end-to-end carry-forward encrypted, so, this new release of Opera is a huge step forward for privacy on the net.

And hopefully, even less people will invest in using Opera than they have been.

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ORIGINAL: crumpets
I won't bother to provide more details, since it's a waste of my time to try (the admins don't even bother to give me a courtesy note saying they're deleting perfectly good and appropriate threads).

Sorry crumpets, your idea of 'perfectly good and appropriate threads' were overtly skewed and horribly biased and didn't tell the whole truth of what you were extolling so vociferously.

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Encryption is the net default now, and for the foreseeable future.

Good luck, and stay as private as you can.

Most of us are not as paranoid as you are and for most circumstances, don't need all the crud you tried to say was absolutely necessary because we use common sense and don't have sensitive info for people to grab.
So what if some snooper managed to snatch your CS username and password because it's not encrypted?
What do you think they could do with such fairly useless info - hold you to ransom for a few million?
Sheeesh man, overkill to the extreme and then some.
All you need is some common sense, not overkill like it's getting you into Fort Knox or the NSA.

Seriously crumpets, you were sounding like a salesman on steroids.
But of course, you have me on hide so you won't see my worthless ramblings.


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RE: The next Opera browser release will come with free VPN - 4/25/2016 8:51:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Crumpets, your posts might be worthy if I knew what the hell you were talking about in them. I can imagine that most here are like me. I use a computer to go online, shop, participate in forums, read the news. Then you come here and start talking about end to end carry forward encryption and VPN and I haven't the foggiest idea what you are talking about nor what it would do for me. Those around here who DO understand what you are saying do not need to be told it is happening. People like me don't care because we haven't a clue as to what it's about nor how to use it...whatever it is and whatever it's going to do.

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RE: The next Opera browser release will come with free VPN - 4/25/2016 9:58:09 AM   
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RE: The next Opera browser release will come with free VPN - 4/25/2016 10:17:57 AM   
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Crumpets, your posts might be worthy if I knew what the hell you were talking about in them. I can imagine that most here are like me. I use a computer to go online, shop, participate in forums, read the news. Then you come here and start talking about end to end carry forward encryption and VPN and I haven't the foggiest idea what you are talking about nor what it would do for me. Those around here who DO understand what you are saying do not need to be told it is happening. People like me don't care because we haven't a clue as to what it's about nor how to use it...whatever it is and whatever it's going to do.


Hi Peppermint,

Without using any fancy words, the problem, in a nutshell, is that the net wasn't initially designed with privacy in mind, so, one by one, the tech community has been shoehorning privacy "into" the net, where it didn't exist prior.

Given that privacy solutions come in all flavors, both strong and weak, free and expensive, fast and slow, etc., up until now, it took quite a bit of intelligence and technical acumen for individuals to easily prevent personal information from leaking onto the net.

The "big deal" here is that one of the hungriest of the browsers has suddenly made it both free and trivially easy for the average user to gain back some of the lost privacy on the net, keeping their personal information safer, without needing to know anything technical or to pay someone to safeguard their personal information for them!

That's a big deal which the naysayers above will completely miss.

Just as T-Mobile, by virtue of being one of the hungry cellular carriers, has changed the way the cellular industry sells plans (e.g., Verizon, in order to compete, now offers no-contract plans in direct response to the un-carrier competition), Google likewise immediately followed up on the Opera announcement with their method of easily adding powerful free privacy to the Chromium browser, even mentioning the Opera announcement in their opening statements.

All browsers will likely follow, simply because powerful free privacy is a very good thing to have.

But, you need to keep immediate perspective (which the mental midgets don't have).

Just as the 'big deal" of the recent first solar-powered round-the-world airplane flight isn't how many passengers the plane carried (it carried only the pilot), the big deal here is that this is the first release of a browser that comes native with powerful free privacy for everyone.

Within a couple of years, I predict all browsers will have powerful free privacy inherently installed, by default, so that non-technical people like you will have the privacy you need, want and deserve, without having to pay someone to do it for you, and without having to learn a single technical word.

The troll above will disagree in its many socks without providing a shred of proof (just wait and see as it posts back-to-back denials); but, as Snowden aptly stated, nobody needs to justify privacy; it's those who wish to take away your privacy who need to justify their actions.

In that regard, I see stef's other sock, the mental midget, has apparently weighed in, so, I would advise not reading whatever it wrote because all it can see are the hurdles it can't overcome (just you wait and see).

Despite its predictable back-to-back protestations to the contrary, it's the same mental midget, along with the other predictable socks of the same person - which will come along very soon since it almost always posts the same valueless drivel in a series of back-to-back posts. Just wait. You'll see. All it can see are the difficult hurdles which it can't see around, so it will say it can't do what everyone else who has even the tiniest bit of intelligence certainly can do.)

To summarize, while I, myself, don't even use Opera (or Chrome), to answer your question as simply as possible...
This announcement is a big deal because it's the first small step that gives non-technical people (like you) powerful free privacy which protects your personal information when you use the web browser of your choice on the net.


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RE: The next Opera browser release will come with free VPN - 4/25/2016 10:43:35 AM   
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RE: The next Opera browser release will come with free VPN - 4/25/2016 11:08:29 AM   
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Just as T-Mobile, by virtue of being one of the hungry cellular carriers, has changed the way the cellular industry sells plans (e.g., Verizon now offers no contract plans in direct response to the un-carrier competition)...
Ummm.... we've had this since the inception of cell phones - it's not new.
The problem is, the US is just waaay behind on some things.

All browsers will likely follow, simply because privacy is a good thing.
I sincerely hope not, because I can see one HUGE and majorly important drawback with embedding VPN into a browser.
Sure, you might get a tad more privacy, but at the expense of breaking the functionality of the browser itself.
How so??
For most of us, wherever we are in the world, all our important internet stuff is contingent on accessing our online info from the locality where we are registered.
Example: for me to access my online banking for my UK account I have to be coming from a UK IP address and the explanation is 'security reasons' (stops external people getting access to your account).

Heck, I can't even stream the BBC News or use the iPlayer unless I'm coming from a UK IP base.
So unless you can specify where in the world you 'pop out' of your VPN network (which usually defeats the object of using it in the first place), your browser, or more specifically, the website you are trying to access, won't let you do what you wanted to do and is thus completely broken and useless and won't work.
So if I wanted to watch ABC News, I have to make sure my VPN comes out in the US otherwise I won't be able to watch it - the website won't let me. If I want to access my online banking, I have to make sure it thinks I'm in the UK or it won't let me sign in to my account to get at my money.
The only way around this conundrum is to NOT use VPN (or turn the feature off) or use a different browser; which kinda fucks up the new security idea doesn't it??

So for our resident security expert to extol the virtues of in-built VPN tunneling being added to a mediocre and somewhat 'quirky' browser used by very few people just shows how little he actually knows.

ETA: Unlike crumpets, I don't have any other CS accounts. He has socks, I don't.


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RE: The next Opera browser release will come with free VPN - 4/25/2016 12:33:46 PM   
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For most of us, wherever we are in the world, all our important internet stuff is contingent on accessing our online info from the locality where we are registered.

It's not something that is always on, you have to turn it on when you want to use it, and you can turn it off.
As to the service, well it is in the beta stage, and according to a review I read on it, it is buggy as shit and tends to crash the browser, and is also very slow.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3059514/browsers/opera-browser-build-adds-a-first-free-unlimited-vpn-for-secure-surfing.html

What's more it is not an actual VPN but is rather just a proxy.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/opera-s-vpn-is-just-a-proxy-developer-says-503330.shtml
This matters because...
quote:

The difference between a secure proxy and a VPN is that a secure proxy safeguards the traffic between the browser and the proxy server, while a VPN secures all traffic, regardless of protocol.



Regarding VPNs in general, they do tend to slow your connection down as you are by definition sharing the connection of the VPN server with however many other people.


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RE: The next Opera browser release will come with free VPN - 4/25/2016 1:50:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Heck, all this talk about VPN's!!! I still don't know what the f**k it is. Don't care. Doesn't affect me as far as I can see. And Crumpets, do not tell me who to listen to and who to ignore. I am an adult and can make up my own mind as to what to believe.

If the others have offered no proof, you have not offered me any proof either. So I'll just continue to participate in forums, read the news, play games, and all the regular stuff I've done online for many years. Guess I am one of the mental midgets you rant about. You still didn't tell me anything at all or how it will affect me. I do not know what a VPN is and you apparently are incapable of explaining it in terms a non computer type geek can understand. Have a good day.

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RE: The next Opera browser release will come with free VPN - 4/25/2016 2:00:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		if you work in the office with computers, you have a shield in the vpn (you know, cant go to porn sites for instance or whatever) there is security in the VPN.....you can extend that to your personal computer that you have a virtual private network (VPN) when you are out and about on the Internet (its just some security hooey, makes it more secure).

Nothing that you would have to avoid getting drunk over. It ain't sex or nothing. Its sort of like a firewall in your browser, I suppose.

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RE: The next Opera browser release will come with free VPN - 4/25/2016 3:17:59 PM   
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RE: The next Opera browser release will come with free VPN - 4/25/2016 3:27:20 PM   
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if you work in the office with computers, you have a shield in the vpn

This is correct.
VPN is merely encryption from your computer to another computer.
I have worked in Silicon Valley for decades, and I haven't been in a company that didn't use encryption for at least half that time frame.

In the corporate setting, it's usually encryption from your computer to the inside of the company's firewall.
Usually the encryption stops once you're inside the company network.

It's the same story here, only it's a public VPN server where the encryption stops, instead of inside of a company firewall.

It's really that simple at the base level of detail.

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(you know, cant go to porn sites for instance or whatever)


While most companies enforce a NSFW "blacklist" set of blocking rules, the corporate net nanny actually has absolutely nothing to do with encryption.

I agree they almost always come together, like hamburgers and hotdogs, but they themselves are two different animals.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
there is security in the VPN.....you can extend that to your personal computer that you have a virtual private network (VPN) when you are out and about on the Internet (its just some security hooey, makes it more secure).

Yes.

The encryption makes your communication more secure.
Nothing is perfect, but strong encryption is far better than no encryption at all.

HINT: There's a reason every well-run web site that enforces logins uses encryption.

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RE: The next Opera browser release will come with free VPN - 4/25/2016 3:29:30 PM   
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And this is why your posts get tossed


Actually, all the posts still exist (thanks to someone who kindly wrote me whose moniker starts with A).
http://www.collarchat.com/searchpro.asp?p=5&author=crumpets&top=100



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RE: The next Opera browser release will come with free VPN - 4/25/2016 3:31:24 PM   
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RE: The next Opera browser release will come with free VPN - 4/25/2016 3:31:45 PM   
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This is likely my last post to this forum because I put countless hours into helping people here, and I see, after a month or so away, that all my threads have been deleted.

<Fast Reply.>

This was the original thing, right?

Have you changed your settings for this forum? The "Display topics from last: " to show more than the threads from just the last thirty days? I found a number of the Perv to Perv Assistance threads.



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RE: The next Opera browser release will come with free VPN - 4/25/2016 3:40:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: crumpets
This is likely my last post to this forum because I put countless hours into helping people here, and I see, after a month or so away, that all my threads have been deleted.

<Fast Reply.>

This was the original thing, right?

Have you changed your settings for this forum? The "Display topics from last: " to show more than the threads from just the last thirty days? I found a number of the Perv to Perv Assistance threads.




OOoooooh. Thank you.
That's why I like you!

You can TEACH ME something!

This is a simple detail, that I overlooked myself (having not even thought about it).

Heh heh ... having left the forum because of the plethora of mental midgets, I was wholly unaware that the forum defaults (apparently) CHANGED!

Woo hoo! They're back!

oooh. I love learning from you!
I stand fully and completely corrected!

Thank you very much for pointing this out to me!
Mea cuilpa!

You're a charm!

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RE: The next Opera browser release will come with free VPN - 4/25/2016 4:02:25 PM   
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A few years back, I was in the position of re-writing my own bio. I'd had a bunch of postings in Upcoming Events, and couldn't figure out why I couldn't find them. Somebody pointed it out to me that my settings weren't correct. In two clicks, I found what I was escaping me.

Best of luck.



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RE: The next Opera browser release will come with free VPN - 4/25/2016 4:11:18 PM   
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if you work in the office with computers, you have a shield in the vpn (you know, cant go to porn sites for instance or whatever) there is security in the VPN.....you can extend that to your personal computer that you have a virtual private network (VPN) when you are out and about on the Internet (its just some security hooey, makes it more secure).

Nothing that you would have to avoid getting drunk over. It ain't sex or nothing. Its sort of like a firewall in your browser, I suppose.


Thank you ten times over. Now I at least know what VPN means.

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RE: The next Opera browser release will come with free VPN - 4/25/2016 5:50:21 PM   
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RE: The next Opera browser release will come with free VPN - 4/25/2016 6:44:46 PM   
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Thank you very much but I refuse to take credit.


Naaah. You get the credit anyway.
Ms. "A" wrote to me that she found my posts, and you let me know that they were there all along.
I didn't check to see if they're all there (as I'm working on writing a program for a neighbor right now), but, that was the fundamental problem.

In this case, I missed something obvious and I very much appreciate your pointing it out to me.
Even the sock account of stef, freedomdwarf1, & Wayward5oul (all the same person) didn't catch this simple one.

They missed the opportunity of actually adding value.
Just watch. They'll have a dozen posts and won't even add the value you just added with a single post.

My predictions always come true. Just watch it play the game of back-to-back posts.

The stef, freedomdwarf1, & Wayward5oul sock stench follows on every thread as it's the same person all the time doing the same things.

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