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RE: This is What a Social Justice Warrior Looks Like - 5/11/2016 5:57:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Yes, amusing that she edited her post after my comments, eh.

Since you seem not to understand how dictionaries work, either of you, let me explain.

Proper usage occurs when the word is used in conformance with any definition.

Hence when you any Lucy are described as fascists [ intolerant, authoritarian] not to mention rude and impolite it is, indeed perfectly in accordance with standard definitions -as established by three dictionaries, to date.

So if you have a quarrel with being described as a fascist either change your conduct, or take it up with the oed. And Miriam. And dictionary.com and random and......




fuckwad, the edit was at 7.14 am, not 7.14 pm
And your post calling me a liar wasnt until
5/11/2016 6:39:58 PM


Math is hard.

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RE: This is What a Social Justice Warrior Looks Like - 5/11/2016 6:02:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		yeah I removed the fuckwad part and added his moving the goalposts on fascism and fascist too.
he is trying to wriggle out of apologising for being unable to comprehend honestly.

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RE: This is What a Social Justice Warrior Looks Like - 5/11/2016 6:42:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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Yes, amusing that she edited her post after my comments, eh.

Since you seem not to understand how dictionaries work, either of you, let me explain.

Proper usage occurs when the word is used in conformance with any definition.

Hence when you any Lucy are described as fascists [ intolerant, authoritarian] not to mention rude and impolite it is, indeed perfectly in accordance with standard definitions -as established by three dictionaries, to date.

So if you have a quarrel with being described as a fascist either change your conduct, or take it up with the oed. And Miriam. And dictionary.com and random and......



Ahem, Fascist wasnt the term from the dictionary I used, fascism was....but you moved the goalposts and just used fascist.


No actually thats just another lie. Lets quote, shall we young fascist?

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Lets highlight the important bits, shall we?

1.1(In general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice.

Notice the words 'OR". It means that facism can mean merely intolerant and authoritarian. Well, like you, for example.

Further notice the example quoted. In fact the very FIRST example noted:

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(ex)this is yet another example of health fascism in action
Pretty much the poster child for left wingers now isn't it. Regardless, it perfectly supports the usage of fascism merely as authoritarian, and intolerant.

Of course, Lucy left out the bits that didn't fit her preconceived notions. Ie., notice that she left out
"Fascism tends to include a belief in the supremacy of one national or ethnic group, a contempt for democracy, an insistence on obedience to a powerful leader, and a strong demagogic approach." Gee, no mention of right wing.

In ancient Rome the fasces were the bundle of rods, with an axe through them, carried in front of a magistrate as a symbol of his power to punish people. Gee, no mention of right wing there. In fact the entire essence of it - seems to be the ability to punish people.

While we're at it lets go to the OED for another definition:

OED: Fascist: "A person who is very intolerant or domineering "

You liberals knew that RM and myself used the word correctly; you knew the dictionary definition was correct. You lied in the application of the definition of definition from the OED, as nearly as I can tell merely to smear other people.

Pretty much doing what liberals always do. If you don't want to be compared to other fascist organizations - stop acting like them.


So no, I didn't just use fascist now did I.


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RE: This is What a Social Justice Warrior Looks Like - 5/11/2016 6:50:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		I used facism(my dictionary oed) you atttempted to obliterate what I said (badly) then went on to determine what a fascist was.\

Oh and wheres your time stamp bullshit ?

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RE: This is What a Social Justice Warrior Looks Like - 5/12/2016 1:28:02 AM   
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Left-wing fascism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_fascism

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RE: This is What a Social Justice Warrior Looks Like - 5/12/2016 3:06:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		It seems that our beloved looney Right wingnuts can add innumeracy to their not terribly enviable list of talents. The other talent highlighted in this thread is their ability to cherry pick meanings to suit their immediate purposes . As they seem to have difficulties understanding everyday English words and their meanings, it might help to go back to the beginning.

All this started over respectmen's use of the term 'fascist' at the beginning of the thread. According to RM: "A fascist can be anyone from any side of the political spectrum. Right wing, left wing, any wing."(post #6). When several people challenged this claim, RM insisted (post #13)"fascism is NOT a specific political philosophy. "

So the core issue here is whether fascism is a specific political ideology or not. Definitions of the term fascism were produced from several dictionaries, all of which were unanimous in declaring fascism to be a specific political ideology. There are other meanings and usages of the term but they are irrelevant to this discussion. For this discussion, the key point of contention is whether the claims RM made in post #6 and Post # 13 are correct.

And the unambiguous answer is that RM's claims are false. Fascism is a specific extreme right wing political ideology, as any reasonably politically aware adult will tell you and as the dictionaries confirm.

Why are RM and Phydeaux still arguing this point? Apart from the obvious explanation - that RM and Phydeaux are political illiterates who don't know the meanings of the terms they use - RM's and Phydeaux's behaviour is consistent with the observation that I first made at the end of post #141 @ http://www.collarchat.com/m_4906665/mpage_8/key_/tm.htm#4908870 - that they are incapable of admitting they are wrong, even when their idiotic claims are so flagrantly contradicted by the facts.

There is a clear pattern emerging over several threads of their refusal to accept that the facts refute their inane claims even when it's so obvious a blind person could see it. For Phydeaux and RM facts are not facts as the rest of the world understands the term, for this very odd couple of looney Right wingers, facts are only things that confirm their political views and prejudices.

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RE: This is What a Social Justice Warrior Looks Like - 5/12/2016 3:19:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		This is an easy game to play.

Look up the google meaning of "sexism" for example.

https://www.google.com.au/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=alY0V7OkCKPM8gfOoJn4BQ&gws_rd=ssl#q=sexism+meaning

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prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex.


This is absolutely false as sexism happens nearly equally against men. It's not "typically" against women.

The same can apply to "fascism"...it's a biased definition that only points it at a certain group while ignoring that other groups to be fascist too. Fascism is an action, not something that's specific to a certain political side. Just like sexism, sexism is an action, not something that's specific to an gender.


Leftists just don't want to admit that their side of the political spectrum also has attitudes of fascism. Which is simply authoritarian, violent, domineering behaviour to gain power.


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RE: This is What a Social Justice Warrior Looks Like - 5/12/2016 3:25:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's as silly as saying that it's only murder when a right wing person kills another. It's not murder when a left wing person kills another.

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RE: This is What a Social Justice Warrior Looks Like - 5/12/2016 3:30:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry Nick. You don't get to change the English language to suit your looney propaganda campaign. You don't get to redefine 'fascism', 'feminism', 'left-wing' just because you don't like their commonly-accepted meanings.

And while I'm at it, you might want to look up the word 'typically'.

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RE: This is What a Social Justice Warrior Looks Like - 5/12/2016 3:33:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Can Fascist Facebook Rig Election To Stump Trump?

http://www.infowars.com/can-fascist-facebook-rig-election-to-stump-trump/

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RE: This is What a Social Justice Warrior Looks Like - 5/12/2016 3:37:24 AM   
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And while I'm at it, you might want to look up the word 'typically'.


Speaking of sexism and the word typically. Let's think about patriarchy blaming or a man deemed guilty until proven innocent of being a user for sex just for seeking sexual favours.

Or let's look at things like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fL9RmVtMP0

Ignorant fucktard.

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RE: This is What a Social Justice Warrior Looks Like - 5/12/2016 3:50:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		'The uploader has not made this video available in your country'.

What a shame. I was looking forward to the sparkling wisdom that I have no doubt I would have gained from that video.

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RE: This is What a Social Justice Warrior Looks Like - 5/12/2016 3:58:13 AM   
respectmen


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Status: offline 		Same video, another uploader.

discrimination against men

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO7YF7BfgXk


Not to mention:

A male victim of rape is not taken as seriously as a female victim of rape = sexism against men

A male victim of DV isn't taken as seriously compared to a female victim of DV = sexism against men

The empathy gap

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKJ8x9ut1hU

The sentencing gap in the justice system

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usq-IHT5ARc

Do you want me to go further?




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RE: This is What a Social Justice Warrior Looks Like - 5/12/2016 4:05:34 AM   
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PeonForHer
'The uploader has not made this video available in your country'.

What a shame. I was looking forward to the sparkling wisdom that I have no doubt I would have gained from that video.

I got to view the video in all its splendour. It's a direct take from Infowars/Alex Jones whinging about alleged lefty bias in the media. Yes that's right, that well known paragon of unbiased, absolutely facts-only, ethical journalism Alex J and his Infowars website whinging about bias.... Need I say any more?

If I was you I would be seeking out the person responsible for making the video unavailable and sending them a Thank You note.

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RE: This is What a Social Justice Warrior Looks Like - 5/12/2016 4:06:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		He was talking about the discrimination against men video, dummy.

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RE: This is What a Social Justice Warrior Looks Like - 5/12/2016 4:08:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: respectmen
Do you want me to go further?


Yes - preferably to another planet.

Seriously, I'm aware of lots of these issues. (Though you have to go through a lot of BS to get to the truth underneath, I've found.) What's you point?


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RE: This is What a Social Justice Warrior Looks Like - 5/12/2016 4:10:29 AM   
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RE: This is What a Social Justice Warrior Looks Like - 5/12/2016 4:11:24 AM   
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What's you point?


Sexism isn't "typically" against women.

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RE: This is What a Social Justice Warrior Looks Like - 5/12/2016 4:15:30 AM   
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He was talking about the discrimination against men video, dummy.

The video I was discussing was one from the Infowars site discussing Facebook's alleged left wing bias and manipulation of the news at this link: http://www.infowars.com/can-fascist-facebook-rig-election-to-stump-trump/ which you posted in your post #50.

I'm not sure what you are referring to here but I don't watch all the videos you post.

Experience has taught me that most of the time, they aren't worth either the time or the effort.

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RE: This is What a Social Justice Warrior Looks Like - 5/16/2016 8:21:13 AM   
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No. can't choose to define words to suit any (your) ideology. Mussolini created the word from Fascista which he stated himself was the oh so heavenly marriage of the capitalist/corporatist and govt. It was, is and will always be...a purely right wing political phenomenon.
Fascism was never a purely right wing political phenomenon - it incorporated ideas from both right and left and defined itself in opposition to aspects of both.




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