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siamsa24 -> RE: Age is a issue now.. (12/3/2004 8:19:46 PM)
quote: Especially that 95% figure...that just seems completely off base as I also have found many more of the online trolls to be in their latter years rather than their prior as normally the younger sex fiends are out there actually having sex rather than sitting at home writing about it. I agree, that is what I have found as well.

Lordandmaster -> RE: Age is a issue now.. (12/3/2004 10:11:02 PM)
Where was that bar again? quote: ORIGINAL: deannalynn My son and I were driving by a bar and he explained to me that was where the 'cougars' hang out. He explained that a couger was an older woman who enjoys the company of a younger man.

MistressDREAD -> RE: Age is a issue now.. (12/3/2004 10:37:11 PM)
hmmm well Ill be damn so now We are catigorized as cougars in the bars by the youth I have 45 years of life experiance.... cougars sounds better then haghounds LOL anyone remember that one when it was used in the 70s ? Oh gawd there I go dating My self again~

MrThorns -> RE: Age is a issue now.. (12/4/2004 8:22:35 AM)
I have seen immaturity in many people older then myself, just as I have seen wisdom from those younger than I. I don't look at a persons age when I determine how I feel about that individual. I will admit to having some prejudices and have made assumptions about someone based on their age. Many times, my assumptions are accurate, but on occasion I do run across those old souls....or notice that this person, 20 years my senior and having 15 years more BDSM experience than I...is a blithering idiot. I have a lot more respect for a younger person that seeks out accurate information and practices their craft, than a person with 20 years of experience in throwing a whip incorrectly. As for the TNG organizations... I simply don't understand them. There are enough exclusionary organizations out there already, I don't see why there is a need to create another one. The Phoenix TNG has stated that they don't like to go to play parties with old people (Old=over 35) because it gives them images of their parents fucking. Basically...it's "Ucky". They want to be independant of the other organizations in the area, but use our dungeon space for private parties, attend our functions at discounted prices, and attend our instructional meetings. To me, it sounds like a kid who lives with their parents...cries out for independence and doesn't want to follow their parents' rules..but lives at home, and doesn't pay for rent, food, clothing, insurance, etc. So what happens when the members of this organization reaches the maximum age? Are they tied to a cross and sacrificed to the Evil powers of some cornfield somewhere as in "Children of the Corn" ? No. They make an exception for certain individuals as long as they are still attractive. Even though I am young enough and have been invited to join my local TNG organization, I won't subject myself to being a part of something that seems to be so petty. okay..this wasn't intended to be a rant...but a rant it is. ~Thorns

lilserenity -> RE: Age is a issue now.. (12/4/2004 9:40:01 AM)
[:)]HI to my Favorite couple. Now I am happy to say I have found my counterpart. And I hope W/we can be as good as MercN Beth are I love that couple and respect all their comments. Yes I know Im over doing it but I am happy now and lets say this He is older than Myselfscreams with excitement*After 7 years online meeting a dozen so called Doms my hard work and patience paid off..We have many miles to cross but we will because I have the faith as He does to join our hearts.. I will still post but lack the chatrooms, so any young en s out there that im'd me every time i entered the chatroom,mommy is taken lol...j/k but i will hope our friendships will remain ..I never thought in all my years I would ever receive the clique ever again,but I am blessed more than ever..And know this time it will last,because nothing is impossible ,together,not miles,or anything only takes a plane to close the miles within a few hours and that is Our goal next..Thank you all again and you also Merc and Beth I love you B/both you are a treasure of knowledge and advice..And now my inspiration to be almost as good..I know the syrup is running over. I will go but words are never enough to say thank you hugs and be well and warm and happy holidays from a admirer.. serenity

afmvdp -> RE: Age is a issue now.. (12/4/2004 11:49:17 AM)
To me the TNG wasn't created to exclude but to assist, it gives a first step move into the world and is geared more towards what those of us in the prior rather than the latter are more focused and interested in. It's no giant jump that people do best when with their peers and as siamsa24 and I both mentioned, sometimes Munches can be rather predatory towards new young people and so this tries to avoid that and give people a place surrounded by people in a closer peer group that they can openly discuss and communicate with. Just as Trident and some of the other leatherman groups are geared towards helping people in the gay lifestyle isn't there to exclude straight people. TNG also had a big focus on training and the sort, so people who are our elders come in to do mentoring sessions and the like. Also in TNG rules once someone is past a certain age they are supposed to be phased out of actual club membership but can be brought to the meetings as a guest of their partner if their partner is still in the same age bracket. Also TNG members are encouraged to go to the regular munch or play party meetings as well and the meetings are held on different weekends to not interfere. So at least for the TNG created down here I can say that it was made to unify the local scene not segregate or seperate it but that is also due to the massive death that florida has experienced in so many areas such as art and culture. The Shadow of the mouse is a looming figure at times.

karmaslave -> RE: Age is a issue now.. (12/4/2004 5:40:14 PM)
Why, I'm--I'm offended!* I'll have you whipper-snappers know that I've got almost 26,000 experience points - that's 7 levels, and 7 levels more than most people on this site have. I worked for those levels, too - kicking ass and taking names the only way the Generation X knows how - in *style! Why, to even begin* to discount us young folks because you haven't seen our BDSM character sheet is, at the very least, well, I shouldn't say, I couldn't say, it'd make me feel like a terrible person! You old geezers, sheesh, what if I decided to camp the enterance of "The Mall" and deny you enterance because you weren't cool or hip enough, eh? Where would you go for your fancy-pants designer Armanis then, eh? Exactly! Just remember: Tiger Woods was black before he started playing golf. Now he's one third white, one third chinese, and one third black. *karmaslave, mildly amused because he never has these problems. Then again, he has a big cock, so it all evens out in the end, doesn't it?

afmvdp -> RE: Age is a issue now.. (12/4/2004 6:36:22 PM)
karmaslave thank you for reminding me that there are indeed jackasses in the lower age bracket as well. Kudos. I just hope and pray that you are not even the slightest bit serious about levels and points and things of the sort. If so I think I just got the most heart wrenching feeling of disapointment about young people in D/s that perhaps only leo on this site has previously felt while reading topics on Gor posted by others on here. haha If this was all tounge in cheek, then dear god use an emoticon or something, you forget the subjective way in which text on the internet comes across. Winking at a one way computer screen often does no good to the reader on the other end.

karmaslave -> RE: Age is a issue now.. (12/4/2004 6:44:14 PM)
Utterly serious, unfortunately. Don't you know, chicks dig the bad boys!

knees2you -> RE: Age is a issue now.. (12/4/2004 11:14:53 PM)
If they're not over thirty, I start to worry. Merry Christmas[:D] knees2you

siamsa24 -> RE: Age is a issue now.. (12/5/2004 9:54:53 AM)
Great karmaslave, way to make all of us young people look bad. It's the people like you that make it so hard for the serious ones to get taken seriously. knees2you, Guess you'll be worrying about me for the next nine or ten years [:)] -Di

karmaslave -> RE: Age is a issue now.. (12/5/2004 2:32:06 PM)
Oh, shucks, I knew this was going to happen - but I'm a good boyscout, so when I bring it, I make sure I bring heaping bags of it, because I don't want anyone to feel left out. Think fast: Why do Muslim extremists make all of Islam's faithful flock look like bad awful terrible people? Answer: They don't. You're just lazy. "But, but..." is not an acceptable answer; its the sort of thing you hear people who just don't want to truly understand spout. It will come as a suprise - a total shock, infact - to some people that I'm not representative of the entire Young People's Alliance! Yet, of course, I am being made out to be one - why? Because it is easy and you are lazy, and it is nothing more than that. Of course, to merely say it does not necessarily make it true in any real regard, and so I'll expound upon this subject like you know I should: sensationalism and blind faith in the argument someone else poised.* Yes, that was an insult; no, I did not try to hide it behind a shallow grave of pretty flowering words, please keep your eyes on the center stage, my friends. To get right to the crux of the issue, I'll say - shamelessly, too! - that reason someone would try to objectify me as "The Reason" young people suck is simply because I am high profile and easy to hit - the qualifers for each of these reasons is that I am unabashed in saying what I mean without the filter of "mature and understanding words" that offer no other purpose than to veil the 'fuck you' inherient but hidden in the whole of the message, and, of course, the mere fact that my age is near the profile group: from a tactical standpoint, were you not to really think about it, it seems like "Win." And, (oops, not supposed to start a sentance that way), of course, it does seem like win if you hope that your target doesn't really put forth the mental effort to find any fortified reasoning behind the argument, looking for the meat on the bones, yo. And I wasn't gonna, but you're such a nice girl, I feel as if I have to explain! To say I am not serious simply because I express myself with the loose freedom typically associated with madmen, jackasses, and the kind of people you avoided in highschool because they were always laughing at you behind your back, you knew it, you couldn't prove it but you knew it, well, that's pretty pompuous - almost as pompous as I am, but not quite, because I'm in the pilot's chair, so I got that slight egotistical edge to it. You know as much about me as you know about that guy that bumped into you by accident a couple days ago. I only make us young folks look like suckah foo's because I'm one of the handful here that actually speak my mind without regard to who I'm speaking to - you've got no other effigy to crucify in my place, so I have to be your shining example of why all young people suck and you're never going to find a good serious one in your entire life, but that's ok, because I've still got ego to spare. To come full circle and end where I began, the reason you are lazy is simply because its easier to use two big boxes of black and white rather than a multitude each a unique shade of gray; all it really takes is someone with white box/black box to incite people who similar-but-not-quite philosophies to incite some sensationalist comment like 'Why are all X people Y?!' to herd the masses, and bring out in people something that was so minor a part of their mind into full bore for the audience's viewing enjoyment; thus, the meme blossoms like a rose in Spring, although not everyone subscribing to that particular philosophy will be doing so for the same reasons you are - this is where the blind faith comes in, because as long as someone else provides a senisable argument, all you have to do is pick up on it and not provide your own reasonings, right? I'm as reprenstative of young people as you are, siamas24, which is to say, I'm not. And neither are you. But, fuck, maybe I'm just rambling senselessly - either way it was a waste of 2 minutes, wasn't it? I'm still an asshole, though. "Oh, shucks, why do those darn African American "rapper folks" make the rest of us upstanding young men and women of African American heritage look so bad?!"

karmaslave -> RE: Age is a issue now.. (12/5/2004 2:33:21 PM)
To sum up my dangerously long tirade, age is as much an issue as your Calc I professor being a lesbian.

siamsa24 -> RE: Age is a issue now.. (12/5/2004 2:51:36 PM)
I was more refering to your talking about points and levels and then rounding it off with a reference to your supposedly "big cock." That, to me, says that you have no idea what this is all really about. I would have let it go, but when afmvdp asked you about it you said that you were serious. That is what I was talking about. You took all the things that make a person sound like a wannabe player, rolled them into a ball and threw them out there for the world to see. It's that kind of behavior that reflects poorly on people in the younger age braket. Maybe it is not that all young people are like you, but those are the ones that people hear about. Those are the people that everyone here on the thread was complaining about and afmvdp and I are here defending the younger age group and you come in a make a jerk out of yourself. Forgive me, this turned into a short rant, but this really ruffled my feathers.

proudsub -> RE: Age is a issue now.. (12/5/2004 2:56:08 PM)
quote: But, fuck, maybe I'm just rambling senselessly - either way it was a waste of 2 minutes, wasn't it? I'm still an asshole, though. Well you got that right. IMHO from an "old geezer"[:'(]

siamsa24 -> RE: Age is a issue now.. (12/5/2004 2:58:10 PM)
I love your signature proudsub, it's so true.

karmaslave -> RE: Age is a issue now.. (12/5/2004 3:18:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: siamsa24 I was more refering to your talking about points and levels and then rounding it off with a reference to your supposedly "big cock." That, to me, says that you have no idea what this is all really about. I would have let it go, but when afmvdp asked you about it you said that you were serious. That is what I was talking about. You took all the things that make a person sound like a wannabe player, rolled them into a ball and threw them out there for the world to see. It's that kind of behavior that reflects poorly on people in the younger age braket. Maybe it is not that all young people are like you, but those are the ones that people hear about. Those are the people that everyone here on the thread was complaining about and afmvdp and I are here defending the younger age group and you come in a make a jerk out of yourself. Forgive me, this turned into a short rant, but this really ruffled my feathers. You only take offense because I referenced a sexual organ - I could have just as easily said, "but that doesn't matter, because I have nice pants," and then you would not have much of an argument. Both are true, and both accurately reflect my personality, but one is greater than the other because it is a shaft of cartilage and the other is just fabric? Style's style, baby! Again, I don't "make" any group of people look bad. Anyone that is willing to judge an entire group of people on the actions of just one person were not really going "Oh my god group X is so 2tally kaller d00d" behind your back; they had already made up their minds, and were just waiting for a prompt so they could justify their view on the subject without really having to think about it or supplament their philosophy on the issue with any real reasoning (that or they were just too lazy to throw down). Like, dude, did you know the Falun Gong worship the devil?! They eat babies, too. Yeah, I have my own style of speaking. Its like, 2tally, oh my fucking god, d00d -- think about it; real long, real hard, not unlike the shaft of my penis, and come to the slow, mounting realization that people are not carbon copies and that each person has a unique way of being, like the many flavours available at a Baskin Robbin's. Hey, guess what - *I talk funny.* Infact, to you, I sound like a playah playah - and that makes me one, right? I mean, right? Black people suck because all rappers I see on TV suck; don't worry, I'm not racist, its what the TV tells me to think, anyway. So, in summation of your argument: young people expressing themselves in a manner that you do not particularily enjoy reflects negatively on the rest of us, I don't know what "this" is about because I express myself in the aforementioned manner, given the two aforementioned subjects, I seem like a wannabe player, because I am "high profile" I am made reprensentative of all young people for good or poor, because you are "high profile" you are made reprensentative of all young people for good or poor, and, last but not least, being "high profile" means that you should try to reflect on your age group in a positive manner without regard to personality. (I would like to get the subject matter at hand locked down so we can have an all out fist-fightin' brawl, Socratian style! Nothing like knocking minds until arguments fall become brittle and impossible to maintain, for better, for worse, as the preachers say. But I'm a freak, because my priest never felt me up.) Oh, this is getting to be fun! My mental whits are a little dull, but I'll find a nail file laying around her sooner or later! Hey, hey, you guys waiting on the sidelines with eyes burning like coal in the night fueled only by a hatred for me, speak up now, don't let poor little siamsa24 do all the work - after all, you think similarily, correct? Don't worry, my bag is big, and I'm as giving as Santa Claus! --- (missing quote, referencing proudsub being an old geezer in her own opinion, here) Oh, and, don't worry proudsub, I still love you - the wrinkles make you look like a snuggly velveteen teddybear! [:)]

afmvdp -> RE: Age is a issue now.. (12/5/2004 3:34:07 PM)
ahh...I feel much better now reading that. Just another troll. For a moment I thought someone actually believed half that shit and that delusion just disturbed me. Now it's obvious to be just kitsch. The type who never had any friends and so they put up a psuedo-wall of hard ass so that they can self impose excuses as to why no one really likes them. Don't worry little boy, someday you just might find someone you don't immediately repel with the force of an electromagnet and then you can grow and mature and evolve. I actually appreciate the tirade on here though, it forces me to adjust my mindset and return to my humble nature from which I normally reside and appreciate the gifts of life that I have been allowed to experience in my younger years. And just for a sidenote, saying that you were laughed at and singled out because you are the only one who speaks their mind is about as delusional as your masterbatory fantasies of scantily clad elf women you have in the shameful, darkened basement of your parents house. For future reference interaction with a real live woman doesn't require a character sheet and a roll of dice, maybe this is why you are so confused and unsuccessful in your search for a mate as the first response to them in wooing shouldn't be you gleaming about your +5 cock. Maybe you should take the time to interact on an intellectual level with people who are actually in the scene rather than signing into Gor chatrooms touting skill levels that no one in the real world could care less about. Feel free to contact me offsite even if you're willing to drop your shadow existence and have any hope towards trying to improve yourself. If I can redirect even one online HNG into a even slightly useful existence I've done my karmic good deed for the year and I think I could get a few years off you buddy. Seriously, like charter says, if you don't get help here please get help somewhere.

karmaslave -> RE: Age is a issue now.. (12/5/2004 3:41:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: afmvdp ahh...I feel much better now reading that. Just another troll. For a moment I thought someone actually believed half that shit and that delusion just disturbed me. Now it's obvious to be just kitsch. The type who never had any friends and so they put up a psuedo-wall of hard ass so that they can self impose excuses as to why no one really likes them. Don't worry little boy, someday you just might find someone you don't immediately repel with the force of an electromagnet and then you can grow and mature and evolve. I actually appreciate the tirade on here though, it forces me to adjust my mindset and return to my humble nature from which I normally reside and appreciate the gifts of life that I have been allowed to experience in my younger years. And just for a sidenote, saying that you were laughed at and singled out because you are the only one who speaks their mind is about as delusional as your masterbatory fantasies of scantily clad elf women you have in the shameful, darkened basement of your parents house. For future reference interaction with a real live woman doesn't require a character sheet and a roll of dice, maybe this is why you are so confused and unsuccessful in your search for a mate as the first response to them in wooing shouldn't be you gleaming about your +5 cock. Maybe you should take the time to interact on an intellectual level with people who are actually in the scene rather than signing into Gor chatrooms touting skill levels that no one in the real world could care less about. Feel free to contact me offsite even if you're willing to drop your shadow existence and have any hope towards trying to improve yourself. If I can redirect even one online HNG into a even slightly useful existence I've done my karmic good deed for the year and I think I could get a few years off you buddy. Seriously, like charter says, if you don't get help here please get help somewhere. I don't mean to be rude - I mean, I'm going its rude, anyway, but I'd at least like to keep the illusion of it for consistency's sake - but this conversation just went from "fucking around with the nubs" to an actual reasonable facisimle of a debate - wheither she meant for it to go to the next level or not, she has in essence opened the doorways to a rational forum of debate, yo. Wheither she is inclined to take the invitation - much like the one you're about to receive - is again, entirely up to her, but in the sake of being consistent... So if you, too, dear afmvdp, would like to bring it, please do so at your earliest convience, because as noted earlier, I have much in my bag to bring it, but if your entire argument consists of poorly veiled ad hominem and strawmen made of tinder, well, then, all your base are belong to us, if I may pay homage to my forefathers. Please RSVP when you have the spare time, burning eyes.

afmvdp -> RE: Age is a issue now.. (12/5/2004 3:57:48 PM)
My offer is already stated, no others will be accepted or entertained and no more time of mine will be wasted nor would I recommend anyone else wasting time with trolling but we all have free will to do as we please. I take only just enough time to extend a branch from the tree of knowledge as I believe every living man and woman has value and worth and that along your path in life whenever you run into someone who you are able to help you should do so. Otherwise I'd of left your nonsensical and illogical attempts at rusing to rot in the rest of the heap of internet trash. My words are spoken and final and this thread is closed to me now. Only a fool argues a fools arguement.

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