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RE: I get to meet the Donald tomorrow! - 5/1/2016 7:55:33 PM   
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How is it that a world wide famine that killed millions of people only in ukraine were the deaths attributable to stalin?
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

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Scholars disagree on the relative importance of natural factors and bad economic policies as causes of the famine but believe it was a long-term plan of Joseph Stalin, an attempt to eliminate the Ukrainian independence movement. Using Holodomor in reference to the famine emphasizes its man-made aspects, arguing that actions such as rejection of outside aid, confiscation of all household foodstuffs, and restriction of population movement confer intent, defining the famine as genocide; the loss of life has been compared to the Holocaust. If Soviet policies and actions were conclusively documented as intending to eradicate the rise of Ukrainian nationalism, they would fall under the legal definition of genocide.


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RE: I get to meet the Donald tomorrow! - 5/2/2016 3:18:02 AM   
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Of course, that was after Stalin killed 12,000,000 Ukraine's. Which is a perfect example of how socialism always makes things better for the people when it comes to power.

Stalin was neither a communist, nor a socialist, he was quite simply a fascist. For him, the interests of the state was the supreme consideration, which is the central hallmark of the fascist philosophy. And the interests of the state are the lowest priority under either socialism or Marxist communism, and does not even enter into most pre-Marxist communist thought.


According to your definition, has there ever been a communist nation, in the post WWI era?


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RE: I get to meet the Donald tomorrow! - 5/2/2016 3:51:56 AM   
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How is it that a world wide famine that killed millions of people only in ukraine were the deaths attributable to stalin?
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

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Scholars disagree on the relative importance of natural factors and bad economic policies as causes of the famine but believe it was a long-term plan of Joseph Stalin, an attempt to eliminate the Ukrainian independence movement. Using Holodomor in reference to the famine emphasizes its man-made aspects, arguing that actions such as rejection of outside aid, confiscation of all household foodstuffs, and restriction of population movement confer intent, defining the famine as genocide; the loss of life has been compared to the Holocaust. If Soviet policies and actions were conclusively documented as intending to eradicate the rise of Ukrainian nationalism, they would fall under the legal definition of genocide.



looking forward to your apology to johnny, thomspon.

have you ever noticed that when you call people stupid, its invariably because they know something you don't?

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RE: I get to meet the Donald tomorrow! - 5/2/2016 4:16:52 AM   
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Of course, that was after Stalin killed 12,000,000 Ukraine's. Which is a perfect example of how socialism always makes things better for the people when it comes to power.

Stalin was neither a communist, nor a socialist, he was quite simply a fascist. For him, the interests of the state was the supreme consideration, which is the central hallmark of the fascist philosophy. And the interests of the state are the lowest priority under either socialism or Marxist communism, and does not even enter into most pre-Marxist communist thought.


According to your definition, has there ever been a communist nation, in the post WWI era?



Technically there hasn't. All communist countries began as truly communist but due to naive beliefs about communism and the nature of greed with those leading the government, it warped into facism over time with leaders like Stalin, Castro, and others. They still called their countries communist, and continued spouting beliefs about people working together for the common good. But the system had been rigged by these leaders to benefit the upper class and themselves more than anything. Any communist qualities had since long disappeared from these countries as a result of these facist leaders.

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RE: I get to meet the Donald tomorrow! - 5/2/2016 4:21:40 AM   
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I did go! I'm not sure if the picture will show up Wickedsdesire but I thought of you when I bought that silly pin! Lol. Cats for Trump "The time is meow" of course the cat has the crazy hair.
I'll write what it was like in a different post.
Edited because picture didn't show up.

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RE: I get to meet the Donald tomorrow! - 5/2/2016 4:39:54 AM   
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If Mexico is so great, why don't they fuck off back there and leave America alone.

Had you ever read a history book written for someone beyond the fifth grade you would know that california used to be part of mexico before amerika took it at the point of a gun.

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RE: I get to meet the Donald tomorrow! - 5/2/2016 4:42:37 AM   
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How is it that a world wide famine that killed millions of people only in ukraine were the deaths attributable to stalin?
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

Scholars disagree on the relative importance of natural factors and bad economic policies as causes of the famine but believe it was a long-term plan of Joseph Stalin, an attempt to eliminate the Ukrainian independence movement. Using Holodomor in reference to the famine emphasizes its man-made aspects, arguing that actions such as rejection of outside aid, confiscation of all household foodstuffs, and restriction of population movement confer intent, defining the famine as genocide; the loss of life has been compared to the Holocaust. If Soviet policies and actions were conclusively documented as intending to eradicate the rise of Ukrainian nationalism, they would fall under the legal definition of genocide.

Perhaps you should attempt to acquire a history book written for someone beyond the fifth grade. After having done so perhaps you could find an adult to read and explain it to you.

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RE: I get to meet the Donald tomorrow! - 5/2/2016 4:43:53 AM   
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looking forward to your apology to johnny, thomspon.


Perhaps you too should attempt to acquire a history book written for someone beyond the fifth grade. After having done so perhaps you could find an adult to read and explain it to you.


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RE: I get to meet the Donald tomorrow! - 5/2/2016 6:06:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		We waited 3 hours to get in and one of the last to get a seat. The line went on and on and on...6000 people didn't get in and heard the event from outside.
A very high energy positive wait. You could feel the buzz, it was like bees making honey. Then the church bells started ringing, manually pulled, the non perfect sound which was very beautiful. So many people and the buzz went quiet for awhile. Rounding the turn was a cowboy with an old guitar stamped the trump train, singing orginal trump campaign songs, as you passed him, the national news truck was open and they were milling around the line, interviewing.
I talked with many supporters and what wonderful respectful fun people they are and straight forward too, which was very refreshing.
After going through high security, which was quite exciting really, because there were men in black everywhere...
We entered into the doors of a very old historical building, which is amazing btw, copper ceilings balconies, and until 2 years ago was in jeopardy of going to ruin. A free trader bought it and is restoring it to its orginal glory. The event was extremely well organized and we were seated in I would say close to the very last seats available, literally. It was an honor to be there. The United States flag bigger then life behind the stage and you knew you were experiencing something way bigger and beyond you. Supporters spoke of it and the energy flew.
The Donald was precisely on time. Although he had at least 3 other rallies he was attending that day, requiring flying to each one.
He was his typical to the point, sometimes insulting self. Lol. He spoke of being tough and some people not liking it but the people he was with love it! Admire the crassness and the non perfect political correctness.
He spoke of his foreign affairs policy, and negative campaigns against him, and dishonesty. He spoke of he reasons of how and why and who. He spoke of respecting women, military vets. He spoke of our jobs leaving our country. He spoke candidly of not hating Mexico or China but how their leaders were master chess players and our political leaders were poor to bad checker players.... Lol.
The Donald is highly misunderstood because of his exterior appearance he shows. He definitely has the power and presence of Hitler, but hitler was evil. The Donald has a great heart under that crassness. Oh and he loves Jews... Just thought I would throw that into it. He is a brilliant man.
Before his speech, we all prayed, it was pure magic, a beautiful girl sang our national anthem and we stood for the pledge and our song.
The Donald, I know could felt the support! Only one boo during his speech, the rest blow the roof off cheers.
He patiently milled with the crowd, but we left because I do not do large crowds well for very long. Unfortunately I did not wait to meet him but the experience and presence was worth the time for sure.
I never saw protesters until we left, hurling insults from across the street. Due to all the violence in past events I believe they seperated us. I'm proud to say not one arrest was made nor violent eruption.
May 1, 2016. Also named Mayday! If you know history you know what the term means. Vote in the primaries tomorrow!!!!
Fun facts:
The county I live in has uncannily predicted 30 out of 32 presidential elections.

When I left the building and the insults were being hurled I did a modified dance like this at them with my Trump sign for fun! I'm crazy like that.
http://youtu.be/QhSROXv6k9U


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RE: I get to meet the Donald tomorrow! - 5/2/2016 9:23:59 AM   
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According to your definition, has there ever been a communist nation, in the post WWI era?

First, it is not according to "my" definition, it is according to "the" definition, and no there has not been a communist nation. There have been many countries run by groups that call themselves communist, but their policies are distinctly NOT communist. Just as North Korea is neither "democratic" nor a "republic" simply by the virtue of them calling themselves the Democratic Republic of Korea, neither is any given group or party actually communist simply by virtue of them calling themselves that.
Case in point. In Canada we have two "communist" parties, and they are both among the most right wing parties in the country.

What's more, if you want to go by the Marxist version of Communism, which is likely the only one you are even slightly familiar with, there cannot be such a thing as a "communist nation", as one of the requirements for Marxist communism is that famous old "withering away of the state". In other words, BEFORE Marxist communism can come about the state/nation must cease to exist.

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RE: I get to meet the Donald tomorrow! - 5/2/2016 9:27:39 AM   
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looking forward to your apology to johnny, thomspon.

have you ever noticed that when you call people stupid, its invariably because they know something you don't?

While I appreciate the support, bounty, it isn't me he owes the apology to. It's Nnanji. The rest of his rantings don't concern me.



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RE: I get to meet the Donald tomorrow! - 5/2/2016 9:29:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		Glad you enjoyed it, however to me it all sounds like a fucking circus act. But then again that goes for pretty much any political rally as they are really about propaganda, not actual policy.

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RE: I get to meet the Donald tomorrow! - 5/2/2016 9:33:16 AM   
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All communist countries began as truly communist

This is simply not true as the vast majority of so-called communist movements are in fact Leninist movements, which are not communist at all, as they are predicated on the idea of an elite (the Party) running the show and dictating to the masses.
Another point that is extremely important is this.
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the nature of greed

This is, and has always been, the Achilles heel of all communist thought. People are fucking greedy, it's in our nature, and without some overriding principle that supersedes that basic fact of human nature, any attempt to establish a communist community will almost certainly fail. This is why pretty much all successful communist communities have been religious communities. This is something that Lenin understood and is the reason for the effective apotheosis of "the Party". The idea was to replace the devotion to religious principles with Marxist principles, but due to the inherent flaws in Marxist theory, that failed, and people continued to be driven primarily by self-interest, as is their nature.

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RE: I get to meet the Donald tomorrow! - 5/2/2016 9:33:59 AM   
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You could feel the buzz, it was like bees making honey.


More likely millions of bats in thousands of belfries.

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RE: I get to meet the Donald tomorrow! - 5/2/2016 10:07:54 AM   
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You could feel the buzz, it was like bees making honey.


More likely millions of bats in thousands of belfries.


Well you lil cocky stinker! Come to think of it maybe bats were ringing the church bells? They don't call me bat shit crazy for nothing.

Now don't soil your knickers if Trump becomes President!

I am providing this link because two of these men are complete dumb dumbs, tweedle Dee and tweedle dum.
Calling the very fiber of the united state trump supporters Rubes??? What idiots. Sore losers. They feel threatened as they should.

Talking about people who know and understand the value of the dollar. And all trump supporters are high school drop outs, or not higher education individuals! Hog wash! Complete hog wash. The negative campaign Lyin campaign trail crap. Save the special interests by God!!!.... Not!
Some people simply don't care about sophistication. Look at history. Some incredible people besides the untruths of supporters being rubes, came out complete geniuses! They didn't need a college education. Common sense and smarts can = success. Let's tell the truth too, college or not people can't find jobs because they are going global.
Remember this too. Trump will be supported with the good people! Remember it. I also was At the Actual RALLY. Press fabricate stories to fit agendas. I saw and experienced the real authentic Donald.
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RE: I get to meet the Donald tomorrow! - 5/2/2016 10:24:39 AM   
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looking forward to your apology to johnny, thomspon.

have you ever noticed that when you call people stupid, its invariably because they know something you don't?

While I appreciate the support, bounty, it isn't me he owes the apology to. It's Nnanji. The rest of his rantings don't concern me.


I do not owe you or any other punkassmotherfucker on this board an apology.

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RE: I get to meet the Donald tomorrow! - 5/2/2016 10:29:15 AM   
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They don't call me bat shit crazy for nothing.

This is hardly breaking news to anyone.

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RE: I get to meet the Donald tomorrow! - 5/2/2016 10:43:02 AM   
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They don't call me bat shit crazy for nothing.

This is hardly breaking news to anyone.


Really? Your kidding? Omg I thought it was a secret.
Ferris, you should really try being nice sometime..really.
Oh forget it I'm not NICE either.

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RE: I get to meet the Donald tomorrow! - 5/2/2016 12:55:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Let's talk about the truth. Let's talk about history. Let's talk about hitler and Stalin.
Evil MF's.
People love to hate The Donald. The truth hurts.
Those people, one leader from Russia, it makes me physically sick to talk about. EVIL and killers. Thousands to a million killed.
He was so horrible. Devastating. Evil.
We love all the good people, all over the globe.
I am an Arian.
Blond hair, blue or green eyes, very tall. Hitler took Arians and made them evil. We love gentle, calm, peaceful. Hitler was trying to clone the Master race and then if one arrived, he made them evil.
Kind nation here. We need support. Please help us.
We can no longer contain the corrupt nature nor the takers here.
If you can not/or will help us, we will no longer be available to assist you any further.


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RE: I get to meet the Donald tomorrow! - 5/2/2016 1:06:58 PM   
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People love to hate The Donald. The truth hurts.


I could be wrong but I think it's because he's a fat, ignorant, narcissistic, megalomaniac bullshitter, myself, CG.

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