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RE: Clinton vs. Trump, 2016 - 5/9/2016 10:46:40 AM   
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It's true. They will all hate him.

True enough, true enough.

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RE: Clinton vs. Trump, 2016 - 5/9/2016 10:54:20 AM   
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For years now, the GOP has regarded any tax hikes as anathema, and resisted them. They have repeatedly opposed increasing tax rates for the very rich, instead introducing lower tax rates for the wealthy. They have been so strident in their opposition to any increase in any tax that opposition to higher taxes for anyone has become a core value for conservatives (or at least that is what the GOP told us to justify their refusal to contemplate any increases in taxes). I believe that all or almost all GOP reps in Congress and the Senate have signed pledges not to increase taxers.

And now the GOP presumptive nominee, one D Trump aka The Mop has come out and stated his intention to increase taxes on the wealthy.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-idUSKCN0XZ0I3

Which kind of leaves all those conservatives who have opposed taxes hikes hook line and sinker so loudly and for so long in a bit of bind. Do they endorse The Mop's position - higher taxes for the wealthy - or do they repudiate the GOP presumptive nominee?

It seems to me that if they have principles, then they have no choice but to repudiate Trump's position. So will we see a parade of conservatives staying strong for their core principles or will we see a parade of conservative compromising their principles in an effort to get their guy into the White House?



Trump, should he be elected will accomplish much more than you expect.

Regarding tweak's vitriol.

Conservatives generally don't like taxes. We don't like gun control, we don't like deficits. Many don't like abortion.

So one can be true to one's principles and still support trump. Very rarely does one get everything one wishes in a candidate. As far as I'm concerned - he's not Hillary, and doesn't have the last name of Clinton. I'm happy as a lark.

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RE: Clinton vs. Trump, 2016 - 5/9/2016 11:51:20 AM   
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As far as I'm concerned - he's not Hillary, and doesn't have the last name of Clinton. I'm happy as a lark.


Nice to finally see an admission that this all any of the crap that's being spouted to defend the mop comes down to.

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RE: Clinton vs. Trump, 2016 - 5/9/2016 11:53:37 AM   
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nutsuckers love debt, they can make other people pay. there are no conservatives in government.

nutsuckers like to mouth platitudes, but are in love with all sorts of shit they say they are against.



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RE: Clinton vs. Trump, 2016 - 5/9/2016 12:00:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

For years now, the GOP has regarded any tax hikes as anathema, and resisted them. They have repeatedly opposed increasing tax rates for the very rich, instead introducing lower tax rates for the wealthy. They have been so strident in their opposition to any increase in any tax that opposition to higher taxes for anyone has become a core value for conservatives (or at least that is what the GOP told us to justify their refusal to contemplate any increases in taxes). I believe that all or almost all GOP reps in Congress and the Senate have signed pledges not to increase taxers.

And now the GOP presumptive nominee, one D Trump aka The Mop has come out and stated his intention to increase taxes on the wealthy.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-idUSKCN0XZ0I3

Which kind of leaves all those conservatives who have opposed taxes hikes hook line and sinker so loudly and for so long in a bit of bind. Do they endorse The Mop's position - higher taxes for the wealthy - or do they repudiate the GOP presumptive nominee?

It seems to me that if they have principles, then they have no choice but to repudiate Trump's position. So will we see a parade of conservatives staying strong for their core principles or will we see a parade of conservative compromising their principles in an effort to get their guy into the White House?



Trump, should he be elected will accomplish much more than you expect.

Regarding tweak's vitriol.

Conservatives generally don't like taxes. We don't like gun control, we don't like deficits. Many don't like abortion.

So one can be true to one's principles and still support trump. Very rarely does one get everything one wishes in a candidate. As far as I'm concerned - he's not Hillary, and doesn't have the last name of Clinton. I'm happy as a lark.


Please look up the meaning of the word 'vitriol'. It is perfectly clear from the way you have used it in your post that you don't know what it means.

It is a fact that so-called conservatives in Congress have made it a non-negotiable point that there be no tax increases whatsoever. It is a fact that almost all, if not all, the GOP Caucus has signed Norquist's 'no tax increase' pledge. It is a fact that so-called conservatives such as you have been opposing any increase in taxes on these boards for years now. This is a central plank of GOP policy.

Now along comes Trump and declares he's going to raise taxes on the wealthy. If you have any principles (which judging from the malicious crap you post elsewhere, is unlikely) you would either repudiate Trump or be forced, by supporting Trump, to repudiate your principles. I see you decline to do either.

Obvious conclusion : You have no principles

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RE: Clinton vs. Trump, 2016 - 5/9/2016 12:04:34 PM   
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As far as I'm concerned - he's not Hillary, and doesn't have the last name of Clinton. I'm happy as a lark.


Nice to finally see an admission that this all any of the crap that's being spouted to defend the mop comes down to.


I've made no bones about it - I will vote against any bush or clinton. I'll also vote against any kennedies, bayh's or Regalado's. Ie., I'm against dynasties.

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RE: Clinton vs. Trump, 2016 - 5/9/2016 12:05:00 PM   
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I think Hilary would look awesome in latex and boots cor, grasping trident fork thingy firmly. And in no way would resemble a fin domme 30 centuries past her sell by date, and answering to the name withered olde crone.

And buffoonery, quite the lad that one eh! trump, the loony one in league with Beelzebub in a bed sheet with two holes cut out of it and invoking wooo woOOOoo, and things and stuff.

Where is this final battle of doom and utter malarkey? The coliseum I hope.

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RE: Clinton vs. Trump, 2016 - 5/9/2016 12:06:16 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

For years now, the GOP has regarded any tax hikes as anathema, and resisted them. They have repeatedly opposed increasing tax rates for the very rich, instead introducing lower tax rates for the wealthy. They have been so strident in their opposition to any increase in any tax that opposition to higher taxes for anyone has become a core value for conservatives (or at least that is what the GOP told us to justify their refusal to contemplate any increases in taxes). I believe that all or almost all GOP reps in Congress and the Senate have signed pledges not to increase taxers.

And now the GOP presumptive nominee, one D Trump aka The Mop has come out and stated his intention to increase taxes on the wealthy.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-idUSKCN0XZ0I3

Which kind of leaves all those conservatives who have opposed taxes hikes hook line and sinker so loudly and for so long in a bit of bind. Do they endorse The Mop's position - higher taxes for the wealthy - or do they repudiate the GOP presumptive nominee?

It seems to me that if they have principles, then they have no choice but to repudiate Trump's position. So will we see a parade of conservatives staying strong for their core principles or will we see a parade of conservative compromising their principles in an effort to get their guy into the White House?



Trump, should he be elected will accomplish much more than you expect.

Regarding tweak's vitriol.

Conservatives generally don't like taxes. We don't like gun control, we don't like deficits. Many don't like abortion.

So one can be true to one's principles and still support trump. Very rarely does one get everything one wishes in a candidate. As far as I'm concerned - he's not Hillary, and doesn't have the last name of Clinton. I'm happy as a lark.


Please look up the meaning of the word 'vitriol'. It is perfectly clear from the way you have used it in your post that you don't know what it means.

It is a fact that so-called conservatives in Congress have made it a non-negotiable point that there be no tax increases whatsoever. It is a fact that almost all, if not all, the GOP Caucus has signed Norquist's 'no tax increase' pledge. It is a fact that so-called conservatives such as you have been opposing any increase in taxes on these boards for years now. This is a central plank of GOP policy.

Now along comes Trump and declares he's going to raise taxes on the wealthy. If you have any principles (which judging from the malicious crap you post elsewhere, is unlikely) you would either repudiate Trump or be forced, by supporting Trump, to repudiate your principles. I see you decline to do either.

Obvious conclusion : You have no principles


Doubling down on the vitriol. No new facts presented, no further refutation required. But thanks for proving my point = ).

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RE: Clinton vs. Trump, 2016 - 5/9/2016 12:13:11 PM   
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so, raising taxes on the wealthy is not a new nutsucker meme?



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RE: Clinton vs. Trump, 2016 - 5/9/2016 2:18:48 PM   
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Desi, I have to admit, that Im loving your posts right now, evil man:)


Aw, flattery will get you everywhere.


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RE: Clinton vs. Trump, 2016 - 5/9/2016 2:24:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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Desi, I have to admit, that Im loving your posts right now, evil man:)


Aw, flattery will get you everywhere.




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RE: Clinton vs. Trump, 2016 - 5/10/2016 10:08:59 PM   
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And ever so predictably .. the Clinton landslide so oft heard about here has dissolved into.....

a 1 pt race... http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/what-landslide/482088/

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RE: Clinton vs. Trump, 2016 - 5/10/2016 10:47:13 PM   
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Yeah, I am always sort of amused at any of the early predictions of landslides, etc. in any election anywhere. Electorates have time and time shown themselves to be unpredictable and very fickle. Hell at times it almost seems like they go against the pundits predictions on purpose. And yet, the pundits just keep on pontificating away, telling the people what they think and how they feel and how they will vote, despite being so often wrong.

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RE: Clinton vs. Trump, 2016 - 5/11/2016 2:20:42 AM   
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Interestingly enough, the PPP came out with polling numbers yesterday, it is really interesting:)http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_National_51016.pdf
You can download the PDF and see for yourself....


Page 1.
“Hillary Clinton certainly is favored to win the Presidential race this fall,” said
Dean Debnam, President of Public Policy Polling. “But it might not be the giant
blowout it’s been made out to be in some quarters. Donald Trump has quickly
gotten most rank and file Republican voters behind him and that has him
positioned as a modest underdog for the general rather than a massive one.”
Bernie Sanders continues to do the best in general election match ups, leading
Trump 47-37 with Johnson at 3% and Stein at 1% in the full field, and leading.
Page 2
“The biggest question in the race at this point is whether Hillary Clinton will be
able to get Bernie Sanders’ supporters unified around her once the nomination
process has run its course,” said Dean Debnam, President of Public Policy
Polling. “If she does this 4 point lead she has right now could quickly become a 6
or 8 point lead.”

Also Page 2
There's been a lot of recent coverage of Donald Trump's embrace of various
conspiracy theories, so we asked about a bunch of them on this poll to see which
ones his supporters believe and which ones even they say are a bridge too far.
Among voters with a favorable opinion of Trump:
-65% think President Obama is a Muslim, only 13% think he's a Christian.
-59% think President Obama was not born in the United States, only 23% think
that he was.
-27% think vaccines cause autism, 45% don't think they do, another 29% are not
sure.
-24% think Antonin Scalia was murdered, just 42% think he died naturally,
another 34% are unsure.
Page 3.
Much has been made of Trump's unpopularity over the course of this campaign
and certainly we find that to be the case too- only 34% of voters have a favorable
opinion of him to 61% who have an unfavorable one. But we decided to take it a
step further in finding out just how much people dislike Trump, by matching him
in a series of heads to heads with things such as root canals, cockroaches, and
even hipsters to see who voters had a higher opinion of. Here's how it stacked up:
Do you have a higher opinion of Donald Trump or
________________
Results (Trump +/-)
Hemorrhoids Trump, 45/39 (+6)
Cockroaches Trump, 46/42 (+4)
Nickelback Nickelback, 39/34 (-5)
Used Car Salesmen Used Car Salesmen, 47/41 (-6)
Traffic Jams Traffic Jams, 47/40 (-7)
Hipsters Hipsters, 45/38 (-7)
DMV DMV, 50/40 (-10)
Root Canals Root Canals, 49/38 (-11)
Jury Duty Jury Duty, 57/35 (-22)
Lice Lice, 54/28 (-26)
Public Policy Polling surveyed 1,222 registered voters from May 6th to 9th. The margin of error
is +/-3.2%. 80% of participants, selected through a list based sample, responded via the phone,
while 20% of respondents who did not have landlines conducted the survey over the internet
through an opt-in internet panel.




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RE: Clinton vs. Trump, 2016 - 5/11/2016 3:30:23 AM   
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The nice thing is, whether Trumps lowers taxes for all equally, or raise tax on the rich.
Both are things, which are fine.
I feel like people are misinterpreting what his saying. He was saying matter of fact that it might be difficult for him to push exactly his tax plan through. So he might have to compromise a little on some areas with the dems. That might involve raising some tax for the rich.

I think it's a quite a frank statement.

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RE: Clinton vs. Trump, 2016 - 5/11/2016 3:38:50 AM   
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Marla .. Maples ... Mexicans ... Muslims ...

Amazing (or maybe not) how the alliterative subconscious can come into play sometimes.

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RE: Clinton vs. Trump, 2016 - 5/11/2016 3:48:15 AM   
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The nice thing is, whether Trumps lowers taxes for all equally, or raise tax on the rich.
Both are things, which are fine.
I feel like people are misinterpreting what his saying. He was saying matter of fact that it might be difficult for him to push exactly his tax plan through. So he might have to compromise a little on some areas with the dems. That might involve raising some tax for the rich.

I think it's a quite a frank statement.


Kennedy lowered taxes, Carter reduced the deficit.

Fuckall good it did them.

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RE: Clinton vs. Trump, 2016 - 5/11/2016 3:51:48 AM   
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It's all about how pretty the horse you ride in on is, sweetheart.

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RE: Clinton vs. Trump, 2016 - 5/11/2016 4:02:54 AM   
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thats why I think he has a playdoh platform
he changes it according to his mood and the day. and the number of people upset with his comments.
He did the same with abortion, muslims, trade, taxes, minimum wage ad nauseam
He is now using a wall street man to help him with his fundraising, despiute claiming he would self fund.

Some people see it as flip flopping, some say its evolving, some say he is simply a liar and some people see it as backpedalling.


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RE: Clinton vs. Trump, 2016 - 5/11/2016 3:12:06 PM   
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thats why I think he has a playdoh platform
he changes it according to his mood and the day. and the number of people upset with his comments.
He did the same with abortion, muslims, trade, taxes, minimum wage ad nauseam
He is now using a wall street man to help him with his fundraising, despiute claiming he would self fund.

Some people see it as flip flopping, some say its evolving, some say he is simply a liar and some people see it as backpedalling.




And I keep saying - this year of all years platform almost doesn't matter. People want someone that isn't a politician. This is why sanders and bernie are doing well.

This is why trump / sanders is the best match up for the democrats.

Frankly - trump doesn't have to really defend a platform. All he really has to do is say .. I'm not hillary.

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