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Identity thieft prosecution allowed for undocumented wo... - 5/5/2016 8:43:31 PM   
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http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2016/05/02/15-15211.pdf

The 9th Circuit has determined that identity thieft lasws in and amongst themselves do not discriminate against undocumented workers. Sherrif Joe should be very happy. The case will probably be appealed to the entire court, but in the mean time the AZ Law is enforceable.
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RE: Identity thieft prosecution allowed for undocumente... - 5/5/2016 9:03:25 PM   
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I would have loved for something to happen against the illegal immigrant using my social security number. It took 5 years to straighten out my IRS issues.

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RE: Identity thieft prosecution allowed for undocumente... - 5/6/2016 5:08:08 AM   
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I would have loved for something to happen against the illegal immigrant using my social security number. It took 5 years to straighten out my IRS issues.


Were their earnings credited to your social security account?

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RE: Identity thieft prosecution allowed for undocumente... - 5/6/2016 6:30:58 PM   
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I would have loved for something to happen against the illegal immigrant using my social security number. It took 5 years to straighten out my IRS issues.


Were their earnings credited to your social security account?



Technically that would be good and bolster her retirement, but filling out the W-4 they probably claimed 16 dependents.

The legal ones get a writeoff for all their little bambinos in Mexico y'know.

And I thought you had to show ID to get a job.But not to vote of course.

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RE: Identity thieft prosecution allowed for undocumente... - 5/6/2016 7:47:51 PM   
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I would have loved for something to happen against the illegal immigrant using my social security number. It took 5 years to straighten out my IRS issues.


that so much ID theft goes on here, whose fault is that? its cuz in the US you have to give your ssn to every tom, dick & harry.. it has become a national ID number.. you need to change your laws so no one can ask for it except for tax purposes.. of course you would still be closing the barn door after the horses have left the building.. You need real privacy laws, but you dont get them without fighting for them.. and you need better laws for the security of any info the govt & businesses have, to prevent hacking, employee theft, etc.. again, Americans need to fight for that.. no one wants to bother doing that tho..


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RE: Identity thieft prosecution allowed for undocumente... - 5/6/2016 8:55:54 PM   
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http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2016/05/02/15-15211.pdf

The 9th Circuit has determined that identity thieft lasws in and amongst themselves do not discriminate against undocumented workers. Sherrif Joe should be very happy. The case will probably be appealed to the entire court, but in the mean time the AZ Law is enforceable.


What? It wasn't already a law that illegals could be prosecuted for identity theft?

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RE: Identity thieft prosecution allowed for undocumente... - 5/6/2016 9:05:29 PM   
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I would have loved for something to happen against the illegal immigrant using my social security number. It took 5 years to straighten out my IRS issues.


Were their earnings credited to your social security account?



No, social security held the funds because the names didn't match.

The primary battle was with the IRS because they told me that I wasn't claiming all of my income and was paying the incorrect amount on my taxes....even though the names didn't match.

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that so much ID theft goes on here, whose fault is that? its cuz in the US you have to give your ssn to every tom, dick & harry..


Well, in this case, it was the fault of the two Mexican gang bangers that held us up at gun point.

We had reported it, but the activity didn't catch anyone's attention for about 1.5 years and they didn't notify me until 2 years passed. (They never tried to get credit my number, they only used it for employment)

Social security did their part and issued me a new number after I received the notification and filed the necessary paperwork. But, the IRS was a nightmare.

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RE: Identity thieft prosecution allowed for undocumente... - 5/6/2016 11:19:34 PM   
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its cuz in the US you have to give your ssn to every tom, dick & harry..


Actually, no.

Required for banking account/mutual fund/CC/IRA, etc., employer, and government. Anybody and everybody asks, true, but if the phone company, internet service, or anybody else says they refuse service unless you give SSN, they are breaking the law. Believe me, I've been through all that chasing down the a-holes (from phone and internet company) who got my dad's and his wife's SSN under false pretense of "requirement." ID theft three months after.

And in any case, the subsequent ID theft my dad (actually, I, in his stead) had to deal with resulting thereby was just as illegal for that US citizen who stole it as it is for legal or illegal Mexicans. Or vice versa.

Don't carry that card on your person, and don't give the number to anyone but for financial services, employment, or government. Doesn't absolutely prevent ID theft, but reduces the odds a good bit.


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RE: Identity thieft prosecution allowed for undocumente... - 5/6/2016 11:26:20 PM   
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Well, in this case, it was the fault of the two Mexican gang bangers that held us up at gun point.

We had reported it, but the activity didn't catch anyone's attention for about 1.5 years and they didn't notify me until 2 years passed. (They never tried to get credit my number, they only used it for employment)

Social security did their part and issued me a new number after I received the notification and filed the necessary paperwork. But, the IRS was a nightmare.

oh, so you carry your ssn card with you everywhere? you dont need to cuz you dont need it everyday so why carry it? doing that just puts you at risk.. I never carry cards I use only rarely on my person, and they are hidden so if someone breaks in they arent gonna find them where I stay either.. A few years ago i found someone's wallet and it was literally 2 inches thick with all the cards he had stuffed in there.. it would have been a really big headache for him if i hadnt been honest and called him to let him know i found it.. I would bet he didnt have all the numbers and info on all those cards written down anywhere either... I lost my wallet once and i had only my DL & 1 bank card in it, that was enough of a headache to get replaced for me..

I think you were lucky that social security got you a new number so easily, but yeah, i can see how the irs would be jerks, thats in their job description & training... and at least your credit wasnt trashed as well...

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RE: Identity thieft prosecution allowed for undocumente... - 5/6/2016 11:56:12 PM   
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its cuz in the US you have to give your ssn to every tom, dick & harry..


Actually, no.

Required for banking account/mutual fund/CC/IRA, etc., employer, and government. Anybody and everybody asks, true, but if the phone company, internet service, or anybody else says they refuse service unless you give SSN, they are breaking the law. Believe me, I've been through all that chasing down the a-holes (from phone and internet company) who got my dad's and his wife's SSN under false pretense of "requirement." ID theft three months after.

And in any case, the subsequent ID theft my dad (actually, I, in his stead) had to deal with resulting thereby was just as illegal for that US citizen who stole it as it is for legal or illegal Mexicans. Or vice versa.

Don't carry that card on your person, and don't give the number to anyone but for financial services, employment, or government. Doesn't absolutely prevent ID theft, but reduces the odds a good bit.


In Canada you are only required to give your sin (like your ssn) for tax purposes only, so it shouldnt even be given to banks unless its for an interest bearing account, its also not required to access your credit bureau files either.. and its easier to tell the a-holes there to FO cuz the privacy laws are stronger there than they are here..

There are so many breaches now, even the irs has been hacked.. a couple of years ago Experian let some singaporian con artist walk right in & have access to hundreds of thousands of files.. then they have several months before they even have to tell you what happened, by then your info has been sold over and over on the dark web & the damage has been done.. these companies should be forced to pay real compensation for crappy security, not just give victims that stupid credit monitoring crap/scam.. its disgusting that they get away with that..

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-experian-databreach-idUSBREA321SL20140403

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RE: Identity thieft prosecution allowed for undocumente... - 5/7/2016 12:00:41 AM   
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oh, so you carry your ssn card with you everywhere? you dont need to cuz you dont need it everyday so why carry it? doing that just puts you at risk..


It was in my wallet because I had needed it for work the day before and had forgotten that it was in my wallet.

But, you're right...entirely my fault. The guys who robbed us at gun point, then sold my number and the person who bought the number to gain illegal employment are completely innocent.


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RE: Identity thieft prosecution allowed for undocumente... - 5/7/2016 12:21:55 AM   
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its cuz in the US you have to give your ssn to every tom, dick & harry..


Actually, no.

Required for banking account/mutual fund/CC/IRA, etc., employer, and government. Anybody and everybody asks, true, but if the phone company, internet service, or anybody else says they refuse service unless you give SSN, they are breaking the law. Believe me, I've been through all that chasing down the a-holes (from phone and internet company) who got my dad's and his wife's SSN under false pretense of "requirement." ID theft three months after.

And in any case, the subsequent ID theft my dad (actually, I, in his stead) had to deal with resulting thereby was just as illegal for that US citizen who stole it as it is for legal or illegal Mexicans. Or vice versa.

Don't carry that card on your person, and don't give the number to anyone but for financial services, employment, or government. Doesn't absolutely prevent ID theft, but reduces the odds a good bit.


In Canada you are only required to give your sin (like your ssn) for tax purposes only, so it shouldnt even be given to banks unless its for an interest bearing account, its also not required to access your credit bureau files either.. and its easier to tell the a-holes there to FO cuz the privacy laws are stronger there than they are here..

There are so many breaches now, even the irs has been hacked.. a couple of years ago Experian let some singaporian con artist walk right in & have access to hundreds of thousands of files.. then they have several months before they even have to tell you what happened, by then your info has been sold over and over on the dark web & the damage has been done.. these companies should be forced to pay real compensation for crappy security, not just give victims that stupid credit monitoring crap/scam.. its disgusting that they get away with that..

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-experian-databreach-idUSBREA321SL20140403


Wow, it must be really easy to have income by illegal means in Canada, then, as long as you stash it in a non-interest bearing account.

It's all about taxes and the IRS in the US. The requirement of taxation requires in turn accurate reporting of income, the same in every country (except for maybe Canada). The bank, CC company, etc. and employer require it because the IRS requires it of -them- (for tax purposes), so that if, e.g., you report $55,000 income on your tax return, but have deposited $250,000 in the bank and mutual fund, and put $150,000 on the CC, the IRS gets 'better acquainted' with you soon enough.

Unless you do that in Canada via the non-interest bearing bank account, as you say.



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RE: Identity thieft prosecution allowed for undocumente... - 5/7/2016 8:11:56 AM   
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oh, so you carry your ssn card with you everywhere? you dont need to cuz you dont need it everyday so why carry it? doing that just puts you at risk..


It was in my wallet because I had needed it for work the day before and had forgotten that it was in my wallet.

But, you're right...entirely my fault. The guys who robbed us at gun point, then sold my number and the person who bought the number to gain illegal employment are completely innocent.


I never said it was your fault anymore than if they stole your car or broke into your house. I have never carried my card with me, not even to open a bank account, I have just given them the number.. If I had my card in my wallet when i lost it I would have likely had a lot of problems as well too. You take security precautions with your home, this is no different but sometimes shit happens..

The company that hired the person using your ssn isnt innocent either, which makes me wonder why they didnt find out it wasnt that persons number when remitting payroll taxes & deductions to the irs, cuz as i understand it, if the remittances are given in an incorrect name to their records for that ssn, the irs lets the business know this in the first month or two and wants it corrected & keeps sending notices to the business.. so it seems to me that both the business & irs knew or had a pretty good idea what was going on 2 years before you did..

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RE: Identity thieft prosecution allowed for undocumente... - 5/7/2016 8:39:09 AM   
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its cuz in the US you have to give your ssn to every tom, dick & harry..


Actually, no.

Required for banking account/mutual fund/CC/IRA, etc., employer, and government. Anybody and everybody asks, true, but if the phone company, internet service, or anybody else says they refuse service unless you give SSN, they are breaking the law. Believe me, I've been through all that chasing down the a-holes (from phone and internet company) who got my dad's and his wife's SSN under false pretense of "requirement." ID theft three months after.

And in any case, the subsequent ID theft my dad (actually, I, in his stead) had to deal with resulting thereby was just as illegal for that US citizen who stole it as it is for legal or illegal Mexicans. Or vice versa.

Don't carry that card on your person, and don't give the number to anyone but for financial services, employment, or government. Doesn't absolutely prevent ID theft, but reduces the odds a good bit.


In Canada you are only required to give your sin (like your ssn) for tax purposes only, so it shouldnt even be given to banks unless its for an interest bearing account, its also not required to access your credit bureau files either.. and its easier to tell the a-holes there to FO cuz the privacy laws are stronger there than they are here..

There are so many breaches now, even the irs has been hacked.. a couple of years ago Experian let some singaporian con artist walk right in & have access to hundreds of thousands of files.. then they have several months before they even have to tell you what happened, by then your info has been sold over and over on the dark web & the damage has been done.. these companies should be forced to pay real compensation for crappy security, not just give victims that stupid credit monitoring crap/scam.. its disgusting that they get away with that..

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-experian-databreach-idUSBREA321SL20140403


Wow, it must be really easy to have income by illegal means in Canada, then, as long as you stash it in a non-interest bearing account.

It's all about taxes and the IRS in the US. The requirement of taxation requires in turn accurate reporting of income, the same in every country (except for maybe Canada). The bank, CC company, etc. and employer require it because the IRS requires it of -them- (for tax purposes), so that if, e.g., you report $55,000 income on your tax return, but have deposited $250,000 in the bank and mutual fund, and put $150,000 on the CC, the IRS gets 'better acquainted' with you soon enough.

Unless you do that in Canada via the non-interest bearing bank account, as you say.


WTF? having money in a bank account does not mean you earned it illegally.. it could be an inheritance, it could be a gift, it could be from selling a vehicle or property, it could be from someone paying off money you loaned to them.. it in no way means you arent paying your taxes.. the bank having your sin/ssn doesnt keep anyone from having illegal income.. if you dont earn interest on that money in the bank then the govt isnt informed about what you have in that account, so them having your number doesnt prevent a damn thing.. Half the world's money laundering from drugs & crime comes thru US banks, ffs..

"Estimates are that $500 billion to $1 trillion of international criminal proceeds are moved internationally and deposited into bank accounts annually. It is estimated that half of that money comes to the United States"."

http://rense.com/general28/money.htm

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RE: Identity thieft prosecution allowed for undocumente... - 5/7/2016 8:50:40 AM   
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FR, and I am having trouble with the link so... But

It occurred to me that if there has to be a court ruling that illegal aliens can be prosecuted for fraud, there is something very wrong here. Who estopped these prosecutions ? Who argued the case, La Raza or something ? Seriously, why was such case even necessary ? ;

People don't get it, and that means in government. Illegal aliens do not have any Constitutional rights.

When a US Citizen goes to Dubai and gets raped, did she have any Constitutional rights ? Nope. They nicely agreed to let her out of jail and go home. How very pleasant of them. But they were under no obligation to do so because when you go there you are subject to their laws.

So illegals cannot be discriminated against ? As long as they come up with ANY SSN you HAVE to hire them, and then get fined for hiring an illegal ?

What kind of fucking country is this ?

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RE: Identity thieft prosecution allowed for undocumente... - 5/7/2016 8:51:50 AM   
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Oh, or get charged with discrimination ?

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RE: Identity thieft prosecution allowed for undocumente... - 5/7/2016 10:08:25 AM   
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FR, and I am having trouble with the link so... But

It occurred to me that if there has to be a court ruling that illegal aliens can be prosecuted for fraud, there is something very wrong here. Who estopped these prosecutions ? Who argued the case, La Raza or something ? Seriously, why was such case even necessary ? ;

People don't get it, and that means in government. Illegal aliens do not have any Constitutional rights.

When a US Citizen goes to Dubai and gets raped, did she have any Constitutional rights ? Nope. They nicely agreed to let her out of jail and go home. How very pleasant of them. But they were under no obligation to do so because when you go there you are subject to their laws.

So illegals cannot be discriminated against ? As long as they come up with ANY SSN you HAVE to hire them, and then get fined for hiring an illegal ?

What kind of fucking country is this ?

T^T

ummm.. i think thats why the govt has its iverify website, i think that gives businesses an out for not hiring anyone that doesnt have a ssn in their name (no matter if they are legal or illegal).. thats why that site exists, right?

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RE: Identity thieft prosecution allowed for undocumente... - 5/9/2016 1:48:23 AM   
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its cuz in the US you have to give your ssn to every tom, dick & harry..


Actually, no.

Required for banking account/mutual fund/CC/IRA, etc., employer, and government. Anybody and everybody asks, true, but if the phone company, internet service, or anybody else says they refuse service unless you give SSN, they are breaking the law. Believe me, I've been through all that chasing down the a-holes (from phone and internet company) who got my dad's and his wife's SSN under false pretense of "requirement." ID theft three months after.

And in any case, the subsequent ID theft my dad (actually, I, in his stead) had to deal with resulting thereby was just as illegal for that US citizen who stole it as it is for legal or illegal Mexicans. Or vice versa.

Don't carry that card on your person, and don't give the number to anyone but for financial services, employment, or government. Doesn't absolutely prevent ID theft, but reduces the odds a good bit.


In Canada you are only required to give your sin (like your ssn) for tax purposes only, so it shouldnt even be given to banks unless its for an interest bearing account, its also not required to access your credit bureau files either.. and its easier to tell the a-holes there to FO cuz the privacy laws are stronger there than they are here..

There are so many breaches now, even the irs has been hacked.. a couple of years ago Experian let some singaporian con artist walk right in & have access to hundreds of thousands of files.. then they have several months before they even have to tell you what happened, by then your info has been sold over and over on the dark web & the damage has been done.. these companies should be forced to pay real compensation for crappy security, not just give victims that stupid credit monitoring crap/scam.. its disgusting that they get away with that..

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-experian-databreach-idUSBREA321SL20140403


Wow, it must be really easy to have income by illegal means in Canada, then, as long as you stash it in a non-interest bearing account.

It's all about taxes and the IRS in the US. The requirement of taxation requires in turn accurate reporting of income, the same in every country (except for maybe Canada). The bank, CC company, etc. and employer require it because the IRS requires it of -them- (for tax purposes), so that if, e.g., you report $55,000 income on your tax return, but have deposited $250,000 in the bank and mutual fund, and put $150,000 on the CC, the IRS gets 'better acquainted' with you soon enough.

Unless you do that in Canada via the non-interest bearing bank account, as you say.


WTF? having money in a bank account does not mean you earned it illegally.. it could be an inheritance, it could be a gift, it could be from selling a vehicle or property, it could be from someone paying off money you loaned to them.. it in no way means you arent paying your taxes.. the bank having your sin/ssn doesnt keep anyone from having illegal income.. if you dont earn interest on that money in the bank then the govt isnt informed about what you have in that account, so them having your number doesnt prevent a damn thing.. Half the world's money laundering from drugs & crime comes thru US banks, ffs..

"Estimates are that $500 billion to $1 trillion of international criminal proceeds are moved internationally and deposited into bank accounts annually. It is estimated that half of that money comes to the United States"."

http://rense.com/general28/money.htm


Anyone could claim that a bribe or payment for cocaine was a "gift," a payoff of a non-accounted for loan, a "loan" never intended to be paid back, for services or product rendered, etc., a "gift," because the Canadian tax people say 'OK, that's fine,' and that's all there is to it? Are you trying to tell us that every one (or ten) million $ "gift" is accepted by Canadian tax authorities at 'face value,' no question or verification at all as to legitimacy of such claim? That there is no tax on inheritance? But none of that matters, and all questioning as to source prohibited if accumulated in a non-interest bearing account in the first place?

No tax on 10 million dollar "gifts" in Canada? And no questions how that happened?

As I said before, great place to be for money obtained by illegal means, if those Canadian tax guys are such suckers.

Aside from the fact that trillions reside in the Bahamas and not in the US from illegal endeavors, Canada would absolutely take over the business of illegal funds their transfers if their banks and tax authorities were anywhere near the clods that you claim them to be.

Why don't you just go back home and STFU?




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RE: Identity thieft prosecution allowed for undocumente... - 5/9/2016 1:57:06 AM   
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"OHHH! CAAANNADAAAA!!!

Most dumbshit 'anthem' I've ever heard in my life.

But in any case, I've come across and worked with a number of Canadians ... and people from Indonesia, China, India, Egypt, Mexico, Honduras, Germany, etc., but never met such a total dumbwit as you in my life, nor met upon any of the aforementioned hating America such as you. You do nothing but harm to both mind, body, and spirit by staying in a place you have such hatred for, in an environment that so completely goes against your principles and pushes all the wrong buttons.

Go back north, get some sleep.




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RE: Identity thieft prosecution allowed for undocumente... - 5/9/2016 2:32:05 AM   
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its cuz in the US you have to give your ssn to every tom, dick & harry..


Actually, no.

Required for banking account/mutual fund/CC/IRA, etc., employer, and government. Anybody and everybody asks, true, but if the phone company, internet service, or anybody else says they refuse service unless you give SSN, they are breaking the law. Believe me, I've been through all that chasing down the a-holes (from phone and internet company) who got my dad's and his wife's SSN under false pretense of "requirement." ID theft three months after.

And in any case, the subsequent ID theft my dad (actually, I, in his stead) had to deal with resulting thereby was just as illegal for that US citizen who stole it as it is for legal or illegal Mexicans. Or vice versa.

Don't carry that card on your person, and don't give the number to anyone but for financial services, employment, or government. Doesn't absolutely prevent ID theft, but reduces the odds a good bit.


In Canada you are only required to give your sin (like your ssn) for tax purposes only, so it shouldnt even be given to banks unless its for an interest bearing account, its also not required to access your credit bureau files either.. and its easier to tell the a-holes there to FO cuz the privacy laws are stronger there than they are here..

There are so many breaches now, even the irs has been hacked.. a couple of years ago Experian let some singaporian con artist walk right in & have access to hundreds of thousands of files.. then they have several months before they even have to tell you what happened, by then your info has been sold over and over on the dark web & the damage has been done.. these companies should be forced to pay real compensation for crappy security, not just give victims that stupid credit monitoring crap/scam.. its disgusting that they get away with that..

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-experian-databreach-idUSBREA321SL20140403


Wow, it must be really easy to have income by illegal means in Canada, then, as long as you stash it in a non-interest bearing account.

It's all about taxes and the IRS in the US. The requirement of taxation requires in turn accurate reporting of income, the same in every country (except for maybe Canada). The bank, CC company, etc. and employer require it because the IRS requires it of -them- (for tax purposes), so that if, e.g., you report $55,000 income on your tax return, but have deposited $250,000 in the bank and mutual fund, and put $150,000 on the CC, the IRS gets 'better acquainted' with you soon enough.

Unless you do that in Canada via the non-interest bearing bank account, as you say.


WTF? having money in a bank account does not mean you earned it illegally.. it could be an inheritance, it could be a gift, it could be from selling a vehicle or property, it could be from someone paying off money you loaned to them.. it in no way means you arent paying your taxes.. the bank having your sin/ssn doesnt keep anyone from having illegal income.. if you dont earn interest on that money in the bank then the govt isnt informed about what you have in that account, so them having your number doesnt prevent a damn thing.. Half the world's money laundering from drugs & crime comes thru US banks, ffs..

"Estimates are that $500 billion to $1 trillion of international criminal proceeds are moved internationally and deposited into bank accounts annually. It is estimated that half of that money comes to the United States"."

http://rense.com/general28/money.htm


Anyone could claim that a bribe or payment for cocaine was a "gift," a payoff of a non-accounted for loan, a "loan" never intended to be paid back, for services or product rendered, etc., a "gift," because the Canadian tax people say 'OK, that's fine,' and that's all there is to it? Are you trying to tell us that every one (or ten) million $ "gift" is accepted by Canadian tax authorities at 'face value,' no question or verification at all as to legitimacy of such claim? That there is no tax on inheritance? But none of that matters, and all questioning as to source prohibited if accumulated in a non-interest bearing account in the first place?

No tax on 10 million dollar "gifts" in Canada? And no questions how that happened?

As I said before, great place to be for money obtained by illegal means, if those Canadian tax guys are such suckers.

Aside from the fact that trillions reside in the Bahamas and not in the US from illegal endeavors, Canada would absolutely take over the business of illegal funds their transfers if their banks and tax authorities were anywhere near the clods that you claim them to be.

Why don't you just go back home and STFU?






well that was an interesting little rant. So tell us, did you have to study somewhere to be such a classless little jerk or where you born this way?

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