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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/14/2016 2:34:54 PM   
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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/14/2016 3:48:55 PM   
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So a survey of some 36,000 people in the US is supposed to somehow be representative of the opinions of people the world over?


no it is not of course

just the laughing stock of people the world over


and very revealing about the standards of education

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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/14/2016 3:57:59 PM   
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oh I d say a good big part of the world does and feels fine with it

and can acknowledge Genesis for a good book of poetry and literature but not a book of natural science

nonetheless it is a shame, if not irresponsibility, some enforce their children being taught humbug - what a waste of time and money, and a disadvantage for children


Oh I wouldn't worry too much for the poor christians.

Average ACT score public school 20.8.
Private school: 23.2

% of graduates ready for college level work:
English 64 83
Reading 50 68
Math 44 60
Science 29 42

Probably why so many democrats believe in global warming....


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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/14/2016 4:03:27 PM   
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https://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/pubs/studies/2006461.asp
https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=55
http://www.publicpurpose.com/pp-edpp.htm

Private schools costs per student were 30.1 % less than public schools

Roman Catholic schools, which can be used as a surrogate for non-elite private schools, produced Proficient scores at 1.4 times or more the rate of public schools. The extent of the difference was described as follows:

... students at all three grades who attended non-public schools (either catholic or other non-public schools) had a significantly higher average proficiency than did students attending public schools.(9)
Table #1
National Assessment of Educational Progress
Percentage Scoring At or Above Proficient: Reading (1994)
Type of School 4th Grade 8th Grade 12th Grade
Public 24% 26% 32%
Private 38% 47% 48%
Roman Catholic 36% 47% 44%
Other 41% 48% 56%

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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/14/2016 4:31:56 PM   
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Average ACT score public school 20.8.
Private school: 23.2

What the fuck does that have to do with teaching creationism or young earth bullshit?

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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/14/2016 4:54:35 PM   
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That's possibly the most frothing, gibbering, deranged and crazed link any lunatic American right winger has posted on this forum that I've ever seen, Big Job. Which, by thunder, considering the ongoing and tirelessly-vigorous competition, is saying something indeed.


Since the truth is for the most part foreign to most leftist and reading something truthful goes against your Liberal religion here's a few more links with truth about Islamic indoctrination for you to ignore.

http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2015/12/fear-islam-tennessee-public-schools/420441/
http://www.akdart.com/islam4.html
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/01/29/lawsuit-public-school-forced-my-child-to-convert-to-islam.html
http://www.latimes.com/local/education/la-na-islam-schools-20151220-story.html
https://stopthemadrassa.wordpress.com/about/a-citizen%E2%80%99s-guide-to-islamist-curricula-in-our-public-schools/
http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/261110/americas-public-schools-exalting-islam-banning-william-becker
http://aclj.org/religious-liberty/reports-of-islamic-indoctrination-spread-to-georgia-public-schools
http://www.breitbart.com/california/2015/02/02/is-islamic-indoctrination-being-taught-in-la-public-schools/
http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/shariah-is-creeping-into-public-school-classrooms/
http://education-curriculum-reform-government-schools.org/w/tag/muslim-indoctrination/

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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/14/2016 5:11:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		on a US national level the US education system is the greatest ever, but:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programme_for_International_Student_Assessment

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"The American result of 2012 was average in science and reading, but lagged behind in mathematics compared to other developed nations. There was little change from the previous test in 2009.[35] The result was described as “a picture of educational stagnation” by Education Secretary Arne Duncan,[36] who said the result was not compatible with the American goal of having the world's best educated workers. Randi Weingarten of the American Federation of Teachers stated that an overemphasis on standardised tests contributed to the lack of improvement in education performance.[37] Dennis Van Roekel of the National Education Association said a failure to address poverty among students had hampered progress.[35]

About 9% of the U.S. students scored in the top two mathematics levels compared to 13% in all countries and economies."



US ranks in reading 24th, science 28th, mathematics 36th of 65.


maybe there is a lot of potential for further improvement (if you wonder how maybe read here:)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scopes_Trial



and of course this has nothing to do with the new London mayor being Muslim

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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/15/2016 10:40:08 PM   
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trying to limit access to birth control


How does trying to stop women from murdering babies become only religious thing?


Excuse me, how does "trying to limit access to birth control" equate to "trying to stop women from murdering babies become only religious thing"? I assume the "murdering babies" phrase refers to abortions, even though abortion is not murder and it's highly misleading and emotive to designate it as such.

There is no equivalence between birth control, which seeks to prevent or regulate pregnancies, with abortion, the termination of pregnancies, which can only happen after a pregnancy has occurred. Abortions can only happen in the absence or failure of birth control.

Trying to link these two matters is mischievous and misleading.

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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/15/2016 11:40:48 PM   
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My bad, your defending of a song, posted on a racist web site (Stormfront) and about a black kid getting shot, was in no way racist.

Wow Left hypocrisy to the MAX!
Whereas defending people who support a religion that encourages killing of apostates, is apparently cool!

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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/15/2016 11:43:27 PM   
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Islamic Indoctrination in Public Schools Is 'Nationwide Epidemic
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That's possibly the most frothing, gibbering, deranged and crazed link any lunatic American right winger has posted on this forum that I've ever seen, Big Job. Which, by thunder, considering the ongoing and tirelessly-vigorous competition, is saying something indeed.

I only hope that this will forever be just a forthing deranged, and crazed thing that we can continually make fun and laugh about! Please please please forever remain that way, Dear World!


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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/16/2016 2:57:31 AM   
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I wasn't defending the song, I was trying to get you to point out what was racist about it. And you never did manage that. Did you? You fell flat on your face like you did just now trying to put words in people's mouths.


My bad, your defending of a song, posted on a racist web site (Stormfront) and about a black kid getting shot, was in no way racist.

Is that better, you racist fuckwit.



No you lying fuckwit, it's not. And it won't be no matter how many time you lie and claim it is. Now if all you can do is tell lies about people perhaps its time to crawl back under your rock and shut the fuck up

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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/16/2016 4:25:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Greta75


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
My bad, your defending of a song, posted on a racist web site (Stormfront) and about a black kid getting shot, was in no way racist.

Wow Left hypocrisy to the MAX!
Whereas defending people who support a religion that encourages killing of apostates, is apparently cool!


Once again

has been described as an apostate by those idiots himself for voting in favour of gay rights.

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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/16/2016 4:53:46 AM   
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That's possibly the most frothing, gibbering, deranged and crazed link any lunatic American right winger has posted on this forum that I've ever seen, Big Job. Which, by thunder, considering the ongoing and tirelessly-vigorous competition, is saying something indeed.


Since the truth is for the most part foreign to most leftist and reading something truthful goes against your Liberal religion here's a few more links with truth about Islamic indoctrination for you to ignore.

http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2015/12/fear-islam-tennessee-public-schools/420441/
http://www.akdart.com/islam4.html
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/01/29/lawsuit-public-school-forced-my-child-to-convert-to-islam.html
http://www.latimes.com/local/education/la-na-islam-schools-20151220-story.html
https://stopthemadrassa.wordpress.com/about/a-citizen%E2%80%99s-guide-to-islamist-curricula-in-our-public-schools/
http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/261110/americas-public-schools-exalting-islam-banning-william-becker
http://aclj.org/religious-liberty/reports-of-islamic-indoctrination-spread-to-georgia-public-schools
http://www.breitbart.com/california/2015/02/02/is-islamic-indoctrination-being-taught-in-la-public-schools/
http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/shariah-is-creeping-into-public-school-classrooms/
http://education-curriculum-reform-government-schools.org/w/tag/muslim-indoctrination/


Is this all likely to turn the school pupils concerned into jihadists, in your view?

Having looked at some of these, it seems that they're about teaching about Islam rather than indoctrination. Do you think learning (what looks like just a bit) about Islam in schools and colleges is a bad idea - given that everyone's going to 'learn about' Islam from the news media anyway? When does 'teaching about' become 'indoctrinating', for you?


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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/16/2016 5:29:37 AM   
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When does 'teaching about' become 'indoctrinating', for you?

When it's taught by an evil liberal who wants to destroy the American way of life, obvs.

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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/16/2016 7:26:48 AM   
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Is this all likely to turn the school pupils concerned into jihadists, in your view?

Having looked at some of these, it seems that they're about teaching about Islam rather than indoctrination. Do you think learning (what looks like just a bit) about Islam in schools and colleges is a bad idea - given that everyone's going to 'learn about' Islam from the news media anyway? When does 'teaching about' become 'indoctrinating', for you?

No, it's likely to create more Muslim apologists. And add on to more misleading information that Islam is peaceful at core.

I would say, it's teaching children how to be left leaning, indoctrinating them from children.

If they want to have religious studies in it, they had better be teaching them about ALL religions of the world equally.

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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/16/2016 7:37:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		if they learn that a true muslim can be peaceful and the jihadists misunderstand islam - it is just what everybody wishes for a better future

is that left leaning???? what a rubbish

besides - I am not quite sure about UK curricula but getting informed about all (major) religions is just what is part of whatever religion school curriculum (besides of what is specific of one's own) in German schools

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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/16/2016 8:05:05 AM   
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if they learn that a true muslim can be peaceful and the jihadists misunderstand islam - it is just what everybody wishes for a better future

is that left leaning???? what a rubbish

besides - I am not quite sure about UK curricula but getting informed about all (major) religions is just what is part of whatever religion school curriculum (besides of what is specific of one's own) in German schools

I think Greta is saying that the root of Islam is not peaceful at all.
In fact, to be a "true" muslim, means the killing of everyone else in the world until only Muslims and converts remain.
To not do so is actually one of the definitions of an infidel - and that carries the death penalty.

A true Muslim can only be peaceful with others following the same faith.
Not only that, but the same branch of the faith.
You have to remember that sunni and shea hate each other soo much that they will kill each other just because they are not of the same roots.
This inter-faction war between the two major islamic groups are the main reason for all the uprising and extremist actions.


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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/16/2016 8:40:53 AM   
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if they learn that a true muslim can be peaceful and the jihadists misunderstand islam - it is just what everybody wishes for a better future

is that left leaning???? what a rubbish

Yes it's totally left leaning BS about Islam. False teachings about Islam perpetrated by the left. The way I see it, the left seem to be against fundamental Christianity for a long time, and then somehow, just went absolutely crazy and decided the enemy of their enemy is their friend. And went on full crazy support for Islam. I feel it's almost from spite towards fundamental Christianity to give them a taste of their own medicine. Let's support a religion that is even WORST in imposing their religious beliefs on others!

And I speak as someone who used to see myself as left leaning, until I disagree with leftish blatant dishonesty about Islam.


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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/16/2016 8:43:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry Greta, the false teachings about Islam are not just from the left.
It comes from all across the political spectrum, not just the left.

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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/16/2016 8:48:03 AM   
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Sorry Greta, the false teachings about Islam are not just from the left.
It comes from all across the political spectrum, not just the left.

I personally find that the right has a closer realistic understanding of what Islam really is about.
Left always say that Islam is peaceful at core. And anybody who does not agree with that blatant falsehood are ignorant about that religion.
It's also ironic that left who are anti-war is now the greatest and biggest defender of a religion created by a war mongering warlord.

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