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RE: Security Clearance and headache ahead? - 5/8/2016 11:24:32 AM   
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RE: Security Clearance and headache ahead? - 5/8/2016 1:00:45 PM   
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When did this Shrillary line start? I thought she was still Hitlary in neocon circles.


I think Shrillary popped up during the 2008 campaign, before the D nominee was decided.

I called her "Hillar-ious Clinton" because her beliefs and policy stances are, well, hilarious.

It was Hillar-ious vs. O-blah blah blah-ma (because he never made anything other than grandiose statements utterly lacking in any detail).


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RE: Security Clearance and headache ahead? - 5/8/2016 1:05:16 PM   
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RE: Security Clearance and headache ahead? - 5/8/2016 1:17:18 PM   
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It's news to me that the woman believes anything and as for having a stance, don't make me laugh: she's spent her whole time in the senate refusing to take a stand on anything. What's hilarious about that sort of spineless bending with the wind? It's common to the bulk of both houses of your government.


Almost all politicians twist with the wind, but, there is a definite hard lean to the left in her. That is, she will twist to conform to what she thinks will get her more votes, without losing votes from those on the left.

And, no, Hillary is definitely NOT the only politician in the US to be that way; and, it's not just a Democratic Party thing, either.


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RE: Security Clearance and headache ahead? - 5/8/2016 1:20:15 PM   
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Almost all politicians twist with the wind, but, there is a definite hard lean to the left in her.

What exactly has the woman ever done that shows even a hint of a "hard lean to the left"? I know you people have some funny ideas about what constitutes the left, but Hilary Clinton? Seriously? She makes bloody Obama look like a liberal, FFS.

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RE: Security Clearance and headache ahead? - 5/8/2016 1:38:35 PM   
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Almost all politicians twist with the wind, but, there is a definite hard lean to the left in her.

What exactly has the woman ever done that shows even a hint of a "hard lean to the left"? I know you people have some funny ideas about what constitutes the left, but Hilary Clinton? Seriously? She makes bloody Obama look like a liberal, FFS.


Hillarycare
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RE: Security Clearance and headache ahead? - 5/8/2016 3:48:52 PM   
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"the Ukrainian politician whose ouster as president prompted a Russian invasion of the country."

What Russian invasion ? Where do they get this bullshit and why do they think that today, with the internet, people will swallow it ?

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Denying reality eh?



No, you are not aware of the reality of it. There are Russians there who are soldiers, but they are not operating in their capacity as Russian soldiers. They were not ordered there by the government, therefore the government is not responsible for their actions, which by the way is to support east Ukrainians.

East Ukrainians tend to prefer alliance with Russia rather than Europe. First of all, Russia offered alot better financial deal, though everyone says the President would have stolen a bunch of it. I am not so sure, just like US aid sometimes comes with strings attached, the amount Russia offered would no doubt have similar strings and things. Europe's offer was a joke. Not even worth considering.

Ukraine owes Russia a shitload of money for the gas they were siphoning off the pipe. It was metered and all, it's not like they drilled a hole in it, but they haven't paid. The matter went to international court and only the amount was in dispute, not the FACT that they owe.

Any Russians in Ukraine against the US friendly government there are there because they want to help those who they consider almost kinfolk. Contrary to popular belief, there are a hell of alot of people who want nothing to do with the US. You might assume that they hate the Russians because of what the Soviets did to them, but they are smarter than you think. They know the Soviets are the fuck out of there and things are very different. And they know that alliance with Russia would be better for them then one with Europe for quite a few reasons, economic and geographic.

Notice in the US even today there is a big difference between the north and the south ? Well Ukraine is that way but the line is pretty much vertical rather than horizontal. It is the east and the west instead. And it was the US that destabilized the country, of that there is no doubt. I forgot what the outfit was called but they were funded by the US government.

It is you who lacks facts.

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RE: Security Clearance and headache ahead? - 5/8/2016 3:57:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		"With Donald Trump on the brink of receiving classified security briefings from the Central Intelligence Agency,"

Wait a minute here. Why would they give a CANDIDATE classified information ? That seems pretty damn stupid to me. Once elected that is different.

WTF is wrong with these people ? WTF does HE have to know when he has no power to act at all ? He is not even the assured candidate, not that I think even that should get him a security clearance.

They must be putting someting in the caviar.

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RE: Security Clearance and headache ahead? - 5/8/2016 4:05:06 PM   
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This is from Buzzfeed from yesterday, Im sharing it simply as a liability issue, after all Hils is being accused of benghazi and the emailgate issues.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/bensmith/manafort-russia?utm_term=.bf7VWvamnE#.bqA0wOlkbj
With Donald Trump on the brink of receiving classified security briefings from the Central Intelligence Agency, U.S. foreign policy figures of both parties are raising concerns about a close Trump aide’s ties to allies of Russian President Vladimir Putin.


Makes zero difference. Putin probably already knows everything from other connections.




Putin is one of the few extremely qualified people in the business. I am not saying he is a nice guy, people often read that when they read what I say about him, but I a NOT saying he is a nice guy.

The only US President we've had in a long time that was on par with Putin was George Herbert Walker Bush. His son is a fucking ninny. Thye were both heads of major intel agencies and as such know how to pick the real info from the chaff. They rely less on advisors. Problem with Bush is he was loyal to the oil, not us. Putin need nothing, is loyal to his country first, and is smart and well informed.

And can be ruthless.

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RE: Security Clearance and headache ahead? - 5/8/2016 4:37:16 PM   
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"With Donald Trump on the brink of receiving classified security briefings from the Central Intelligence Agency,"
Wait a minute here. Why would they give a CANDIDATE classified information ? That seems pretty damn stupid to me. Once elected that is different.
WTF is wrong with these people ? WTF does HE have to know when he has no power to act at all ? He is not even the assured candidate, not that I think even that should get him a security clearance.
They must be putting someting in the caviar.
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It's common practice to give Presidential nominees sanitized versions of what the POTUS gets. Gives a much greater understanding of the job that they're campaigning for. It's standard operating procedures, in the US.


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RE: Security Clearance and headache ahead? - 5/9/2016 6:32:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Common practice ? I think it is idiot practice. I know that once nominated they get some security help, which is understandable in this society full of nutzoids. But just what information do you suppose he would need ? And another thing, if it is sanitized so to speak, that is so that he cannot compromise US operatives and so forth. Why can't the general public have that information then ? Remember that asshole who gave away the identity of a US operative blowing their cover and people are still bitching they not were prosecuted for it ?

And a foreigner, Assange, gets his hands on so much information the the US commits and act of war against Ecuador to try to get him ? And has considered an act of war in England at the embassy to get at him ?

You know, if their security is so tight, how did Assange get any information. I can understand about Snowden, he ain't ever coming back except maybe in a box. He signed agreements. His conscience got to him later and the rest is history, but Assange ?

I don't want to digress too much, but I have an observation. The actions of the US government are indicative of extreme paranoia. They want to know everything about everyone all over the world but get all upset when anyone knows anything about them. And there are things that have been declassified that are still illegal to tell US soldiers, who are the ones who go and die for this bullshit. There has to be a reason they do not want them to know, perhaps because they would refuse to go and die for the fucking oil companies ?

Remember the Wizard of Oz ? Pay no attention to the Man in the chair... Flexing muscle to scare people into believing they are too strong to fight. They have their doubts the US military would put down a big rebellion here. You can tell. You can almost smell. Like a dog.

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ETA to add the word "not" at a very important place.

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RE: Security Clearance and headache ahead? - 5/10/2016 2:40:51 PM   
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Common practice ? I think it is idiot practice. I know that once nominated they get some security help, which is understandable in this society full of nutzoids. But just what information do you suppose he would need ? And another thing, if it is sanitized so to speak, that is so that he cannot compromise US operatives and so forth. Why can't the general public have that information then ? Remember that asshole who gave away the identity of a US operative blowing their cover and people are still bitching they not were prosecuted for it ?
And a foreigner, Assange, gets his hands on so much information the the US commits and act of war against Ecuador to try to get him ? And has considered an act of war in England at the embassy to get at him ?
You know, if their security is so tight, how did Assange get any information. I can understand about Snowden, he ain't ever coming back except maybe in a box. He signed agreements. His conscience got to him later and the rest is history, but Assange ?
I don't want to digress too much, but I have an observation. The actions of the US government are indicative of extreme paranoia. They want to know everything about everyone all over the world but get all upset when anyone knows anything about them. And there are things that have been declassified that are still illegal to tell US soldiers, who are the ones who go and die for this bullshit. There has to be a reason they do not want them to know, perhaps because they would refuse to go and die for the fucking oil companies ?
Remember the Wizard of Oz ? Pay no attention to the Man in the chair... Flexing muscle to scare people into believing they are too strong to fight. They have their doubts the US military would put down a big rebellion here. You can tell. You can almost smell. Like a dog.
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ETA to add the word "not" at a very important place.


Idiotic or not, it's common practice. I'm sure it's still more classified than what they want the general public to know. I'd be shocked if there wasn't some sort of contract signed that leaking sensitive material would be considered treason and the full force of the law would be wielded.


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RE: Security Clearance and headache ahead? - 5/11/2016 4:33:12 AM   
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Common practice ? I think it is idiot practice. I know that once nominated they get some security help, which is understandable in this society full of nutzoids. But just what information do you suppose he would need ? And another thing, if it is sanitized so to speak, that is so that he cannot compromise US operatives and so forth. Why can't the general public have that information then ? Remember that asshole who gave away the identity of a US operative blowing their cover and people are still bitching they not were prosecuted for it ?
And a foreigner, Assange, gets his hands on so much information the the US commits and act of war against Ecuador to try to get him ? And has considered an act of war in England at the embassy to get at him ?
You know, if their security is so tight, how did Assange get any information. I can understand about Snowden, he ain't ever coming back except maybe in a box. He signed agreements. His conscience got to him later and the rest is history, but Assange ?
I don't want to digress too much, but I have an observation. The actions of the US government are indicative of extreme paranoia. They want to know everything about everyone all over the world but get all upset when anyone knows anything about them. And there are things that have been declassified that are still illegal to tell US soldiers, who are the ones who go and die for this bullshit. There has to be a reason they do not want them to know, perhaps because they would refuse to go and die for the fucking oil companies ?
Remember the Wizard of Oz ? Pay no attention to the Man in the chair... Flexing muscle to scare people into believing they are too strong to fight. They have their doubts the US military would put down a big rebellion here. You can tell. You can almost smell. Like a dog.
T^T
ETA to add the word "not" at a very important place.


Idiotic or not, it's common practice. I'm sure it's still more classified than what they want the general public to know. I'd be shocked if there wasn't some sort of contract signed that leaking sensitive material would be considered treason and the full force of the law would be wielded.


I'd imagine he believes that the CIA tell those elected to political office nothing in case they interfere. It's a popular notion with conspiracy nuts, isn't it?

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RE: Security Clearance and headache ahead? - 5/11/2016 5:12:49 AM   
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Putin probably already knows everything from other connections.



Thanks for that link. It provided some very interesting reading and potentially explosive innuendos.

It would appear that anyone who does business with Putin's Russia is open to the kind of conflict of interests/compromising situations that Podesta at al seem to have created for themselves. Odd that the GOP has declined to take up this line of attack as it seems to me to be potentially a lot more rewarding for them than the whole email kerfuffle ..... or perhaps Putin has bought that side of politics too .....?

For someone with serious money and a well thought through strategy, both sides of the US Congress is available for a not considerable amount of cash ..... just look at the AIPAC example

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RE: Security Clearance and headache ahead? - 5/11/2016 5:17:35 AM   
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Putin need nothing, is loyal to his country first, and is smart and well informed.

And can be ruthless.

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I rather suspect you are overestimating Putin's patriotism.

My guess is he is far more motivated by, and extremely loyal to the size of his personal fortune, which, last time I heard, was something north of $50 billion nett ...... Not bad for a middle ranking KGB operative and latterly public servant .....

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RE: Security Clearance and headache ahead? - 5/11/2016 5:22:03 AM   
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RE: Security Clearance and headache ahead? - 5/11/2016 5:34:55 AM   
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RE: Security Clearance and headache ahead? - 5/11/2016 5:39:44 AM   
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RE: Security Clearance and headache ahead? - 5/11/2016 6:05:56 AM   
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I dont doubt about tha panama files. But thi is an immediate concern.
There may well be an investigation , but i did mention she had problems already.


1. Aw, ain't that sweet. You mentioned she had problems already. But, let's just gloss over that and get to Trump!

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So it seems you are only bothered with what hils and the fact that she has had top security for years, hèr email investigation is clear so far,
Plus its not just about putin, but hey, lets just brush it off.


2. The article was about Putin (and Russia; but that's probably just redundant).

And, finally...

3. The use of the emoji is usually done to identify an attempt at humor, as these here interwebs are quite incapable of translating nuance. I made a joke. You don't seem to have understood it. I think Trump is dangerous with a comb (just look at his hair!!), so giving him high level clearance - regardless of his connections - is not something I'd recommend. But, this is what is done for the candidates.

Do you think Trump and his assistants/aides won't be vetted?


There is a 52 page hilary thread if i wanna dicuss hils.
The article yes..russia well done.
You typed a diifferent emoji....you used the eyeroll emoji....
The post is about vetting..trumps team mate...wit his link to russia? As well as trumps possible problems with vetting



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RE: Security Clearance and headache ahead? - 5/11/2016 6:10:33 AM   
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You find a quote where I said anything even close to that I will kiss your ass at Times Square and give you an hour to draw a crowd.

Quit reading between the lines and read the fucking lines.

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