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roboslavedog -> RE: Deleted unread (5/9/2016 1:43:00 AM)

This is actually quite funny once you realize the mechanism behind it. A sub comes to CS, he sees all these "looking for slaves" profiles from dominants, many very scanty and lacking any specific information but most containing warning "no onelines or copy-paste messages". So, he starts writing personalized messages or messages requesting more information about what a dominant is looking for. Majority of his messages are either deleted unread or left unanswered. The remaining messages are answered by scammers with the immortal "Do you tribute?" question. The sub continues to write but his messages become shorter and shorter with time, as he realizes that his efforts do not really matter. So finally, he starts sending onliners or copy-paste messages, pissing on the "no oneliners" warnings. Effects are more or less the same... so why bother :)

Another interesting fun fact. Two or three years ago I also got pissed off at my long, personalized messages being either ignored or deleted unread, so I sent several cheeky, quasi-abusive and blatantly disrespectful comments to a batch of dominant ladies. And voila! Circa 90% of the responded! Go figure.




QualityFirst -> RE: Deleted unread (5/9/2016 3:34:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: roboslavedog

This is actually quite funny once you realize the mechanism behind it. A sub comes to CS, he sees all these "looking for slaves" profiles from dominants, many very scanty and lacking any specific information but most containing warning "no onelines or copy-paste messages". So, he starts writing personalized messages or messages requesting more information about what a dominant is looking for. Majority of his messages are either deleted unread or left unanswered. The remaining messages are answered by scammers with the immortal "Do you tribute?" question. The sub continues to write but his messages become shorter and shorter with time, as he realizes that his efforts do not really matter. So finally, he starts sending onliners or copy-paste messages, pissing on the "no oneliners" warnings. Effects are more or less the same... so why bother :)

Thank you for your understanding. This is exactly what a lot of dommes cause to happen here.

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Another interesting fun fact. Two or three years ago I also got pissed off at my long, personalized messages being either ignored or deleted unread, so I sent several cheeky, quasi-abusive and blatantly disrespectful comments to a batch of dominant ladies. And voila! Circa 90% of the responded! Go figure.


As if they can smell it, most dommes seem to know that I would never dare to send such messages. They smell that I am afraid of them and that therefore, they can treat me in whatever way they like.

Look how ThatDizzyChick treats me. But I'm sure that she knows that, if she wants me to no more contradict her, I will obey to her.




LadyPact -> RE: Deleted unread (5/9/2016 6:59:34 AM)

Let's clear the air on something upfront. It's probably in really poor taste to write a thread about people being rude for deleting email unread when you're going to do the 'I'm so submissive, you are a Dominant type person, so let me slobber the submissiveness over you' stuff. It's tacky. I don't appreciate it and most other women don't, either. Please knock that off. If that kind of thing is in the first few lines of an email to whomever you are writing, one of the possibilities is that they are using the hover feature to scan the first part of the message, seeing that kind of thing, and deleting it as unread. (Most women roll their eyes at any man who tries the 'look at how much of a sub I am' routine.)

Another thing you are making a mistake about is thinking this online submission thing is just such a wonderful offer because it's you and you are such a great guy. I hate to burst your bubble, but it's not. Any woman on this site is going to get thousands of such emails in any given year and pretty much, it's seen as the equivalent of spam. What you're offering is something the majority of women don't want and that's exactly why it's being treated in the same way as you do in your personal email (yahoo, gmail, aol, whatever you use) when you get emails to enlarge your penis, offers to change your long distance carrier, online coupons, or anything else that you delete unread. The reason you think it's different is because it's you writing the email, rather than the companies that send you crap that you don't want, and you are putting your opinion of what it's worth higher than the recipient. The key to this is, it's really the recipient's opinion that matters.

One of the exact reasons that the pay for (online) play has become so prevalent on this site is because thousands upon thousands of men want to submit online and very few women want to indulge them without being financially compensated. If that weren't the case and women were actually interested in it, the market would not exist.

Of the very small percentage of woman who are interested in online domination without financial compensation, they have masses of men to choose from and they are going to do so based on their own criteria. That can be age, location, physical attractiveness, relationship potential, availability, and pretty much all the other factors of why women choose one man over another in the dating world anywhere else. Before you even go there, yes, location does matter because most women are going to want to move to real time sooner or later. Real time is almost always going to appeal more to the majority of women because most women are relationship oriented, even those who are willing to start the relationship online. And, let's face it. Kink is just plain more fun in person.

In your position, I think it might be to your best advantage to accept that a good number of the emails that you will send will be deleted unread. It's no different than you deleting emails that you receive when somebody is trying to sell you something that you're not buying.






QualityFirst -> RE: Deleted unread (5/9/2016 7:36:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

It's probably in really poor taste to write a thread about people being rude for deleting email unread when you're going to do the 'I'm so submissive, you are a Dominant type person, so let me slobber the submissiveness over you' stuff. It's tacky.

What makes you think that I write that kind of messages?

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Another thing you are making a mistake about is thinking this online submission thing is just such a wonderful offer because it's you and you are such a great guy.

What makes you think that I think in such ways?

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you are putting your opinion of what it's worth higher than the recipient.

Why do you think I do so?

Once again, I am judged based on completely false presumptions.




Lucylastic -> RE: Deleted unread (5/9/2016 8:33:11 AM)

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Once again, I am judged based on completely false presumptions.


You are doing so to all the women that dont answer your messages the way you want, AND the women who have commented in this six page complaint




QualityFirst -> RE: Deleted unread (5/9/2016 8:53:22 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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Once again, I am judged based on completely false presumptions.


You are doing so to all the women that dont answer your messages the way you want


Am I? Do you have access to my messages box? No, your incrimination is just bar talk without any added value.




littleladybug -> RE: Deleted unread (5/9/2016 9:04:40 AM)

OP, how would things be any better or different if you got a "thanks, but no thanks" from everyone that wasn't interested in what you have to offer?

Assuming that you are the type of person to take "thanks, but no thanks" at face value and not as an invitation to try harder, I honestly wonder how you think things would change for you if all of the "deleted unread" messages turned into polite declinations.





Lucylastic -> RE: Deleted unread (5/9/2016 9:15:24 AM)


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ORIGINAL: QualityFirst


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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Once again, I am judged based on completely false presumptions.


You are doing so to all the women that dont answer your messages the way you want


Am I? Do you have access to my messages box? No, your incrimination is just bar talk without any added value.


I also said
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AND the women who have commented in this six page complaint.

You have no access to OUR message boxes either.
MY incrimination?, YOU Started the topic, YOU take responsibility for not getting what we are saying.
I dont need intellectual "discussion", when simple words and TRUTH work just as well.
you arent elite or special.
you just showed that.
you are just another man who wishes women would let him get away with his shit his way and we should all bow down to you and your wishes. As a domme, and as a women. Yes I decide my own rules, not yours.





QualityFirst -> RE: Deleted unread (5/9/2016 9:28:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I dont need intellectual "discussion"


Indeed, that was already clear, and is now even still clearer.




MissKatya -> RE: Deleted unread (5/9/2016 9:34:25 AM)


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A first way to know if a sub has something worthfully to offer to you, is to not delete his message unread.



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Did it ever occur to you that there may have been something about you that told them you were not worthwhile to them without them needing to read your message.


But....but...he is sincere so that means that we're supposed to overlook our red flags/requirements in order to give him a chance.

But to the OP-your issue is not about "manners", it's about rejection. This is a rant about how you are rejected and you use "manners" as a scapegoat.

Bottom line here: your complaint about lack of manners is really you complaining about how no one will give you a chance. You keep dropping that into almost every response-how they don't know how genuine you are unless they take up your offer. The truth is that other than your "submission", you aren't showing anything else that would make a Domme want to jump at the opportunity to accept you. If you messaged me, I would delete your message as well because you have nothing to offer that is not based on YOUR needs.

And let's be honest here. Offering yourself as a "devoted submissive" is catering to your needs only.

As others have mentioned, go out. Go to munches. If you can't go out and can only do online: consider joining a few groups devoted to what you are looking for.

But stop bitching about manners...because we all know it's not about that. It's about being needy and no one likes a needy and overbearing sub.




Lucylastic -> RE: Deleted unread (5/9/2016 9:39:35 AM)


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ORIGINAL: QualityFirst

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I dont need intellectual "discussion"


Indeed, that was already clear, and is now even still clearer.


As you keep ignoring things I have said, which means you are not capable of intellectual honesty, or insight into anything but your own problems. A really lousy position for a submissive, or dominant.
you reap what you sew.






ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Deleted unread (5/9/2016 10:22:12 AM)

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I grant you the pleasure to know that your reproaches badly hurted me and have made me truly afraid of you. Nevertheless, I appreciate your sincerety, and I very much respect you. I prefer a lady like you, who makes it clear to me that to her, I am a worthless male, over a woman who thinks the same but doesn't tell it me.

Oh dear.




crumpets -> RE: Deleted unread (5/9/2016 10:23:51 AM)


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ORIGINAL: roboslavedog

This is actually quite funny once you realize the mechanism behind it. A sub comes to CS, he sees all these "looking for slaves" profiles from dominants, many very scanty and lacking any specific information but most containing warning "no onelines or copy-paste messages". So, he starts writing personalized messages or messages requesting more information about what a dominant is looking for. Majority of his messages are either deleted unread or left unanswered. The remaining messages are answered by scammers with the immortal "Do you tribute?" question. The sub continues to write but his messages become shorter and shorter with time, as he realizes that his efforts do not really matter. So finally, he starts sending onliners or copy-paste messages, pissing on the "no oneliners" warnings. Effects are more or less the same... so why bother :)

Another interesting fun fact. Two or three years ago I also got pissed off at my long, personalized messages being either ignored or deleted unread, so I sent several cheeky, quasi-abusive and blatantly disrespectful comments to a batch of dominant ladies. And voila! Circa 90% of the responded! Go figure.


You make an interesting observation that one starts out spending a lot of time on profiles where then, it progresses to cutting losses and watering down the two-page introductory query eventually into a one liner.

Given the way you proposed it, the path taken is inevitable.

There are two ways to solve that problem, looking at it from the outset:
1. Contact fewer profiles
2. Let the profiles contact you

Both require spending effort in a different way than most men do though.

Most men, I think, at least clueless men:
1. Spend little time on their own profile
2. Spend inordinate time contacting every profile under the sun

The solution, I think, is to spend more time on fewer profile, one of which is the owners' profile itself.




QualityFirst -> RE: Deleted unread (5/9/2016 10:24:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MissKatya

But to the OP-your issue is not about "manners", it's about rejection.

Not at all, dear lady. I have no problem at all with rejection, just with the way how it is done.

I will definitely never annoy a lady who rejects me with a second message. As I explained, when a lady makes it clear to me that it is no, she never has to do so twice before I understand, even if she does it with "deleted unread".

But I have much more respect for a lady who answers me with "Stupid maggot!" then with "deleted unread".




crumpets -> RE: Deleted unread (5/9/2016 10:28:01 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MissKatya
This is a rant about how you are rejected and you use "manners" as a scapegoat.


This is an astute observation.

Some day maybe I (or someone else) will author a sticky thread that pretty much says:

"Here are all the rants and complaints that keep popping up, every day, all day".

For women, the rants might include:
  • Men, stop being creeps
  • Men, don't complain about my weight
  • Men, stop sending me 'wanna fuck' messages,
    etc.

    And for men, the rants might include:
  • Women, why aren't 18-year old gorgeous Dommes answering my stupid emails?
  • Why I think a findomme is a prostitute
    And ...
  • Why do women constantly reject my "wanna fuck" messages?




  • Shandirra -> RE: Deleted unread (5/9/2016 10:28:01 AM)


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    ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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    I grant you the pleasure to know that your reproaches badly hurted me and have made me truly afraid of you. Nevertheless, I appreciate your sincerety, and I very much respect you. I prefer a lady like you, who makes it clear to me that to her, I am a worthless male, over a woman who thinks the same but doesn't tell it me.

    Oh dear.


    Hey Dizzy... I think you converted him into your private fan club. [:D]




    littleladybug -> RE: Deleted unread (5/9/2016 10:31:46 AM)


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    ORIGINAL: QualityFirst

    Not at all, dear lady. I have no problem at all with rejection, just with the way how it is done.




    Bullshit.

    If you truly had no problem with rejection, this rant would not exist.

    At the risk of beating my head against the wall, I'll reiterate what has been said by others here. You are investing way too much emotionally in what essentially amounts to a cold call. Not all people are cut out to be salespersons. No shame in it- but realize what it is. You are taking personally what should not be taken as such.






    roboslavedog -> RE: Deleted unread (5/9/2016 10:42:43 AM)

    So, what basically every dominant lady is saying here is that "deleting unread" is actually not bad manners, because it comes from reluctance to exert effort to read/sieve through the messages in face of hundreds upon hundreds of them. Bad manners, actually, is feeling offended by your messages being "deleted unread" and the lack of understanding of the hardships them dominant women have to endure with us submissive men :) Don't hit me too hard, I'm just trying to find logic here.

    I am curious though.... please enlighten me Ladies.... what kind of initial statements in a message make you click READ instead of DELETE UNREAD?




    Spiritedsub2 -> RE: Deleted unread (5/9/2016 10:48:19 AM)

    This is a decent summary of what happens to people online I think. I doubt a man in his 60s like the OP would approach a decades younger woman at a munch and expect his attentions to be welcomed, but online he expects her to respond to his message, even to read it at all. And in person, a man (let's hope) wouldn't display his dick to random women as his opening greeting, which does of course happen online here every day.

    I think the stories of people meeting here and living happily ever after (think Awareness/Kaliko, Resident Sadist/Samdarella, littleladybug/her SO) are like those stories of people who win the lottery, and keep us coming back like it's a real possibility. The reality is probably that it is just about as rare as winning the lottery, and finding that right person is much more likely to happen out in the real world than by sending random messages to profiles online. Kinda makes all the ranting about the failures just blowing in the wind. Just a guess.




    ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Deleted unread (5/9/2016 11:02:35 AM)

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    what kind of initial statements in a message make you click READ instead of DELETE UNREAD?

    Something amusing. We bitches love humour, make us laugh and you're halfway into our pants already.




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