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Actually, it's a trend that the left has been leading since the 1960's.

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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Actually, it's a trend that the left has been leading since the 1960's.

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No darling, that trend goes back much, much further than the 1960s. It has been going on for literally thousands of years, it is as old as government itself.

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Not in it's current context.

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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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Actually, it's a trend that the left has been leading since the 1960's.

LOL
No darling, that trend goes back much, much further than the 1960s. It has been going on for literally thousands of years, it is as old as government itself.

Not in it's current context.

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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Not in it's current context.

And what context is that dear?

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But since the 1960s, the form of political debate practiced by the left in this country hasn't just lost it's civility, it's too often not even rational.

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ORIGINAL: tj444
Much of what i was referring to is about immigration and the anti-Mexican/Hispanic hate that is spewed in the forums & comments to articles, usually when the topic of the economy, etc comes up.

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The ones that come from areas where the cartels rule with violence are legit refugees.. not that the haters care.. the blame Americans load on immigrants should be vented toward all those American corporations that shipped multi-millions of jobs overseas, they are also responsible for replacing workers with robots.. the jobs lost in the US due to immigrants pales in comparison to those lost by your very own American corporations.. the ones whose iphones & other products you line up to buy at high prices.. American consumers have cost Americans their jobs, so look in the mirror instead..

Btw, you can expect much more of the US workforce to be outta jobs in the future too.. due to automation & more robots.. McDs started using automated food ordering, order groceries online so less cashiers, they are even starting to 3D print concrete houses, robots are doing surgery, robots are building more robots right now, etc, etc.. it all leads to less jobs, entire job classifications disappearing...

and robots dont pay into social security or unemployment insurance or medicare, so who is gonna support the system when you need it???

"8 industries robots will completely transform by 2025
Just as ATMs changed banking and computers took over the home and workplace, robots and artificial intelligence are going to transform a bunch of industries over the next decade.

By 2025, a machine may be putting together your driverless car in a factory with no human oversight. A robot maid could be cleaning up after you at home, and your financial advisor might be a computer investing for you automatically.

And with at least 90 countries operating unmanned aerial vehicles, the wars of the future may increasingly be fought with "drone" aircraft.

These are just some of the interesting — and sometimes scary — predictions to come from a 300-page report released by Merrill Lynch in November, which estimates the global market for robots and AI will grow from $28 billion to more than $150 billion just five years from now.

Only 10% of worldwide manufacturing tasks are automated right now. That's expected to increase to 45% over the next 10 years as robots get much cheaper.
They're are also getting better. While some functions have often needed human hands, some companies like China's Foxconn are investing in robots that can put together the tiny parts in Apple's iPhone,
http://www.businessinsider.com/8-industries-robots-will-completely-transform-by-2025-2015-12

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick
Actually that characterization (uncivil and irrational) describes pretty much all the political debate in the history of the US (and pretty much every other country as well, so it is nothing new, like I said.

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In fact, one of the main reasons that the period surrounding the founding of the US stands out so much is that the level of political debate was in fact for the most part bith civil and rational, and that was, and still is, an anomaly.

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And what's more it is really very much evenly spread across all parties, that you see it primarily from the other side is indicative of you being blinkered by ideology, you see anything the other side says as basically irrational and as an attack on you, your beliefs, and your perceived way of life, and so you characterize it as particularly uncivil. And yet, you do not see the irrationality and incivility of those on your own side, because to do so would be to admit that your side may not be right, and that is something which your ideologically blinkered worldview simply cannot allow.

When you give up your emotional attachment to an ideology, you can see the flaws in the behaviour all the participants, and the flaws in the positions of all sides. Doing so will allow you to better understand the options available, none of which are even vaguely perfect, and also to better judge which are most suitable.

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I'm sure if you want to scour the history books you can find similar examples...sweety pie. But since the 1960s, the form of political debate practiced by the left in this country hasn't just lost it's civility, it's too often not even rational. That's not to say the right is sinless but I don't see nearly the amount of hypocrisy and violence coming from the right as I do the left.

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There is no national anthem that musically comes close to 'good music'

I always get a kick out of people who claim to be able to dictate what is and what isn't "good music", as if their personal taste somehow has universal applicability.

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Much of what i was referring to is about immigration and the anti-Mexican/Hispanic hate that is spewed in the forums & comments to articles, usually when the topic of the economy, etc comes up.

I know the haters are out there, tj, but to be completely honest, I have yet to meet anyone that flat out hates migrants. Everyone I have ever discussed the matter with has only ever pointed out illegal immigration and the lack of a good system for criminal background checks as what really concerns them.

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The ones that come from areas where the cartels rule with violence are legit refugees.. not that the haters care.. the blame Americans load on immigrants should be vented toward all those American corporations that shipped multi-millions of jobs overseas, they are also responsible for replacing workers with robots.. the jobs lost in the US due to immigrants pales in comparison to those lost by your very own American corporations.. the ones whose iphones & other products you line up to buy at high prices.. American consumers have cost Americans their jobs, so look in the mirror instead..

Btw, you can expect much more of the US workforce to be outta jobs in the future too.. due to automation & more robots.. McDs started using automated food ordering, order groceries online so less cashiers, they are even starting to 3D print concrete houses, robots are doing surgery, robots are building more robots right now, etc, etc.. it all leads to less jobs, entire job classifications disappearing...

and robots dont pay into social security or unemployment insurance or medicare, so who is gonna support the system when you need it???

"8 industries robots will completely transform by 2025
Just as ATMs changed banking and computers took over the home and workplace, robots and artificial intelligence are going to transform a bunch of industries over the next decade.

By 2025, a machine may be putting together your driverless car in a factory with no human oversight. A robot maid could be cleaning up after you at home, and your financial advisor might be a computer investing for you automatically.

And with at least 90 countries operating unmanned aerial vehicles, the wars of the future may increasingly be fought with "drone" aircraft.

These are just some of the interesting — and sometimes scary — predictions to come from a 300-page report released by Merrill Lynch in November, which estimates the global market for robots and AI will grow from $28 billion to more than $150 billion just five years from now.

Only 10% of worldwide manufacturing tasks are automated right now. That's expected to increase to 45% over the next 10 years as robots get much cheaper.
They're are also getting better. While some functions have often needed human hands, some companies like China's Foxconn are investing in robots that can put together the tiny parts in Apple's iPhone,
http://www.businessinsider.com/8-industries-robots-will-completely-transform-by-2025-2015-12

Well, I have to admit bias here because designing and installing automation systems is how I make my living. But robots have been around for 50 years. And automation has been occurring since the dawn of the industrial age. Anyone should have realized a long time ago that this was the path things were going to follow and planned accordingly instead of sticking their heads in the sand and praying it would never affect their job. That's not the fault of corporations.

I can only tell you what I tell everyone else that accuses me of costing them a job....

All this technology making stuff still requires maintenance by people who understand the processes they involve. You can either look at this as an opportunity to evolve your skill set into a higher technology, higher paying job working on the robots like I do, OR you can keep your head in the sand and do nothing...and earn nothing.

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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny
Well, I have to admit bias here because designing and installing automation systems is how I make my living. But robots have been around for 50 years. And automation has been occurring since the dawn of the industrial age. Anyone should have realized a long time ago that this was the path things were going to follow and planned accordingly instead of sticking their heads in the sand and praying it would never affect their job. That's not the fault of corporations.
I can only tell you what I tell everyone else that accuses me of costing them a job....
All this technology making stuff still requires maintenance by people who understand the processes they involve. You can either look at this as an opportunity to evolve your skill set into a higher technology, higher paying job working on the robots like I do, OR you can keep your head in the sand and do nothing...and earn nothing.

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods
Penalising illegal immigrants working for a fraction of minimum wage accomplishes nothing. Bankrupting an employer or two who pays them peanuts to do so with legal fees and punitive fines, or even confiscating their business as the instrumentality of a crime would have a lot more impact.

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But since the 1960s, the form of political debate practiced by the left in this country hasn't just lost it's civility, it's too often not even rational.

Actually that characterization (uncivil and irrational) describes pretty much all the political debate in the history of the US (and pretty much every other country as well, so it is nothing new, like I said. In fact, one of the main reasons that the period surrounding the founding of the US stands out so much is that the level of political debate was in fact for the most part bith civil and rational, and that was, and still is, an anomaly.

And what's more it is really very much evenly spread across all parties, that you see it primarily from the other side is indicative of you being blinkered by ideology, you see anything the other side says as basically irrational and as an attack on you, your beliefs, and your perceived way of life, and so you characterize it as particularly uncivil. And yet, you do not see the irrationality and incivility of those on your own side, because to do so would be to admit that your side may not be right, and that is something which your ideologically blinkered worldview simply cannot allow.

When you give up your emotional attachment to an ideology, you can see the flaws in the behaviour all the participants, and the flaws in the positions of all sides. Doing so will allow you to better understand the options available, none of which are even vaguely perfect, and also to better judge which are most suitable.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods
Penalising illegal immigrants working for a fraction of minimum wage accomplishes nothing. Bankrupting an employer or two who pays them peanuts to do so with legal fees and punitive fines, or even confiscating their business as the instrumentality of a crime would have a lot more impact.

What happens to a confiscated business?

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods
Penalising illegal immigrants working for a fraction of minimum wage accomplishes nothing. Bankrupting an employer or two who pays them peanuts to do so with legal fees and punitive fines, or even confiscating their business as the instrumentality of a crime would have a lot more impact.

What happens to a confiscated business?

I expect they do the same thing they do now, sell off the assets and/or sell the business as a going concern..

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Of course a well-advised business would put another business in between (such as a labor/employment company that hires/fires employees, etc) and have the assets in yet another company, making sure that the corporate veil can not be said to have been pierced.. its called bulletproofing yer assets..

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I read about one business that hired a homeless guy and gave him a job, turns out the docs he was told to sign made him the president of the (shady) company so when the govt came knocking & attempted to hold those in charge accountable, the real principles/scum were apparently not known..

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

Penalising illegal immigrants working for a fraction of minimum wage accomplishes nothing. Bankrupting an employer or two who pays them peanuts to do so with legal fees and punitive fines, or even confiscating their business as the instrumentality of a crime would have a lot more impact.