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Trump, Sanders, politics...it doesn't matter now - 5/18/2016 3:21:53 PM   
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Look kinkroids, there will be no real reform. Presidents do what they are told to do...or else.

Obama, Yes we can !! Well, no you can't.

You will:

reduce the population of GITMO but keep it open...CHECK.

you will not fuck with the banks or bankers and continue to restore equities...CHECK.

you will hire bankers and industrial/business elites into your advisory and cabinet positions...CHECK.

you will agree with Iran late in your two terms and leave it to the next pres for any war...CHECK.

you will support all trade agreements...CHECK.

approve or not XL pipeline and leave fracking alone for a glut anyway...CHECK

you will approve drilling in the Arctic...CHECK.

you will not start or end any wars in the middle east...CHECK.

you will support Israel, take the heat over Iran, leaving that for the next pres.....CHECK

you will not fuck with the Fed...CHECK.

you will double or triple the drone war overseas...CHECK.

you will not in any meaningful way, mess with the NSA or domestic spying...CHECK.

you will continue all national security bureaucracies...CHECK.

you will renew the Patriot Act...CHECK.

you will pursue Snowden...CHECK.

you will not in any significant way, reduce or increase federal taxes...CHECK.

you will not in any significant way reduce any govt. subsidies or tax credits to corporate America...CHECK.

you will reduce food stamps and at least once or twice, declare no raises in entitlements to the poor or soc. sec. the same...CHECK.

you will not reform corporate tax rates unless to reduce them or change corporate tax avoidance in their favor...CHECK.

Anybody want to add to this ?

An adaptation:

About 40 years ago I abandoned the Republican party or I should say, the Republican Party abandoned me and for the exact reasons many others have described.

And for over 35 years I've been having the same discussion with those diehards who adamantly refuse to abandon the GOP because they have been convinced that doing so would be similar to worshiping Satan. My friends on the right wonder how I could be so blatantly misinformed. They say, you're a smart guy ! How on earth can you not see how much Obama hates America ? How can you support that train wreck called "Obamacare?" Any effort to explain my decisions with relevant facts is summarily dismissed. I am branded an uninformed victim of the "Liberal Media." [sic]

I mourn the loss of the brand of pragmatic conservatism for the most part, embodied by William F. Buckley Jr., Gerald R. Ford, and even some of the policies of Ronald Reagan before he was shot whereupon he sold his soul. These guys respected facts enough to work with them and discuss them with ideological opponents. Their disagreements with their opponents were based on different ideas for what is best for America; they did not need to demonize or lie about their opponents, they were confident enough in their views that such tactics were unnecessary.

Bottom line for each of us is this: if you are angry with the outrageous partisanship in US politics today, just take a look at your own comments and opinions toward your political and ideological opposites.

Maybe the problem is not "them."

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RE: Trump, Sanders, politics...it doesn't matter now - 5/18/2016 5:25:14 PM   
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well,.. what more is there to say, really?
although I think you missed the abortion issue.. and they are still after Assange too.. but yeah, I think you got most of it..

ummm.. If your friends have been chastising you for over 35 years for walking away from the GOP, maybe you need some new friends???

so, what is your Plan B for when this country hits the wall & ends up like Argentina?

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RE: Trump, Sanders, politics...it doesn't matter now - 5/18/2016 6:42:17 PM   
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Well you certainly do seem to have good grasp of things. Those stories about taking the new President into that room and showing him heretofore unseen camera angles of the JFK assassination are likely true. The only proof is in their actions, which is indirect, but we keep on getting the same result time after time.

I have seen some pretty damning evidence that both the Clinton and Nixon impeachments were triggered by something they did. Did not toe the line. Did not obey. Nixon was anti Jew, at least to some extent. I heard stories from people older than me who would not lie to me that he was recorded with remarks like "Those fucking kikes" n shit like that. Clinton urged Israel to drop its nuclear program, but was not yet knowledgeable enough to know that it is too late. Before them, JFK threatened to cut off all aid to Israel if they did not abandon their nuclear ambitions. Plus he fucked with the fed by issuing EO 11011.

But you have offered no solution. Perhaps there is none but I have things to say.

Why do you think the Soviet Union collapsed ? Built too many bombs ? Nope. I heard it a long time ago, the People said "They pretend to pay us so we pretend to work". Their currency was shit, Women couldn't get a pair of fucking stockings, all that. They were dissatisfied because the Soviets were stealing so much from them. So as a result, in their factories they had high reject rates, some of them insidious. While the government shills announced all kinds of gains in productivity, half of the products were defective. From the industry I know they couldn't even make a decent picture tube for a TV set.

And contrary to popular belief, they used tubes in their aircraft to be less susceptible to EMP, not because they were that backwards technologically. Fuck, they had nukes and ICBMs to deliver them. Now the people who worked on those were vetted with scrutiny, unlike for example, US politicians of today.

So what is the solution ? Well if we manufactured anything a good failure rate would go a long way to hurt the economy enough to wake up the soccer Moms and Dads. When people can't afford things, shit happens. Can we make an effort to stall the economy ? And if we do, how to prepare for the fallout.

The only way to get rid of these motherfuckers is make it so they simply cannot afford to keep doing what they're doing. And they are borrowing most of the money, and printing it to make the economy look good which is unsustainable. So they are hanging themselves and I think the People should give them rope. You know, if you got $10,000 in the bank and money goes down 20 % you lose two grand. If you got $10,000,000 in the bank you lose two million. Who has more to lose ?

Of course they will just let the Chinese make everything, maybe the F-35. Might as well, they got a better chance of making the thing work these days. Good engineers are old as the hills, in their 60s and 70s. My buddy works with titanium and used to refine the design of impellers for jet engines, some of them fighter jet engines, high performance. He is 68. On Usenet, there is a design group and these guys do not want the new engineers, they'll take them as interns with no pay because they don't know shit. But the companies keep throwing more and more money at these old geezers, so they still work.

This is pertinent why ? Because at all levels it is hard to get good, qualified people. I wanted to start a business years ago and decided not to. On the phone with a buddy of mine I quipped that I do not have what it takes to be a boss. He said "Don't put yourself down like that" and actually he had worked for me in the past. I said "You don't understand, I don't have the people who can and will do what I tell them".

Bottom line, unemployment is rampant, I mean if you think it is 5 % I got some oceanfront property in Kansas for you. Only a third of the people in this country even file taxes and less than that actually pay anything significant. People can't find jobs, but there is another thing to that.

They are uneducated. Can't turn a wrench, use a voltmeter or even a test light, forget any problem solving skills. The education system is wrecked and schools are pretty much indoctrination centers. People don't even know how to tie their shoes ! (that is actually true, look it up, there is a youtube video on it)

People do not know the language, like to, too and two, there, their and they're. When I make a mistake about that it is usually because I was going too fast. Actually I am a little weak on the use of apostrophes but so are Phds, they just have someone proof their papers.

It has been out of hand for a long time, since even before FDR fucked it up even worse. There should be no federal agency on education. There should be standards, but they should have nothing to do with the curricula. I know somehow they have to stop teaching this "Earth is 6,000 years old" shit, but the federal government is not qualified to do it. And they have not, they are still teaching that shit down south no matter how long the arm of the feds reaching into their business. But really, unless you are going to go into anthropology of some type, who the fuck cares ? DO YOU KNOW HOW TO READ A RULER ? (for example, because I have run across quite a few people who can't, and don't understand fractions and if you think switching to the metric system will cure that you are mistaken, it will just hide the stupidity)

The metric system was sold on the same buzzwords as many things - EASIER. Yup, easy and cheap sells. Now we got a generation that I doubt half of them could drive a car with a manual transmission. I bet most of them could NEVER drive a van with no back windows, those windows lead you into a false sense of security because there could be a a little compact car there you will not see if you do not know how to use the mirrors. They don't even know who has the right of way half the time.

And math ? Sure, you can get a $250,000 house for $650 a month. They fell for it. They are also falling for the stock market, because when QE stops, which it must because something like that can only be a stopgap measure, meaning to put the next crash on the next administration, is not sustainable. All y'all with money in that cesspool get ready to pull it out on a moments notice.

But your retirement will be gone. You get fucked in the end.

See they tell you it is not your money that is lost, that it is created. Well when that created money falls down they take your money, I mean the money they got when you wrote the check to the fund or the broker or whatever. The end result of QE is when the next crash comes and you did NOT get the proper indications to get your money out of there because of the manipulation effected by QE. You'll get taken again. Meantime, others will have made money. And people just do not see that.

Bottom line, if you want to help this country help it crash. Stack precious metals (not paper certificates) or maybe do some foreign currency speculation. And currencies you would never suspect. Iceland, Hungary, Russia, China. Those will be the stable ones because their governments are not owned by banks. Europe is going to fall. They decided to chain themselves together like African slaves on a ship, when one falls off a whole bunch of them will fall. These trade agreements were never good for any country, only the big business in those countries. Every time, with VERY few exceptions, it was detrimental to the people.

One exception might be Germany. That is because they produce and export, and they do it so well that they do not whine about the Chinese like Americans. But they'll find out. Now with immigration going rampant and crime with it they might just vote in a different type of administration and not only ship the animals back home, but also get the fuck out of the EU. Why would a country so prosperous join some bullshit like that ? They needed NOTHING. They were already making the fuel injectors for most cars in the world, and we are talking anywhere from 4 to 32 of them each, at like ten bucks apiece. They needed NOTHING.

And now, they are down to having McJobs. They make good money per hour but do not work enough hours to support themselves alone, in their own house or apartment. What happened here ?

They had already gone to the four day work week many years ago, but people were not bitching about it. What happened ?

Trade agreements. The EU. Maybe that is post hoc ergo propter hoc but I ask this then - what other reason ?

What other reason ?

T^T

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RE: Trump, Sanders, politics...it doesn't matter now - 5/18/2016 9:17:56 PM   
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Well T8r, a lot to say around the edges but I am talking big picture. How society survives is a matter of economic Darwinism turning to economic anarchy just as long as govt. maintains its monopoly on violence, [they] will be alright.

I offer no solutions except that the rank partisanship of the day will never unite the people enough to cause any real stir. The only possible wild card is high ranking military and whether or not the orders to shoot Americans...will follow through.

Even Caesar knew, he had to have the army.

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RE: Trump, Sanders, politics...it doesn't matter now - 5/18/2016 9:22:19 PM   
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well,.. what more is there to say, really?
although I think you missed the abortion issue.. and they are still after Assange too.. but yeah, I think you got most of it..

ummm.. If your friends have been chastising you for over 35 years for walking away from the GOP, maybe you need some new friends???

so, what is your Plan B for when this country hits the wall & ends up like Argentina?

[They] don't care about abortion. We could all just go kill ourselves and they'd be happy. They'll find new slaves. Assange I think is small change but Snowden could be a real threat depending on all of what he really has.

And no, my friends haven't been on me for anywhere near all of those 35 years.

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RE: Trump, Sanders, politics...it doesn't matter now - 5/18/2016 11:45:17 PM   
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so, what is your Plan B for when this country hits the wall & ends up like Argentina?

meh, I got a cunt, that is something there is always a market for.

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RE: Trump, Sanders, politics...it doesn't matter now - 5/19/2016 6:25:29 AM   
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so, what is your Plan B for when this country hits the wall & ends up like Argentina?

meh, I got a cunt, that is something there is always a market for.

Maybe you should be using [it] now and stashing your earnings in Switzerland.

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RE: Trump, Sanders, politics...it doesn't matter now - 5/19/2016 6:47:51 AM   
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so, what is your Plan B for when this country hits the wall & ends up like Argentina?

meh, I got a cunt, that is something there is always a market for.

Maybe you should be using [it] now and stashing your earnings in Switzerland.

Under your scenario, what good would earnings made now be?

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RE: Trump, Sanders, politics...it doesn't matter now - 5/19/2016 12:03:04 PM   
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quote:

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so, what is your Plan B for when this country hits the wall & ends up like Argentina?

meh, I got a cunt, that is something there is always a market for.

Maybe you should be using [it] now and stashing your earnings in Switzerland.

Under your scenario, what good would earnings made now be?

Well, hey, we are after all, put on this earth to make some fucking money as my investor/banker friends always kept telling me back in my no, Va. days.

Plus, it can never be too late to save for the coming financial Armageddon we keep hearing about. You know...all of those 'worthless' dollars the world still keeps foolishly chasing and buying are we are told...going to go poof. Switzerland isn't the Switzerland we've grown to know and love for its steady banking history...for nothing.

I am just thinking and spreading the word about all this for anyone who has children and those children that have or are planning on having of their own if any. Don't think most of this will go down until 2040 or 50 at least and maybe not even by then. Still, in the mean time, there is always a lot of war that can be made and while true enough, US bonds will finance those wars but until when...for how long ?

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RE: Trump, Sanders, politics...it doesn't matter now - 5/19/2016 1:52:36 PM   
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This thread has won the Tin Foil Hat Award.



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RE: Trump, Sanders, politics...it doesn't matter now - 5/19/2016 2:42:30 PM   
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I WAS going to work in the Bilderberg group. Thank you for the tin foil hat first. Well, anyway, the gold standard will change to the .22 bullet standard.

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RE: Trump, Sanders, politics...it doesn't matter now - 5/19/2016 2:54:48 PM   
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so, what is your Plan B for when this country hits the wall & ends up like Argentina?

meh, I got a cunt, that is something there is always a market for.


Gawdammit girl....you got the money maker.....move in with me....I'll help you sell it (and if ANYONE knows how to sell ANYTHING......baby....it's me :) )

(And if anyone debates that.....you just sit on the sidewalk....I'll send you a few crumbs while I alter the world....it'll make you feel good about yourself).

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RE: Trump, Sanders, politics...it doesn't matter now - 5/19/2016 2:56:51 PM   
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so, what is your Plan B for when this country hits the wall & ends up like Argentina?

meh, I got a cunt, that is something there is always a market for.

Maybe you should be using [it] now and stashing your earnings in Switzerland.

Under your scenario, what good would earnings made now be?


Stashed/invested in real estate.....I'd venture.....better than Apple.

And if I was in charge.....well.....it'd be invested in real estate.

(Every time).

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RE: Trump, Sanders, politics...it doesn't matter now - 5/20/2016 7:21:39 AM   
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I WAS going to work in the Bilderberg group. Thank you for the tin foil hat first. Well, anyway, the gold standard will change to the .22 bullet standard.

Well you and Aylee are doing a fine job. Keep up the good work. Obama has been basically 8 years of Bush lite...without another meltdown.

Oh and I am pretty sure you have to be invited into the cabal and any of their 'groups.' At least that's what George Washington, Benjamin Disraeli, Amschel Rothschild, Woodrow Wilson and John Kennedy were trying tell us.

Oh but hey, don't read their advice. What the hell did those crackpots know ?

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RE: Trump, Sanders, politics...it doesn't matter now - 5/20/2016 7:26:08 AM   
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so, what is your Plan B for when this country hits the wall & ends up like Argentina?

meh, I got a cunt, that is something there is always a market for.


Gawdammit girl....you got the money maker.....move in with me....I'll help you sell it (and if ANYONE knows how to sell ANYTHING......baby....it's me :) )

(And if anyone debates that.....you just sit on the sidewalk....I'll send you a few crumbs while I alter the world....it'll make you feel good about yourself).

Easy man...pussy sells itself and [it] has been since the beginning of time.

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RE: Trump, Sanders, politics...it doesn't matter now - 5/20/2016 12:57:08 PM   
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RE: Trump, Sanders, politics...it doesn't matter now - 5/21/2016 7:57:09 AM   
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Hum, maybe you're right:

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/05/20/clinton-not-trump-upsets-major-nato-allies-needs-a-medical-test-say-european-leaders/

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RE: Trump, Sanders, politics...it doesn't matter now - 5/21/2016 10:45:13 AM   
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Hum, maybe you're right:

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/05/20/clinton-not-trump-upsets-major-nato-allies-needs-a-medical-test-say-european-leaders/


Clinton is simply chin music and which is of no consequence. Poland and Hungary are small potatoes and will eventually fall in line to the new western hegemony. In fact, the mere fact that they vote in such kooks, falls right in line with the future.

You see, this is their 'what does America know ?' stage. Then when it is time, it will be 'oh ok, we see now.' Why in the fuck do you think the US threw $5 billion at Ukraine ? (30% of Russia's hard industry and armor production) (Iran/Iraq of the 50's/60's revisited) To start shit...that's why.

What is misunderstood is that Russia (the only real concern) after Putin (remember...the long game) will fall in line with the European region and will still have their oil, so.....!! So all of eastern Europe will fall right in line by then too.

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RE: Trump, Sanders, politics...it doesn't matter now - 5/21/2016 11:12:13 AM   
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It doesn't really matter.


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RE: Trump, Sanders, politics...it doesn't matter now - 5/21/2016 12:02:02 PM   
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Hum, maybe you're right:

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/05/20/clinton-not-trump-upsets-major-nato-allies-needs-a-medical-test-say-european-leaders/


Clinton is simply chin music and which is of no consequence. Poland and Hungary are small potatoes and will eventually fall in line to the new western hegemony. In fact, the mere fact that they vote in such kooks, falls right in line with the future.

You see, this is their 'what does America know ?' stage. Then when it is time, it will be 'oh ok, we see now.' Why in the fuck do you think the US threw $5 billion at Ukraine ? (30% of Russia's hard industry and armor production) (Iran/Iraq of the 50's/60's revisited) To start shit...that's why.

What is misunderstood is that Russia (the only real concern) after Putin (remember...the long game) will fall in line with the European region and will still have their oil, so.....!! So all of eastern Europe will fall right in line by then too.

I read this and before I could respond I had to go outside with my FA revolver and practice some quick draws.

In the old days, Ghangis Khan would pull up before a city with his horde behind him. If the gate to the city was closed to the hoard, Ghangis would erect a white tent before the city's walls. On the second day Ghangis would take down the white tent and erect a red tent. On the third day Ghangis took down the red tent and erected a black tent.

The white tent meant, since you have closed your door to me I demand your surrender. If you surrender now I will only kill the prince of the city and promise everyone else will be unmolested.

The red tent meant, since you did not surrender yesterday, if you surrender today, I will only kill every man in the city, everyone else will be left unmolested.

The black tent meant, since you have not surrendered to me, I will take your city and kill everything alive in it; men, women, children, dogs, cats, farm animals, everything. Which he then proceeded to do.

So, there are a couple of points:

Taking over the world has been a pretty reoccurring occupation for a long time.

A lot of people have tried. Nobody has completely succeed. Those who came close eventually ended up on the trash heap of history no matter how close they came.

Obviously, a lot of people die, on both sides while the trying is happening.

Some people helping it happen are like socialists, useful idiots to be used and discarded when it is useful to do so.

Some people helping it happen buy in to the system, like the individual members of Khan's Golden Horde.

History, despite a lot of attempts at world domination, did develop the Western Enlightenment and created the principal that government was only tolerated to serve the individual. (Which I understand is not practiced well, or in Europe, but is still and ideal.)

When the white tent is erected before your city, maybe it's wise to throw the prince over the wall and open the gate because in history, eventually this too will pass.

It's a lot more fun to be outside the gate looking at the tents than inside the wall looking at the tents, even though tomorrow you may have to ride your horse against the city and may die in the adventure.

A progressive view that they can invent a government that won't eventually morph into this type of thing is a joke. The progressive view that they can invent a government that will be a benign parent that teaches all of its little subjects how to be good subjects is even more stupid. A progressive view that we can build a government that will have the power to take from some people and equitably distribute to others less advantaged and will never abuse that power is a cosmic joke.

A conservative view that a smaller, less powerful, government would probably mitigate this sort of thing from happening. Notice, I didn't say prevent, I said mitigate. You can see progressives fighting smaller government every day. It's an ongoing ordeal.

Everyone is going to die someday. Whether you are inside or outside the city you are going to die, so pick the hill you'll die upon and have fun with it.

Every day you say it doesn't matter, "because I have no power" gives the Khan more power because he has a positive attitude. Every arrow you fling over the wall at the Horde makes the Horde smaller so eventually history will balance the Horde.

Do not fear, everything you now have will eventually go away anyway, so enjoy the fight, but do it intelligently so you don't become a personal target of the Khan. He is pretty inventive at making your last moments painful.

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