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respectmen -> RE: In NYC You Could be Fined for ‘Misgendering’ Someone. MASSIVE Fines… (5/21/2016 6:44:15 AM)

Lucy, this isn't about who it only applies to. This is about a stupid fucking law that forces people (only land lords and employers) to call a spade a fucking spade.

How does this make the situation any better or refute the point again?

Please stop trying to side step the issue and sugar coat it with your leftist junk.

No one, no fucking person on this planet should be FORCED or else be punished to call out what gender a person is instead of playing pretend games.

Why should everyone else play pretend games just because a person chooses to?

Can I pretend to be fucking Jesus and demand all landlords and employers to treat me as such? What's your argument to that? What I just said is just as stupid as pretending to be another gender.

Your stance is absolutely ridiculous and holds no standing ground what so ever to logic and fact.




respectmen -> RE: In NYC You Could be Fined for ‘Misgendering’ Someone. MASSIVE Fines… (5/21/2016 6:48:36 AM)

The leftists really have no argument here. They are basically saying, we have to abide what others define themselves as or be punished.

Fuck off you totalitarian freaks.




Lucylastic -> RE: In NYC You Could be Fined for ‘Misgendering’ Someone. MASSIVE Fines… (5/21/2016 6:53:14 AM)

look sweetie...you are the one that comes out looking like a right twatwaffle.
Its your problem, in every post.
You are the one clinging to **white male victimhood**.
totalitarian freak indeed.
gotta larf





Aylee -> RE: In NYC You Could be Fined for ‘Misgendering’ Someone. MASSIVE Fines… (5/21/2016 6:55:22 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


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ORIGINAL: respectmen

http://louderwithcrowder.com/in-nyc-its-now-a-250000-find-for-misgendering-someone/

Another blow from the totalitarian left.

Basically, if a man is pretending to be a woman, you can be punished for not pretending along with him.


From your link
New York City has warned landlords, employers and businesses they could be running afoul of the law by purposely calling a transgender woman “him” or “Mr.” when she prefers a female title and pronoun, or by barring her from using a women’s restroom.
New guidelines detail the legal protections of transgender and gender-nonconforming New Yorkers and what constitutes discrimination under the city’s Human Rights Law, the New York City Commission on Human Rights said on Monday.
Some 25,000 transgender and gender non-conforming people live in New York City, where discrimination based on gender identity and expression has been illegal since 2002.


Please go check out the actual gender identity legal guidance site to get the actual wording, Crowder and his buds are throwing out bullshit.
http://www.nyc.gov/html/cchr/html/law/gender-identity-legalguidance.shtml#3

IV. PENALTIES IN ADMINISTRATIVE ACTIONS

The Commission can impose civil penalties up to $125,000 for violations, and up to $250,000 for violations that are the result of willful, wanton, or malicious conduct. The amount of a civil penalty will be guided by the following factors, among others:

* The severity of the particular violation;
* The existence of previous or subsequent violations;
* The employer’s size, considering both the total number of employees and its revenue; and
* The employer’s actual or constructive knowledge of the NYCHRL.

Now I know you hate lefties and you hate feminism(females and males), but you are just too arrogant to look for facts.
But the thought police arent actually gonna slap you with a fine for being an ignorant douche bag for refusing to call a trans woman her.
Not unless you are a business/landlord/employer.




Compelled speech is not free speech. I do not see this passing a first amendment case.

We can’t be required to even display a license plate that says “Live Free or Die” on our car, if we object to the message; that’s what the court held in Wooley v. Maynard (1978).

The words "ze," “sie” (not the German version), “ey,” “ve,” “tey,” “e,” “(f)ae,” “per” and “xe," do carry an obvious political connotation (endorsement of the “non-binary” view of gender.) This regulation is requiring people to actually say words that convey a message of approval of the view that gender is a matter of self-perception rather than anatomy, and that, as to “ze,” were deliberately created to convey that message.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/cchr/html/law/gender-identity-legalguidance.shtml

quote:

The NYCHRL [New York City Human Rights Law] requires employers[, landlords, and all businesses and professionals] to use an [employee’s, tenant’s, customer’s, or client’s] preferred name, pronoun and title (e.g., Ms./Mrs.) regardless of the individual’s sex assigned at birth, anatomy, gender, medical history, appearance, or the sex indicated on the individual’s identification.

Most individuals and many transgender people use female or male pronouns and titles. Some transgender and gender non-conforming people prefer to use pronouns other than he/him/his or she/her/hers, such as they/them/theirs or ze/hir. [Footnote: Ze and hir are popular gender-free pronouns preferred by some transgender and/or gender non-conforming individuals.] …

Examples of Violations

a. Intentional or repeated refusal to use an individual’s preferred name, pronoun or title. For example, repeatedly calling a transgender woman “him” or “Mr.” after she has made clear which pronouns and title she uses …

Covered entities may avoid violations of the NYCHRL by creating a policy of asking everyone what their preferred gender pronoun is so that no individual is singled out for such questions and by updating their systems to allow all individuals to self-identify their names and genders. They should not limit the options for identification to male and female only.


What’s more, according to the City, “refusal to use a transgender employee’s preferred name, pronoun, or title may constitute unlawful gender-based harassment.” The label “harassment” is important here because harassment law requires employers and businesses to prevent harassment by co-workers and patrons and not just by themselves or their own employees; this is particularly well established for harassment by co-workers, but it has also been accepted for harassment by fellow patrons. So an employer or business that learns that its employees or patrons are “refus[ing] to use a transgender employee’s preferred” pronoun or title would have to threaten to fire or eject such people unless they comply with the City’s demands. (The logic would also apply to landlords having to threaten to eject tenants who refuse to use co-tenants’ preferred pronouns or titles, but that’s less certain.)




Aylee -> RE: In NYC You Could be Fined for ‘Misgendering’ Someone. MASSIVE Fines… (5/21/2016 6:58:20 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: respectmen

Lucy, this isn't about who it only applies to. This is about a stupid fucking law that forces people (only land lords and employers) to call a spade a fucking spade.

How does this make the situation any better or refute the point again?

Please stop trying to side step the issue and sugar coat it with your leftist junk.

No one, no fucking person on this planet should be FORCED or else be punished to call out what gender a person is instead of playing pretend games.

Why should everyone else play pretend games just because a person chooses to?

Can I pretend to be fucking Jesus and demand all landlords and employers to treat me as such? What's your argument to that? What I just said is just as stupid as pretending to be another gender.

Your stance is absolutely ridiculous and holds no standing ground what so ever to logic and fact.



presumably the same logic that applies to gender-related self-chosen titles would apply to religion-related self-chosen titles. Both sex and religious discrimination are, after all, prohibited by the same laws; by the City’s logic, if you call a Catholic priest “Father,” you’d have to use whatever other self-chosen religious titles people insist on.




respectmen -> RE: In NYC You Could be Fined for ‘Misgendering’ Someone. MASSIVE Fines… (5/21/2016 6:58:37 AM)

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You are the one clinging to **white male victimhood**.


I am looking for where this is indicated in here in regards of this topic???

That said though, you leftists are a bunch of white male hating morons. Why don't you pack your bags and move to Saudi Arabia if you hate us so much.

Oh that's right, you wont because white men treat women better than nearly any other colour of men in the world.

If you hate us so much, just go, leave to the middle east, you scum bag.




respectmen -> RE: In NYC You Could be Fined for ‘Misgendering’ Someone. MASSIVE Fines… (5/21/2016 7:06:37 AM)

I want to pretend to be an animal of any kind. A cat, dog, sheep...whatever.

Can I sue others for denying this?

This is beyond retarded.




crazyml -> RE: In NYC You Could be Fined for ‘Misgendering’ Someone. MASSIVE Fines… (5/21/2016 8:29:51 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: respectmen

The leftists really have no argument here. They are basically saying, we have to abide what others define themselves as or be punished.

Fuck off you totalitarian freaks.


Oh poppet.... getting all shouty again. Gosh... you and the other MRA loon on these boards have a lot in common.

This was a law passed by a democratically elected body.

You mischaracterised the nature of the law, either as a deliberate lie or because you were too stupid to read more.

Then you get angry when called up on it.

Bless your heart.




tweakabelle -> RE: In NYC You Could be Fined for ‘Misgendering’ Someone. MASSIVE Fines… (5/21/2016 9:03:07 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: respectmen

I want to pretend to be an animal of any kind. A cat, dog, sheep...whatever.



I'm more than happy to accommodate your request.

You are a male chauvinist pig!

Feel better now sweetie?

Gotta larf




Aylee -> RE: In NYC You Could be Fined for ‘Misgendering’ Someone. MASSIVE Fines… (5/21/2016 9:09:26 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: crazyml


quote:

ORIGINAL: respectmen

The leftists really have no argument here. They are basically saying, we have to abide what others define themselves as or be punished.

Fuck off you totalitarian freaks.


Oh poppet.... getting all shouty again. Gosh... you and the other MRA loon on these boards have a lot in common.

This was a law passed by a democratically elected body.

You mischaracterised the nature of the law, either as a deliberate lie or because you were too stupid to read more.

Then you get angry when called up on it.

Bless your heart.



The New York City Commission on Human Rights is not a democratically elected body.




crazyml -> RE: In NYC You Could be Fined for ‘Misgendering’ Someone. MASSIVE Fines… (5/21/2016 9:22:08 AM)

Well it should come as an enormous relief to you to know that the NYC Commission on Human Rights doesn't make any laws.

The City Council does.




respectmen -> RE: In NYC You Could be Fined for ‘Misgendering’ Someone. MASSIVE Fines… (5/21/2016 9:31:21 AM)

FORCING people to think one way is totalitarian.

I'm fine if people think they are one gender or the other. Just don't expect others to go by it.




Nnanji -> RE: In NYC You Could be Fined for ‘Misgendering’ Someone. MASSIVE Fines… (5/21/2016 9:58:44 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: crazyml


quote:

ORIGINAL: respectmen

The leftists really have no argument here. They are basically saying, we have to abide what others define themselves as or be punished.

Fuck off you totalitarian freaks.


Oh poppet.... getting all shouty again. Gosh... you and the other MRA loon on these boards have a lot in common.

This was a law passed by a democratically elected body.

You mischaracterised the nature of the law, either as a deliberate lie or because you were too stupid to read more.

Then you get angry when called up on it.

Bless your heart.

Hum, slavery and separate but equal was passed by a democratically elected body. So, in your mind what ever government does shouldn't be questioned?




crazyml -> RE: In NYC You Could be Fined for ‘Misgendering’ Someone. MASSIVE Fines… (5/21/2016 10:00:52 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Nnanji


quote:

ORIGINAL: crazyml


quote:

ORIGINAL: respectmen

The leftists really have no argument here. They are basically saying, we have to abide what others define themselves as or be punished.

Fuck off you totalitarian freaks.


Oh poppet.... getting all shouty again. Gosh... you and the other MRA loon on these boards have a lot in common.

This was a law passed by a democratically elected body.

You mischaracterised the nature of the law, either as a deliberate lie or because you were too stupid to read more.

Then you get angry when called up on it.

Bless your heart.

Hum, slavery and separate but equal was passed by a democratically elected body. So, in your mind what ever government does shouldn't be questioned?


No by no means, quite the opposite. If you're unhappy with a law you should campaign for it to be changed. But simply "blaming the government" is a pointless thing to do - since we appoint the government.




Nnanji -> RE: In NYC You Could be Fined for ‘Misgendering’ Someone. MASSIVE Fines… (5/21/2016 10:02:27 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

look sweetie...you are the one that comes out looking like a right twatwaffle.
Its your problem, in every post.
You are the one clinging to **white male victimhood**.
totalitarian freak indeed.
gotta larf



So you agree that the whole victimology of the left has always been stupid, has gone way past the point where it should be part of any discussion, and in the future you will treat it with the same regard you treat it here in this post?




Nnanji -> RE: In NYC You Could be Fined for ‘Misgendering’ Someone. MASSIVE Fines… (5/21/2016 10:04:07 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: crazyml


quote:

ORIGINAL: Nnanji


quote:

ORIGINAL: crazyml


quote:

ORIGINAL: respectmen

The leftists really have no argument here. They are basically saying, we have to abide what others define themselves as or be punished.

Fuck off you totalitarian freaks.


Oh poppet.... getting all shouty again. Gosh... you and the other MRA loon on these boards have a lot in common.

This was a law passed by a democratically elected body.

You mischaracterised the nature of the law, either as a deliberate lie or because you were too stupid to read more.

Then you get angry when called up on it.

Bless your heart.

Hum, slavery and separate but equal was passed by a democratically elected body. So, in your mind what ever government does shouldn't be questioned?


No by no means, quite the opposite. If you're unhappy with a law you should campaign for it to be changed. But simply "blaming the government" is a pointless thing to do - since we appoint the government.

If you toss in "unconstitutional" with that "unhappy with the law" I'll agree.




PeonForHer -> RE: In NYC You Could be Fined for ‘Misgendering’ Someone. MASSIVE Fines… (5/21/2016 10:26:26 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: respectmen

FORCING people to think one way is totalitarian.

I'm fine if people think they are one gender or the other. Just don't expect others to go by it.



So you'd be OK with people calling you Miss plus your surname?




WhoreMods -> RE: In NYC You Could be Fined for ‘Misgendering’ Someone. MASSIVE Fines… (5/21/2016 11:14:29 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


quote:

ORIGINAL: respectmen

FORCING people to think one way is totalitarian.

I'm fine if people think they are one gender or the other. Just don't expect others to go by it.



So you'd be OK with people calling you Miss plus your surname?

Of course he would: people normally call him "cunt" don't they?




respectmen -> RE: In NYC You Could be Fined for ‘Misgendering’ Someone. MASSIVE Fines… (5/21/2016 11:26:49 AM)

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Of course he would: people normally call him "cunt" don't they?


Oh, no, sue the pants off of them!

But wait, that would be ridiculous.

Gotta love irony.




Termyn8or -> RE: In NYC You Could be Fined for ‘Misgendering’ Someone. MASSIVE Fines… (5/21/2016 12:49:52 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: respectmen

The leftists really have no argument here. They are basically saying, we have to abide what others define themselves as or be punished.

Fuck off you totalitarian freaks.


Despite what Lucy said being true, I agree. They are totally off the wall about this. Like you with your incessant blind support for White Men, going too far costs people who would otherwise support the view.

I am not a liberal, I even use the Nword in front of Black people but I DO NOT call them that. Like Chris Rock in "Feel The Pain". I am quite radical in my views but agree that most of them should not be applied to society, especially by law.

Accept it, I do. The world is going liberal. Eventually classes in English are going to include "proper addressing" n shit. People will give up their guns. The Constitution will be nullified even more than it is now and there will be cameras like in England and you will be strip searched at randon at any time, even if you have a proper government issued ID and no warrants.

You will register your knives over 6" long blades, there will be catalytic convertors on your lawnmowers (and the way these people write laws, even on the electric powered ones) and the debt will be $500 quadrillion even though we defaulted a few years ago. Foreigners will not be able to be prosecuted but they can prosecute us if we are born in this country, and only Women will be able to divorce Men, not the other way around. (remember the Jews ? I divorce you I divorce you I divorce you, Women couldn't do that)

There might even be areas of Sharia law, and to get it they will cite that the US government used to let the Natives use peyote and marijuana. Certain races and religions will have special protection and funding for security (Jews already get this) and anyone who is even heterosexual will be discriminated against. In other words, being normal will be a curse.

T^T




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