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DocStrange -> RE: Internal Enslavement v Total Power Exchange (5/27/2016 10:43:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Housemaster96 Before I start I should make a few points to make the reading easier. When I write sub I mean submissive or slave. When I write Don I mean Dom/Domme/Master. Being male I will refer to a sub as she even tough it can be a male. Personally I do not understand the terms Fetish, Kink or Taboo. To me these are vanilla phrases meaning generally out of the ordinary. So the question really is what is the norm? What two people do (without affecting anyone else) has nothing to do with anyone except themselves. Some men like the feel of a condom on their erection, so do these have a fetish or rubber kink? Many women like to wear stockings, basques or even a choker, so are these kinks or unusual? BDSM is purely about freedom to fully express our inner being without the constraints of society. There is a lot of profiles with TPE (Total Power Exchange). This can be from the trivial to total control but tends to refer to the physical aspects of control like appearance, dress, positions. In this case the sub gives her permission. Again this can be from the trivial to the total control. So a sub can have limits on the control she gives to allowing full control. Internal Enslavement is more psychological and refers to openness and revealing inner thoughts and emotions. Unlike TPE the sub becomes so open she naturally loses her ability to withhold permission. This is why IE is considered the "softer" option than TPE. The main difference in punishment is; In TPE the sub usually experiences corporeal punishment. In Internal Enslavement it can be isolation or even worse by sending them from the doms presence. I worked at one time as a psychologist in a hospital. This involved single people who had sexual dysfunction to couples who were having sexual difficulties. Of course I recognized BDSM traits in some; Victorian lifestyle, latex, corporeal punishment and bondage to name a few. However, the majority resolved the issues with Internal Enslavement techniques where TPE would not have had an effect. If anyone has any questions about IE then message me. Well if you did work as a degreed psychologist and you do not understand the basics concepts of TPE, Kink, Fetish and Taboo, then you need to go back to school. These are very well established concepts in sexual psychology. Sex produces joy, love, comfort, affection and in some cases ecstasy. Ecstasy is not just physical but very much psychological. With BDSM, TPE, Kink, Taboo, and Fetish are very large psychological aspects of enjoyment and sexual enjoyment from those activities. In BDSM we do not call it Ecstasy per say but more know as sub space and Dom space. Regardless, if you cannot understand the basic concepts of Kink, Taboo and Fetish then you have a lot to learn about BDSM and the lifestyle.

LilJuly76 -> RE: Internal Enslavement v Total Power Exchange (5/27/2016 11:55:47 AM)
just read his profile, guess it seems he has a warped sense of what submissives actually are, I may be a submissive in a relationship but I'm also a consenting adult. the only time I act child like is if I'm in a deep subspace but than again I usually don't know what I'm doing than.

OsideGirl -> RE: Internal Enslavement v Total Power Exchange (5/27/2016 12:03:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LilJuly76 just read his profile, guess it seems he has a warped sense of what submissives actually are, I may be a submissive in a relationship but I'm also a consenting adult. the only time I act child like is if I'm in a deep subspace but than again I usually don't know what I'm doing than. Both the profile and lectures appear to be fantasist's view of D/s relationships.

LilJuly76 -> RE: Internal Enslavement v Total Power Exchange (5/27/2016 12:26:47 PM)
so true, but I guess a lot of newbies seem to have fantasy's about what D/s really is.

BitaTruble -> RE: Internal Enslavement v Total Power Exchange (5/27/2016 12:28:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DocStrange Sex produces joy, love, comfort, affection and in some cases ecstasy. That's a joke, right? Sex produces a sore ass and burned lima beans and.. sometimes the possibility of zygotes. You know what Michael learned when he was still in 301 class? You can have your sex and lima beans, too. Do not grab your slave by the hair, drag her into the back room and fuck her ass like a bunny without giving her the opportunity to turn off the stove otherwise.. the lima beans get burned. The sex industry is far reaching and has caused plenty of money to flow into the economy when dinner has to be scraped and fast food is the only thing open in your town passed 8 PM. Sex produces love.. [:D].. that's really, really funny. I should write a book.. "Hookers in Love: The Dark Secret of the Sex Industry". You just made life easier for everyone on the planet who can't find a partner. Get a hooker.. pay the one time fee.. get the sex on and BOOM.. LOVE. Have babies, adopt puppies and live happy in the ever after. God.. I can't believe Disney hasn't thought of this already! Sex produces sweat, wet spots if yer lucky (or unlucky if you have to sleep in it), maybe a good dose of endorphins or adrenaline and it induces a whole lot of other stuff.. but joy, love and the rest... those are not rules, nor even standards. I think what you've done is simply put forth how 'sex' is for you which may not be at all how it is for the OP or anyone else. I don't think the OP 'gets it' (he used the word 'trivial' in relation to 'total' which does point to some cluelessness) but I don't think LP gets it either.. nor do I think 'you' get it. The problem is the opening post is so very bad that it will be hard to have a conversation about the subject because the glaring lack of credibility almost requires it to be mocked. Almost. I had already clicked on LP's post to quote so I could respond after I finished reading this thread, but, Doc.. your post made me nearly snort coffee through my nose and I just had to respond. Best laugh I've had this week although I don't think that was your intention. Hell.. I'm still grinning.

Spiritedsub2 -> RE: Internal Enslavement v Total Power Exchange (5/27/2016 2:44:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl quote: ORIGINAL: LilJuly76 just read his profile, guess it seems he has a warped sense of what submissives actually are, I may be a submissive in a relationship but I'm also a consenting adult. the only time I act child like is if I'm in a deep subspace but than again I usually don't know what I'm doing than. Both the profile and lectures appear to be fantasist's view of D/s relationships. I suspect the lectures are geared to fulfill a humiliation fetish.

OsideGirl -> RE: Internal Enslavement v Total Power Exchange (5/27/2016 3:00:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BitaTruble The problem is the opening post is so very bad that it will be hard to have a conversation about the subject because the glaring lack of credibility almost requires it to be mocked. I agree, it could have been a really good topic and Kaliko said some very point on things. But, the opening post ruins it.

LilJuly76 -> RE: Internal Enslavement v Total Power Exchange (5/27/2016 3:07:07 PM)
hmm never thought of that, maybe he would like to humiliate a submissive, lotsa luck there

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Internal Enslavement v Total Power Exchange (5/27/2016 3:10:55 PM)
quote: so true, but I guess a lot of newbies seem to have fantasy's about what D/s really is. True, but then again so do some old timers. We all have our fantasies, Hell, a whole fuck of a lot of all D/s is just acting out fantasy anyway, so to me it's not really that big a deal. the difference is in one's ability to separate the fantasy from the reality, to recognize where one ends and the other begins..

LilJuly76 -> RE: Internal Enslavement v Total Power Exchange (5/27/2016 3:23:47 PM)
when they can't separate that's when it's bad. as long as people are able to pull fantasy away from every day life then its ok to lose yourself when you aren't busy, that makes no sense but I know what I mean.

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Internal Enslavement v Total Power Exchange (5/27/2016 3:36:34 PM)
Actually it makes perfect sense to me. But that is not necessarily a ringing endorsement. [;)]

LilJuly76 -> RE: Internal Enslavement v Total Power Exchange (5/27/2016 3:53:32 PM)
especially to the ones that can't tell fantasy from reality. it's kind of like can't pull a celebrity away from the character

OsideGirl -> RE: Internal Enslavement v Total Power Exchange (5/27/2016 4:19:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick quote: so true, but I guess a lot of newbies seem to have fantasy's about what D/s really is. True, but then again so do some old timers. We all have our fantasies, Hell, a whole fuck of a lot of all D/s is just acting out fantasy anyway, so to me it's not really that big a deal. the difference is in one's ability to separate the fantasy from the reality, to recognize where one ends and the other begins.. I agree. It's usually evidenced by evidenced by the revolving door of relationships - from the submissives that think being Dominant means they're omnipotent to the Dominants that think that submission equals having no needs or wants. When the fantasy doesn't work, they blame the other person rather than their own expectations. I've long thought that so many people make this way more difficult and/or fluffily romantic than it really is. IE does exist, but the reality is that it's just conditioning and reinforcement. It's the reason why Jonestown ended with 909 people dead. I'm not saying IE is evil, I'm just saying it's not something magical that is the sole domain of D/s relationships.

LilJuly76 -> RE: Internal Enslavement v Total Power Exchange (5/27/2016 4:38:50 PM)
maybe he should try typing a business letter sometime in nothing but handcuffs and a ball gag to cut out the complaints then he can tell me how sex and fantasy that is

DocStrange -> RE: Internal Enslavement v Total Power Exchange (5/27/2016 4:39:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BitaTruble quote: ORIGINAL: DocStrange Sex produces joy, love, comfort, affection and in some cases ecstasy. That's a joke, right? Sex produces a sore ass and burned lima beans and.. sometimes the possibility of zygotes. You know what Michael learned when he was still in 301 class? You can have your sex and lima beans, too. Do not grab your slave by the hair, drag her into the back room and fuck her ass like a bunny without giving her the opportunity to turn off the stove otherwise.. the lima beans get burned. The sex industry is far reaching and has caused plenty of money to flow into the economy when dinner has to be scraped and fast food is the only thing open in your town passed 8 PM. Sex produces love.. [:D].. that's really, really funny. I should write a book.. "Hookers in Love: The Dark Secret of the Sex Industry". You just made life easier for everyone on the planet who can't find a partner. Get a hooker.. pay the one time fee.. get the sex on and BOOM.. LOVE. Have babies, adopt puppies and live happy in the ever after. God.. I can't believe Disney hasn't thought of this already! Sex produces sweat, wet spots if yer lucky (or unlucky if you have to sleep in it), maybe a good dose of endorphins or adrenaline and it induces a whole lot of other stuff.. but joy, love and the rest... those are not rules, nor even standards. I think what you've done is simply put forth how 'sex' is for you which may not be at all how it is for the OP or anyone else. I don't think the OP 'gets it' (he used the word 'trivial' in relation to 'total' which does point to some cluelessness) but I don't think LP gets it either.. nor do I think 'you' get it. The problem is the opening post is so very bad that it will be hard to have a conversation about the subject because the glaring lack of credibility almost requires it to be mocked. Almost. I had already clicked on LP's post to quote so I could respond after I finished reading this thread, but, Doc.. your post made me nearly snort coffee through my nose and I just had to respond. Best laugh I've had this week although I don't think that was your intention. Hell.. I'm still grinning. Well at least it made you laugh. Laughter is always a good thing :) I did not mean it as a joke. I was paraphrasing from a psychology journal where in the term sex is not meant as just a physical act but the psychological aspects as well. I guess I should rephrase it to say sexual play often includes love, comfort, affection as well as many other mental aspects. When I used the term PRODUCE I did not meant as to create something that was not already there. Rather is creates deeper feelings of love, comfort, affection. That is not an absolute but is more the norm than not.

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Internal Enslavement v Total Power Exchange (5/27/2016 4:48:48 PM)
quote: I've long thought that so many people make this way more difficult and/or fluffily romantic than it really is. Absolutely! It is just a relationship at heart, two (or more) people relating to each other in order to try meet their needs and desires as best they can, and like all relationships they are messy and clumsy and full of dead ends and sputters and stops and starts. I have found that by not trying to make the D/s aspect the defining aspect of the relationship things just plain work better. Yeah they are the final bosses, and by just accepting that reality without mythologizing it or trying to make that fact somehow make our relationship somehow more or deeper, we all find that things just work more smoothly, we all get what we like/want, and we manage to be happy together more often than not. quote: IE does exist, but the reality is that it's just conditioning and reinforcement. It's the reason why Jonestown ended with 909 people dead. I'm not saying IE is evil, I'm just saying it's not something magical that is the sole domain of D/s relationships. Oooooo. An EXCELLENT point!

FieryOpal -> RE: Internal Enslavement v Total Power Exchange (5/28/2016 5:53:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: verbatimguy I knew what the "T" stood for but that doesnt say what it means since nothing ios total. Even a pet can leave when it wants to (if it can). You are mixing up 'total' with "absolute," just like the OP is confusing the hell out of Mental Bondage as being apart from TPE. Totality is for the duration of ownership, whether it is with a slave or with a pet or both; there is no such thing as absolutely irrevocable D/s slave ownership. quote: ORIGINAL: Housemaster96 Personally I do not understand the terms Fetish, Kink or Taboo. To me these are vanilla phrases meaning generally out of the ordinary. As noted below, quote: ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist I don't think you really understand TPE either. quote: ORIGINAL: DocStrange Regardless, if you cannot understand the basic concepts of Kink, Taboo and Fetish then you have a lot to learn about BDSM and the lifestyle. It seems to me that OP considers Internal Enslavement to be synonymous with some desirable (to him) state of cult-like brainwashing, in which case he really is clueless about BDSM between consenting adults. He has chosen the dysfunctional vanilla co-dependency model to illustrate how a successful (to him) D/s model should operate, because he goes on to state: quote: ORIGINAL: Housemaster96 Unlike TPE the sub becomes so open she naturally loses her ability to withhold permission. So this is your end goal then, to achieve a state of consent-revoking enslavement? You claim to be an Expert at Mental Bondage in your profile, but how does the tyranny of Machiavellian puppetmaster tactics make you into a Master worthy of voluntary submission? quote: ORIGINAL: Housemaster96 However, the majority resolved the issues with Internal Enslavement techniques where TPE would not have had an effect. What might these 'techniques' be, and how would brainwashing techniques factor into your model of mindless free-will eradication?

LilJuly76 -> RE: Internal Enslavement v Total Power Exchange (5/29/2016 4:52:04 AM)
all good points. my question would be would a slave be willing to submit to him?

DannyIsNotWelcom -> RE: Internal Enslavement v Total Power Exchange (6/12/2016 2:59:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aliendragun With TPE I decide if you sleep or stay awake,eat or starve,live or die. Do you mean to say you can kill your slave if you feel like it and that's OK and you should not be prosecuted for that?

cloudboy -> RE: Internal Enslavement v Total Power Exchange (6/20/2016 1:29:21 PM)
Interesting post. I think all D/s relationships have a component of internal slavery that might be combined with some physical or fetishistic kinks. I like your idea that a furrowed brow could have 70 times more impact than than a harsh paddling. For some, the harsh paddling might be 70 times easier and less painful.

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