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RE: Pakistani Men Can Now “Lightly Beat” Their Wive... - 6/4/2016 3:51:27 PM   
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Oh, and you clearly have no idea what the regressive left is. Educate yourself - there's a good chap.


Easy-peasy. 'Regressive leftism' is defined as 'anything done by the regressive left', hmm?
No, the use of the phrase "regressive left" springs from the minds of Sam Harris and Maajid Nawaz. It describes a section of the left which panders to Islam under the guise of multiculturalism. Y'see unlike feminism, there's a clear set of progenitors of the phrase and it's well defined. Whereas you can't describe how the word 'feminism' came about, who the progenitors were, define the ideology and beliefs of the people who use it, nor provide examples of who can be considered a feminist. Strangely, you can only describe people who aren't feminists.

Amazing.



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RE: Pakistani Men Can Now “Lightly Beat” Their Wive... - 6/5/2016 5:00:22 AM   
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You ever read any of it? Let's have some citations of its contents demonstrating that it covers no issues besides religion.
I don't think you understand how this works. You're the one claiming there's more to Charlie Hedbo beyond its obvious anti-religious bigotry, it's up to you to support that claim.

Christ, what passes for reason in this place is truly abysmal.



There you go.
Your turn. Demonstrate that CH has no agenda or content besides mocking religion.

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RE: Pakistani Men Can Now “Lightly Beat” Their Wive... - 6/5/2016 8:37:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		You idiot. A fucking comic's not going to do it. Show me a reasoned critique of Charlie Hedbo which supports the claims you're making or just fuck off. Jesus Christ, you're fucking dim.

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RE: Pakistani Men Can Now “Lightly Beat” Their Wive... - 6/5/2016 8:45:53 AM   
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You idiot. A fucking comic's not going to do it. Show me a reasoned critique of Charlie Hedbo which supports the claims you're making or just fuck off. Jesus Christ, you're fucking dim.

So where's the religious imagery being mocked on that front cover? The absence of a grinning Jihadist, Jew or Catholic on there would seem to be an argument that the magazine contains satirical material on other subjects besides religion.
You show me a reasoned critique which supports your contention that the magazine has no content that does not concern religion. Expecting me to substantiate my statements when it appears to be beneath your dignity to even pretend that you're trying to prove your own is utterly pathetic.

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RE: Pakistani Men Can Now “Lightly Beat” Their Wive... - 6/5/2016 8:55:10 AM   
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RE: Pakistani Men Can Now “Lightly Beat” Their Wive... - 6/5/2016 9:16:36 AM   
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Well, that's why I went for a front cover cartoon: the fact that the immigrant isn't wearing a turban or a yarmulke seemed obvious even if you can't understand the contents of the speech bubble or the caption.

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RE: Pakistani Men Can Now “Lightly Beat” Their Wive... - 6/5/2016 11:51:06 AM   
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RE: Pakistani Men Can Now “Lightly Beat” Their Wive... - 6/5/2016 12:10:00 PM   
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But these Muslims are alot more hard headed. So the Women should put their hands over the baby's mouth and nose until he stops trying to breathe.

They DO have the means to free themselves of this fucking shit. It take two to breed and there are two fucking billion of them. And they would be doing the world a favor by getting rid of those rapists. And the refugees who want us to change our laws for them. Like the group in Canada that wanted all pork removed from the school cafeterias. Fuck them and the camel they rode in on. This is OUR country. And don't you forget it. And don't forget that we got guns and we will stack you up like cordwood on the streetcorners. Maybe the liberals won't, but they are actually less than half the people here, no matter what Europeans or Australian or whoever wish. We ain't taking your shit and we ain't letting Mean in the girl's rooms at schools. We do not care the law, the guy will meet his fate out in the fucking parking lot. We are still just as lawless as we were in the old west. The only thing that curbed crime is better enforcement.

And I do believe that shit like that is going to start happening. If these asshole religious nuts would leave abortion clinics alone they could blow away quite a few people who really have it coming. But they won't. Fucking shoot them then.

I am up to the eyebrows in human garbage. I want it gone. Who is with me ?

Nobody ? Fine. You live with it, I am old and will be dead soon enough. Let your kids live with it. Go right ahead. They get raped, sold into white slavery or whatever because you had to be politically correct, well I am sorry but I am not at fault. I done told you to close the borders, I done said alot of other things.

You and yours will bear the consequences of this ultraliberalism. Have at it.

And you know what ? If all those broads now getting raped in the UK and Scandanvian country=ies had gun they would not be raped. There would be a dead rapist in a pool of blood. Barbaric ? Aren't rapists barbaric ? Or do you think they are just misunderstood ?

Fukum.

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RE: Pakistani Men Can Now “Lightly Beat” Their Wive... - 6/5/2016 12:15:16 PM   
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Like the group in Canada that wanted all pork removed from the school cafeterias. Fuck them and the camel they rode in on. This is OUR country.

Really? I thought you'd yet to annex Canada.


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RE: Pakistani Men Can Now “Lightly Beat” Their Wive... - 6/5/2016 2:42:08 PM   
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Oh, and you clearly have no idea what the regressive left is. Educate yourself - there's a good chap.


Easy-peasy. 'Regressive leftism' is defined as 'anything done by the regressive left', hmm?
No, the use of the phrase "regressive left" springs from the minds of Sam Harris and Maajid Nawaz. It describes a section of the left which panders to Islam under the guise of multiculturalism. Y'see unlike feminism, there's a clear set of progenitors of the phrase and it's well defined. Whereas you can't describe how the word 'feminism' came about, who the progenitors were, define the ideology and beliefs of the people who use it, nor provide examples of who can be considered a feminist. Strangely, you can only describe people who aren't feminists.

Amazing.




Why would I want to describe to you how the word 'feminism' came about, plus the history of it, etc, etc; when you've demonstrated over and again that you disdain even to look at the simple definition of it? At long, long last, I've finally got tired of chucking pearls before swine, old boy.


As for 'the regressive left' - like you, I had to look up the definition of this odd little phrase. This is because it's much more recent and has a far smaller and narrower currency (though I've noticed that plenty of frothing windbags have pounced on it avidly). 'Feminism', on the other hand, has a *vast* body of thought behind it. I'm clear that you have contempt for all that thought but I realise, now, that it'll never be that kind of contempt that is bred by familiarity.

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RE: Pakistani Men Can Now “Lightly Beat” Their Wive... - 6/5/2016 4:34:19 PM   
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Like the group in Canada that wanted all pork removed from the school cafeterias. Fuck them and the camel they rode in on. This is OUR country.

Really? I thought you'd yet to annex Canada.



I worded it wrong.

But now that you mention it, it would be nice to own Canada. How many in their military, we might just have to pick that area up.

Ans then we wouldn't need a passport to drive to Alaska. That would be cool.

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RE: Pakistani Men Can Now “Lightly Beat” Their Wive... - 6/6/2016 12:24:55 AM   
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RE: Pakistani Men Can Now “Lightly Beat” Their Wive... - 6/6/2016 5:50:23 AM   
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Oh, and you clearly have no idea what the regressive left is. Educate yourself - there's a good chap.


Easy-peasy. 'Regressive leftism' is defined as 'anything done by the regressive left', hmm?
No, the use of the phrase "regressive left" springs from the minds of Sam Harris and Maajid Nawaz. It describes a section of the left which panders to Islam under the guise of multiculturalism. Y'see unlike feminism, there's a clear set of progenitors of the phrase and it's well defined. Whereas you can't describe how the word 'feminism' came about, who the progenitors were, define the ideology and beliefs of the people who use it, nor provide examples of who can be considered a feminist. Strangely, you can only describe people who aren't feminists.

Amazing.



Feminism began as a term in France (feminisme) around the end of the 1800s. However, the principals behind this actual term - i.e., the struggle for equality - have been around since the beginning of the Western world. It came to the U.S. at the beginning of the 1900s via an article about a French Suffragist named Madeline Pelltier. But it didn't come into popular usage until the 1960s or 1970s. At that time, women's liberationist was actually the preferred term, but that started to get a bad name, so it was abandoned for feminism.

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RE: Pakistani Men Can Now “Lightly Beat” Their Wive... - 6/6/2016 7:39:00 AM   
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At that time, women's liberationist was actually the preferred term, but that started to get a bad name, so it was abandoned for feminism.

Which is pretty funny now when you look at the way some of more insecure male dominants in here start carrying on at the mere mention of the "f" word, isn't it?

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RE: Pakistani Men Can Now “Lightly Beat” Their Wive... - 6/6/2016 7:57:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Feminists themselves have done in the term. More extreme views supported by shaky rationale became associated with it while the more moderate branches simply assented by silence. It became not about women making their own choices, but that women had to make the choices feminists dictated.

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RE: Pakistani Men Can Now “Lightly Beat” Their Wive... - 6/6/2016 8:55:59 AM   
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Feminists themselves have done in the term. More extreme views supported by shaky rationale became associated with it while the more moderate branches simply assented by silence. It became not about women making their own choices, but that women had to make the choices feminists dictated.


Feminism, as a broad movement, has played a central role in materially improving the lives of hundreds of millions of women across the globe. It empowered women to make choices for themselves that were previously unavailable to them. It achieved all this without any formal structure or recognised 'leaders' against an entrenched formidable power structure.

This level of achievement is simply not possible if "women had to make the choices feminists dictated". Political feminism, as a political force, opened the doors and helped create a more positive legislative framework. But ultimately decisions are left to individual women who make their own choices for themselves. Feminism is not driven by the movement's ideologues or the more well known public feminists (eg Steinem, Greer etc) or the vacuous reporting of feminism in the mass media.

Feminism is driven by hundreds of millions of women making their own choices for themselves, many of whom would have little or no familiarity with the works of those academic and/or theoretical feminists that the media loves to project as "feminist leaders".

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RE: Pakistani Men Can Now “Lightly Beat” Their Wive... - 6/6/2016 8:58:37 AM   
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The discussion is about the connotation of the term, not the broader movement (which has, as the discussion notes, multiple terms).

Or maybe you just need to bother to read before reacting.

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RE: Pakistani Men Can Now “Lightly Beat” Their Wive... - 6/6/2016 9:04:27 AM   
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RE: Pakistani Men Can Now “Lightly Beat” Their Wive... - 6/6/2016 9:09:49 AM   
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The (perfectly civil until you) discussion is about the origins and connotation of the term feminism. Not the history of the movement.

But if we're down to attitude, I don't need this childishness from you on any topic. So let's say goodbye.

Meanwhile, what I shared is precisely accurate.

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RE: Pakistani Men Can Now “Lightly Beat” Their Wive... - 6/6/2016 9:35:04 AM   
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Feminists themselves have done in the term. More extreme views supported by shaky rationale became associated with it while the more moderate branches simply assented by silence. It became not about women making their own choices, but that women had to make the choices feminists dictated.



I think the bulk of the fault lay - and still does lie - with those who are doing the associating. It's the opposite of the 'no true Scotsman' effect ('only a 'pure' feminist is a 'true' feminist'): there have been just so many antis who have been free and easy about lumping in anything women have said or done that they consider to be nasty or extreme under that definition, the better to tar all with the same brush. Meanwhile, mainstream feminists are supposed to disown all those nasties and extremists - in much the same way that, these days, all mainstream Muslims are continually required to disown Islamic fundamentalists.

You see the same phenomenon occasionally amongst the bigger and more established groupings in western politics - but it's a lot rarer. I've seen few demands here on these boards, for instance, for well-known republicans to disown Trump's views; nor for those who we all know to be lefties (myself included) to renounce Marx, Stalin or Pol Pot.

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