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PeonForHer -> RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? (6/17/2016 3:45:00 AM)
quote: Some of us actually talk to hookers when they are not working, you know. I'd imagine it's quite difficult to have a chat and a cup of tea with a hooker who is working at the time.

Caylios -> RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? (6/17/2016 4:18:51 AM)
fast reply Hookers are people too though. I have had 2 or 3 who have been friends over my years (never engaged any of them professionally though) I found they were very down to earth but no bullshit type people. a lot of honesty there and I was fortunate in that they were all strong in character. none of those "no other options but to sell youself" types or the addicted types.

thompsonx -> RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? (6/17/2016 5:50:38 AM)
ORIGINAL: PeonForHer I'd imagine it's quite difficult to have a chat and a cup of tea with a hooker who is working at the time. Not at all. She works by the hour.[:D]

tj444 -> RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? (6/20/2016 1:05:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 So a man having a relationship with a woman is him paying for sex??? How many women do you know who insist on exclusivity as the price for fucking someone? quote: and so a man gets nothing more from that relationship than sex? omfg.. That depends entirely on the woman and what she brings to the table. quote: One of the major reasons I dumped my ex was cuz he stopped wanting sex, and for me, I need the physical closeness I get from sex and that intimacy to keep love alive and replenished.. once love disappears you are just roommates.. who needs that? And in the case of my ex, when we split up I didnt demand anything from him, no "payment" at all (finally getting away was all I needed).. I even gave him back my wedding ring as it was his grandmothers and I felt that giving it back was the right thing to do.. Btw, he never asked for the ring back, it was my idea to do that.. That's all very well and good, but the divorce courts are full of women who seem to think they should be compensated for the time they spent in the relationship. Amber Heard seems to think she deserves $50,000 a month for fucking Johnny Depp on a regular basis for a year and a half. That seems awfully bloody transactional to me. You are married & you dont cheat, you say.. if you are in a relationship/marriage (unless its open or allowed) then its not just women that want exclusivity, men do as well.. And ffs, using a celebrity as an example is not representative at all.. celebs live in their own world & its not the real world.. but since you brought it up, what compensation would you want if you were the one fucking Depp for 1-1/2 years? [:'(] I think he is one of the sleaziest guys out there (near the sleaze factor of Woody Allen).. ick..

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? (6/20/2016 4:57:11 PM)
quote: How many women do you know who insist on exclusivity as the price for fucking someone? Less than the number of men who insist on it.

AtUrCervix -> RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? (6/20/2016 6:08:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: seekingOwnertoo Yesterday, Sunday before Memorial Day), late morning. I went to a local bar/restaurant. The bartender knew my name (i still don't know hers.) I was the only one there. So we talked, a lot. She is from Alaska and Montana; got married to her boyfriend of 4 years who joined the service. They moved to South Carolina and within a year, found out marriage would never work. This was all before she reached 21! So now she is tending bar and trying to save for school. She is also studying to become a Manager at the Bar/Restaurant I stopped at. As additional information, she lives alone in an apartment less than a quarter mile from me. Plus, she is struggling to get the money together to buy a laptop for school. Then I got home and saw in the Detroit Free Press, an article that mentions: arrangements are becoming very popular for young women. And we all know what an arrangement entails; no? [;)] This morning, I was doing some housework, and the thought occurred to me. She has no friends or family locally. So why not talk more with her about an arrangement? My thoughts of course are: she could live with me for free and save the money she earns; we both would share some companionship and comfort; and i could get sex regularly. Of course when she had every thing worked out in her life; she would be free to go. Ya know, I kind of liked the idea ... so Please do share your thoughts; about a 21 year old girl becoming the kept submissive of a 59 year old man. :-) Myself, just love that age range. LOL You're a guy. You moved the equation...far....too far. De're it be.

Awareness -> RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? (6/20/2016 6:45:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 You are married & you dont cheat, you say.. if you are in a relationship/marriage (unless its open or allowed) then its not just women that want exclusivity, men do as well.. Depends on the circumstances. Men don't care about exclusivity for women who are just a fuck - they do about women who are a partner/potential mother of their children, because women are property. quote: And ffs, using a celebrity as an example is not representative at all.. celebs live in their own world & its not the real world.. but since you brought it up, what compensation would you want if you were the one fucking Depp for 1-1/2 years? [:'(] I think he is one of the sleaziest guys out there (near the sleaze factor of Woody Allen).. ick.. A) Women are incredibly influenced by popular culture and popular culture not only tends to influence their values it often tends to reflect them. Amber Heard is a reflection of many women's often expressed sense of entitlement - being married is apparently a contract job. B) Johnny Depp has been a heartthrob for 30 years. If you think he's equivalent to an alleged paedophile because some morally bankrupt harlot is trying to blackmail him, then you're a few sandwiches short of a picnic.

thompsonx -> RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? (6/21/2016 6:12:07 AM)
ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick How many women do you know who insist on exclusivity as the price for fucking someone? Less than the number of men who insist on it. Roflmfao

thompsonx -> RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? (6/21/2016 6:17:28 AM)
ORIGINAL: Awareness Depends on the circumstances. Men don't care about exclusivity for women who are just a fuck - You don't get out much do you? because women are property. Opinions vary. A) Women are incredibly influenced by popular culture and popular culture not only tends to influence their values it often tends to reflect them. Why do you think this is the exclusive realm of women? being married is apparently a contract job. You have an uncanny grasp of the obvious. B) Johnny Depp has been a heartthrob for 30 years. Mybe for you but not for me. If you think he's equivalent to an alleged paedophile because some morally bankrupt harlot is trying to blackmail him, then you're a few sandwiches short of a picnic. Which picnic did you attend with mr. depp and his g/f where you gleaned all of this "inside info"?

UllrsIshtar -> RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? (6/22/2016 10:58:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick There are men who will pay for sex, but still care about her sexual pleasure because his a natural giver. And there are men who will even pay for sex, on top of only taking care of her sexual pleasure and not his own. Are you trying to tell me you used to be a prostitute? How else would you know these things? Some of us actually talk to hookers when they are not working, you know. I do not doubt that. The fact is that that conversation is hearsay and not first hand as gretta would like us to believe. shrugs As somebody who actually used to be a hooker it's a statement I can confirm. I got occasional proposals from clients who wanted to pay to eat me out (which I always turned down, because it's something that I don't enjoy and don't orgasm from, so wasn't the right girl for them). And men who want 'the girlfriend experience' invariable wanted assurance that I actually orgasmed from penetrative acts with them. Personally I preferred "wham, bam, thankyou ma'am" type engagements, which were by far the most frequenl, but it really wasn't unusual at all for a client to be very concerned that I was enjoying myself as well. I don't really understand why somebody would want to pay a hooker to eat her out, but the guys that do are out there.

tj444 -> RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? (6/22/2016 11:20:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 You are married & you dont cheat, you say.. if you are in a relationship/marriage (unless its open or allowed) then its not just women that want exclusivity, men do as well.. Depends on the circumstances. Men don't care about exclusivity for women who are just a fuck - they do about women who are a partner/potential mother of their children, because women are property. quote: And ffs, using a celebrity as an example is not representative at all.. celebs live in their own world & its not the real world.. but since you brought it up, what compensation would you want if you were the one fucking Depp for 1-1/2 years? [:'(] I think he is one of the sleaziest guys out there (near the sleaze factor of Woody Allen).. ick.. A) Women are incredibly influenced by popular culture and popular culture not only tends to influence their values it often tends to reflect them. Amber Heard is a reflection of many women's often expressed sense of entitlement - being married is apparently a contract job. B) Johnny Depp has been a heartthrob for 30 years. If you think he's equivalent to an alleged paedophile because some morally bankrupt harlot is trying to blackmail him, then you're a few sandwiches short of a picnic. A) so you are saying women are airheads, cuz you say they are so easily influenced by popular culture.. not all women are, I couldnt give a shite about her or what she does.. and I care even less than that about him.. B) I never said he was a paedophile, and no, my opinion of him has nothing to do with his marriage to her.. it has to do with the fact that he was married when he met her and dumped his wife & kids to be with her.. dumping the wife for a younger model is the popular culture than old/older male farts have a sense of entitlement to do, yeah, its men that are saying its a contract job.. at least Amber heard isnt so stupid to spend years (& several kids) with that so called "heartthrob"..

PeonForHer -> RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? (6/22/2016 12:28:30 PM)
quote: I don't really understand why somebody would want to pay a hooker to eat her out, but the guys that do are out there. Eh? I thought you knew men better than that, Ishtar!

UllrsIshtar -> RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? (6/22/2016 2:12:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: I don't really understand why somebody would want to pay a hooker to eat her out, but the guys that do are out there. Eh? I thought you knew men better than that, Ishtar! Apparently I don't, so please enlighten me. [:D] I can imagine a guy wanting a girlfriend experience wanting to eat her out 'to put her in the mood' and then fuck her (which I also didn't do... see above) but paying a hooker just to eat her out, and not getting off himself? That one has me baffled. And yes, I know there's submissive guys who do enjoy giving head, but again, it doesn't seem like a hooker is a likely target for that, considering that such men are all about pleasing the woman, and a hooker usually doesn't much enjoy getting head on the job (not just me, but other working girls I've talked to about it). Also, all of the guys who propositioned me that way where very whinny/demanding/insistent when I turned them down, much more so even than the guys I turned down for anal and other stuff I didn't like to do. So it hardly seems like 'pleasing' me would have been the motivation.

PeonForHer -> RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? (6/22/2016 4:15:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: I don't really understand why somebody would want to pay a hooker to eat her out, but the guys that do are out there. Eh? I thought you knew men better than that, Ishtar! Apparently I don't, so please enlighten me. [:D] I can imagine a guy wanting a girlfriend experience wanting to eat her out 'to put her in the mood' and then fuck her (which I also didn't do... see above) but paying a hooker just to eat her out, and not getting off himself? That one has me baffled. And yes, I know there's submissive guys who do enjoy giving head, but again, it doesn't seem like a hooker is a likely target for that, considering that such men are all about pleasing the woman, and a hooker usually doesn't much enjoy getting head on the job (not just me, but other working girls I've talked to about it). Also, all of the guys who propositioned me that way where very whinny/demanding/insistent when I turned them down, much more so even than the guys I turned down for anal and other stuff I didn't like to do. So it hardly seems like 'pleasing' me would have been the motivation. He can eat her out, then go home and crack one off by himself. Probably many times. But you're shifting the goal posts when you talk about sub males who want to please you, and I'm sure you know it. We weren't talking about supposedly 'true sub males' - we were talking about your former clients! In certain men's worlds, the fantasy is that you, the lady in question, love to be eaten out - which is great, because we love to do said eating out. I am talking about the classic 'do me sub's' world, of course. I mean, gawd. A woman tells me that she hates the feeling of it, I'd be massively disappointed. It would kill my buzz entirely. But if she kind of liked it, at least a bit, and could pretend that she actually liked it a lot ... for my sake, and of course for the sake of the money ... Well, I would be very appreciative. I mean, I would have been very appreciative, that one time, many years ago, when I visited a prostitute, in Amsterdam. She looked at me like I was a disturbed lunatic of some sort, when I asked, 'Could I ....?' But then I took one glance at her face and quickly said, 'No, it's OK, forget it'. Then she started to give me a BJ, as per her previously-stated 'conditions of business'. It was either ten minutes of BJ, or ten minutes of my bonking her. I knew I couldn't do the latter - because I'd have felt like kissing her, but assumed that she'd not want that - which would have made me feel how low the whole thing was - and made me wilt. Which would have made me feel even worse. That was screwy enough in itself. Nup. The BJ seemed to be the easier option.... But it didn't work. I felt like I was in entirely the wrong world. I just lay there thinking, 'What the fuck is this? This is not real.' I wilted, of course. She looked up to me and said, in a strong Dutch accent, 'You must concentrate!'. Yep. Nope. By that time, I just wanted to be gone. Dismal experience, overall. Not repeated since. I knew I couldn't 'do' prostitutes, after that. The whole thing - it's just not my world. Not me.

UllrsIshtar -> RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? (6/22/2016 9:11:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer In certain men's worlds, the fantasy is that you, the lady in question, love to be eaten out - which is great, because we love to do said eating out. I guess that makes sense. Although I have a hard time wrapping my head around it. I think it's because -speaking to the whole point of sex being transaction- women generally don't like giving bjs for the sake of giving bjs... even women who really do like giving bjs a lot. It's hard to, for instance, imagine a woman who would pay a man to give him a bj, even in a hypothetical reality where it would be as hard to convince a random guy to let you give him a bj as it is in our own reality for a man to convince a random woman to let him eat her out. I can't picture any woman -even one who likes giving bjs- really liking it enough to pay a man to allow her to do it, so it's hard to imagine men not taking the same approach to it I suppose. quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer I mean, I would have been very appreciative, that one time, many years ago, when I visited a prostitute, in Amsterdam. She looked at me like I was a disturbed lunatic of some sort, when I asked, 'Could I ....?' But then I took one glance at her face and quickly said, 'No, it's OK, forget it'. Considering that I used to work in Amsterdam, how long ago was this? [;)] I do hope I never made any of my clients feel like he was a disturbed lunatic for asking to eat me out though. My standard reply to such request was to refer him to one of my colleagues who did engage in such things, hopefully in a more tactful manner than your gall did. quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer Yep. Nope. By that time, I just wanted to be gone. That's one of the reasons red-light district girls like 'newbies'... there's a 50/50 chance that once they're in they'll feel so awkward that they'll be out again in short order (while seasoned guys always try to push time limits). That and the fact that when you tell them after 15 minutes that they have to fork over more cash to continue, they don't tend to protest as much as seasoned guys. What you're describing happens a lot with inexperienced guys (inexperience with hookers, not in general), and when it's a tourist (instead of local potentially repeat business) the girls are usually more interested in getting him out the door quicker, instead of making him enjoy the experience more. Turn over is everything when it comes to renting a window, as you need to do at least 3-8 guys a shift to pay for the rent of the window (depending on time of day and location). You do less men than that, you're working for free, or barely breaking even. So depending on how early/late in her shift it is, and how her day is going, sometimes the girl will have an incentive to try to turn you off so that she can get ride of you faster.

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? (6/22/2016 9:14:27 PM)
And they say there's no romance left in the world. [:D]

PeonForHer -> RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? (6/23/2016 4:44:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick And they say there's no romance left in the world. [:D] Yes, the tears well up and I can almost hear the theme to 'Love Story' every time I open this thread.

PeonForHer -> RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? (6/23/2016 4:54:58 AM)
quote: That's one of the reasons red-light district girls like 'newbies'... there's a 50/50 chance that once they're in they'll feel so awkward that they'll be out again in short order (while seasoned guys always try to push time limits). That and the fact that when you tell them after 15 minutes that they have to fork over more cash to continue, they don't tend to protest as much as seasoned guys. What you're describing happens a lot with inexperienced guys (inexperience with hookers, not in general), and when it's a tourist (instead of local potentially repeat business) the girls are usually more interested in getting him out the door quicker, instead of making him enjoy the experience more. Turn over is everything when it comes to renting a window, as you need to do at least 3-8 guys a shift to pay for the rent of the window (depending on time of day and location). You do less men than that, you're working for free, or barely breaking even. So depending on how early/late in her shift it is, and how her day is going, sometimes the girl will have an incentive to try to turn you off so that she can get ride of you faster. This all happened decades ago. I remember what she looked like very well - something very 'Victorian' about her. Chiselled features, long nose. Classical good looks, as far as I was concerned. Yep, what you say makes sense. Her 'window' wasn't on the main streets - I found her down one of the less-frequented ones. I doubt that her trade had been good that night. She asked me, as soon as I got in the room, whether I'd visited a prostitute before and I replied in the negative. Also, since I'm clearly a tourist, I'm not likely to be good for long term business - the best strategy would be to get me dealt with pronto, no doubt. We sat and chatted for a few minutes after the physical stuff. I thought her brains were worth picking on a couple of matters - well, hell, given her professional experience - it seemed too good an opportunity to miss. She seemed happy enough to talk, albeit briefly. You know - a nice touch: she took a tissue and patted herself between the legs at the end of it. As though she'd actually got turned on during the whole proceeding. I doubt that she had but, well, I appreciated the gesture, anyway. God that experience was so damned weird. It's part of the reason why I couldn't see a findom now.

Awareness -> RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? (6/23/2016 9:39:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 A) so you are saying women are airheads, cuz you say they are so easily influenced by popular culture.. not all women are, I couldnt give a shite about her or what she does.. and I care even less than that about him.. Women are influenced by fucking EVERYTHING. Popular culture, the people around them, the fucking weather, their hormones, the degree of difference between their dress and another woman's dress, the opinions of others, their need to project a self-image which is patently not true - ye gods the list goes on and on. Oh, and this is the ironic part, each one of these women will insist she's an individual who is "not like other women". So yes - women live in a perpetually shifting reality - which is why strong men are a beacon of stability. In contrast men (not the pitiful excuses for manhood who describe themselves as 'male feminists' but actual men) tend to insist on reality being defined in their own terms - to an almost delusional extent. This has its obvious drawbacks - as denying the reality of gravity can easily get you killed - but since most social reality is perceptual, it's astonishingly effective at influencing less powerful minds. quote: B) I never said he was a paedophile, and no, my opinion of him has nothing to do with his marriage to her.. it has to do with the fact that he was married when he met her and dumped his wife & kids to be with her.. dumping the wife for a younger model is the popular culture than old/older male farts have a sense of entitlement to do, yeah, its men that are saying its a contract job.. at least Amber heard isnt so stupid to spend years (& several kids) with that so called "heartthrob".. Y'know, I'm so tired of bothering with fucking airheads. You are a fucking airhead. A) Johnny Depp and Vanessa Paradis never married. B) There's no credible source which indicates he cheated on Vanessa Paradis C) When an older woman dumps a husband for a younger man, it's apparently because he deserved it and she has every right to dump him and find her own happiness. When an older man dumps a partner for a younger woman, it's because he's a scumbag who has a sense of entitlement. You airheads are astonishingly inconsistent. D) Amber Heard's accusations have been attacked by Vanessa Paradis who wrote a letter labeling them outrageous and said that "this looks nothing like the man I lived with for 14 wonderful years". She clearly doesn't have a chip on her shoulder about the experience, so why the fuck should you? Christ some women are so fucking stupid it's a wonder they can breathe and walk at the same time.

Awareness -> RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? (6/23/2016 9:40:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar I don't really understand why somebody would want to pay a hooker to eat her out, but the guys that do are out there. Because they're so manifestly incompetent at seducing women that they'll pay for an experience they can't get any other way.

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