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ORIGINAL: Staleek Your interpretation of how science works, as well as evolution, is quite remarkable, but for the wrong reasons. Still, no harm in that. I want to cut out a lot of the crap and boil this down though, because this is getting a little absurd and I can't be bothered with it anymore. In other words, you're losing and want to cut and run. Unsurprising. However, given that you're the one who seems to be having trouble with the science, I'm amused by the irony. quote:
In all honesty, and despite the tantrum you're inevitably going to throw, I advise you to read this post carefully and take it with you to wherever else you post, because it might just stop you from looking like an idiot. Given your original post was an attempt to feel better about yourself by positing an idea which flies in the face of the evolutionary principles we're discussing, you really should take your own advice. Part of the problem here is that it's astonishingly easy to divine your intent. And your intent is founded in your weakness. I have no intention of apologising for hurting your little feelings. Suck it up. You know... like a man. quote:
1. Evolution works by natural selection. Mutations in the gene pool make each and every single organism out there subtly different, even from their own species. These subtle differences, over time, will ensure that a creature either has a small advantage or disadvantage over others. Many thousands of generations are required for these differences to really kick in, (if you don't believe in saltation), but when they do the animals with the advantage tend to outlive and outlast those with the disadvantage due to environmental pressures. Wrong. Natural selection operates solely on survival to the point reproductive success, with continued reproductive success conveying further advantage. And it's not about "advantage over others", that's a mis-characterisation of the mechanisms at work. "Advantage over others" is a nebulous term which means nothing without definition. In short, natural selection is a passive mechanism which describes the propagation of genes based upon reproductive success which is contingent upon adaption to the environment. That environment includes multiple selection pressures, many of which may be unknowable. As for "Many thousands of generations are required for these differences to really kick in", that's highly speculative. If a mutation doesn't convey immediate advantage, there is no reason to suppose it will dominate reproduction. If it doesn't dominate reproduction, there's no reason for a given mutation to survive above others. Irrelevance snipped. Honestly, you really don't seem to understand this, so your continued parroting of your ignorance is just idiocy on your part. quote:
2. Evolution doesn't work by psychic eugenics. In no history did a female ape look out from her tree and say "You know, this climate is becoming rather dryer. In two millions years these forests are likely to disappear. I think I'll find a mate with longer legs to screw so my kids can walk on the ground better, then our species can start developing in the right direction!". I am going to be extremely charitable and politely point out that this theory does not have scientific consensus. Amazing. Do you often blather on about complete irrelevancies which have nothing to do with the topic? Christ, you must be a fuckload of fun at parties. What am I saying? You don't get invited to parties. quote:
Yes, the mating game plays a part, but not in the way you seem to think. Most animals just try to nail anything of the opposite sex in an attempt to push out as many copies of themselves as possible. Bollocks. Animals engage in intense competition for mates. Given that pregnancy and young rearing tends to take a female out of the mating pool for some time, it's most often the males competing for mates. quote:
But some pair up and create families. But that's a cultural thing Right. You're asserting culture somehow magically appeared before language. This thing you do where you try and pretend you know what the fuck you're talking about - it's not working out too well for you. quote:
(yes, even the simple act of not eating each other and sharing food is an act of culture). No, that's an aspect of psychology. Otherwise the human race would have cannibalised itself really early on. Christ, this should be fucking obvious. quote:
And these cultural pressures are themselves subject to natural selection. In some situations pairing up with the strongest and most powerful mate will confer an advantage in breeding. But in other situations pairing up with a faster mate, or a smarter mate, or a mate less prone to disease, will all yield better survival chances. Applying your own particular preferences, based on your self-image, to the entirety of not only humanity but the natural world is kind of... egotistical. You clearly don't understand how this works. Sexual selection in women is based upon picking winners. That is, they're naturally attracted to those men who dominate the tribal pyramid. Those men already have women, are already reproducing at a great rate of knots and their genes are likely to propagate. It's advantageous to get some of that dominant action because the offspring of dominant tribal members are more likely to survive. So no, women don't engage in evolutionary analysis to decide who to fuck. They use shortcuts. And men who demonstrate social dominance or who already have women are prime examples of those shortcuts. Now you can pretend with all your heart that this sexual selection doesn't exist, but, I'm afraid it does. Your fear of male competition doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And your whining about "male oppression" is just your way of complaining about this very phenomenon. quote:
3. More generally, I am sure you're not only a mighty mighty macho man but also a paragon of intellect and wisdom. However, admitting mistakes or a lack of knowledge on a particular subject is not a weakness. Indeed continuing to keep on trying to pretend you know what you're talking about when it's crystal clear you don't is a sign of weakness. Believing you're right about everything in spite of all established facts working against you is a sign of megalomania. And being afraid to be seen to be wrong is a sign of massive insecurity. Wow, your little beta ego really IS suffering some major butthurt. It's rare to see such a stream of posts designed to salvage a wounded self-image, but you're clearly reeling from being bitch slapped. quote:
I know your ego is going to demand a manly tantrum, so have at it and get it off your chest. However this advice might serve you well in debates in the future. Best of luck to you. Someone call the waaaahmbulance, we've got a bleeder here!
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