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Termyn8or -> RE: Are you as angry ? I am (6/5/2016 11:11:11 PM)

"Many years ago, I saw a bumper sticker..."Don't re-elect anybody""

I wrote that.

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MrRodgers -> RE: Are you as angry ? I am (6/6/2016 1:36:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

I didn't realize how angry I was about what the House and Senate are doing…or, more accurately, not doing…until I heard someone who should know better say that Congress would be “returning to work” this week after being out of town for its Memorial Day recess.

Yes, representatives and senators will be coming back to Washington. But saying that Congress will be returning to work is so ridiculous that it should become the standard definition of an oxymoron , that is, of a self-contradictory phrase that can’t possibly be true.

Lowlites:

The Senate has done even less than the House. The Senate Budget Committee has used the phony excuse of wanting to see what the House does before deciding how to do a budget resolution of its own. As a result, the Senate so far hasn’t done anything this year on the budget and it’s increasingly obvious that it won’t.

(For the record, the Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act requires that Congress adopt a budget resolution each year by April 15, that is, almost two months ago. It doesn’t require that the House go first or mandate that the Senate wait for the House to act.)

Indeed, given how few days are left before the start of the fiscal year (the House is only scheduled to be in session for 33 days between now and October 1; the Senate is only scheduled to be in session for 46), and the strong likelihood that there will be little-to-no legislative business conducted on some of these days, it’s very possible that Congress won’t act an any of the fiscal 2017 appropriations and that a CR covering all federal departments and agencies will be needed.

All these hearings accomplished was to prove the long-held common wisdom among federal budget wonks that Congress tries to do something about the budget process whenever it can’t or won’t do something about the budget itself.

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My anger increased further when I realized that at least some of the representatives and senators who attended these hearings actually believed that changing the process would make a difference. This was in spite of the fact that (as I told both committees) Congress would defy any new rules with the same impunity it was using to flout the old ones. HERE


Stan Collender I'm the founder of the blog Capital Gains and Games. I moved to DC after getting a graduate degree in public policy from the University of California, Berkeley and have been involved with the federal budget and congressional budget process throughout my entire career. In addition to being one of the few people who has served on the staffs of the House and Senate Budget Committees, I'm the author of The Guide to the Federal Budget, which was published annually from 1982 to 2000 and was one of the most-assigned texts on the topic.

I founded and edited Federal Budget Report, a newsletter that was published for almost two decades. I've also written weekly columns on the budget for NationalJournal.com and Roll Call. I'm currently an executive vice president at Qorvis MSLGROUP, where I work closely with financial services clients. I frequently speak on federal taxes and spending.
The author is a Forbes contributor. The opinions expressed are those of the writer.

How do you feel about Obama not even submitting budgets or is that not as bad because Republicans blah blah blah.

Berating presidents for not submitting budgets has been a partisan congressional fetish for many years and doesn't count for much especially given any congress from the opposing party. However, most of Obama'a have been submitted and the last 3 were Feb, April (3rd attempt) and this year...Feb. so way ahead of time and plenty time for the repubs to shit on it or pass one of their own which is what they've been doing anyway.

It has been the dems twice and the repubs before and after that have dragged their feet. Still, while the dems are no angels, they don't demagogue on their great success in running govts. like the repubs do every two years.

The repubs since Reagan continue to demagogue old tired ridiculous policies that don't work like cutting taxes created jobs. That does not. Cut corp. taxes will create jobs. It does not. The whole supply side bullshit is just that...bullshit. And has been said by GHWB and David Stockman Voodoo economics and just trickle down crap.

Yet every repub candidate still claims that is what this country needs. They call for deregulation of wall street and banking and that will create jobs and increase lending, That will not and just put taxpayers at risk for more investment paper-trading bullshit if not more fraud.




WhoreMods -> RE: Are you as angry ? I am (6/6/2016 5:22:06 AM)

Admitting a budget purely so that the opposition party can force a government shutdown because something it includes they don't like the look of must get a bit depressing, I'd imagine.




DesideriScuri -> RE: Are you as angry ? I am (6/6/2016 5:35:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick
No, just doing the typical Yankish, but-your-side-did-it-first bullshit.


Really? Where did I say that because the Dem's didn't pass a budget that it's okay for the GOP to now not pass a budget? Didn't I equate that they were just as bad?




DesideriScuri -> RE: Are you as angry ? I am (6/6/2016 5:59:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
Still, what the dem senate did wasn't going anywhere in the repub house and a repub congress passing a bill in Dec, IS the problem, over 2 months into the fiscal year. The law says now and the repubs signed onto it, has that they be resolved as of 4/15, to have a budget sometime before 10/1 the beginning of the new year and have never done even that much...law or not.


Still? Yes, the GOP hasn't done their jobs in the budget process. Yes, the Senate GOP is playing a game (above and beyond their not doing their jobs in the budget process) by waiting for the House. And, yes, it's bad.

We do not disagree they have not done their jobs.

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BTW, Bush vetoed dem bills 2006-08.


Proof?

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I am willing to wager that research would show so much more repub intransigence no matter who has the majority as far as spending goes including filibusters of even their own bills and failing to get bills out in time. It is always about some politics with the repubs.


The GOP has dragged it's feet regarding spending bills more than the Democrats? I'm not surprised at all. I rather appreciate that.

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Regardless, no matter what the dems have done in the past, it is the repubs that so piously and arrogantly always tell us about how the dems are this or that problem and continue to this day to say so and it is [we] repubs who are always better at running govt., making small, limited, responsible govt. and all of it since even Nixon, is...unmitigated bullshit.
Even now they demagogue about how Obama has devastated the military and it is all just more partisan bullshit.


Almost everything politicians say is bullshit, left or right. Actions speak louder than words, and that's why I'm not a member of the GOP, and haven't been since 2008.





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