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RE: Only 6 months for Rape - 6/10/2016 7:47:10 PM   
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No he was just re-elected, he had run un-oppossed

Wow! This case seriously had no justice end to it.
That woman gotta stay super strong.

A total miscarriage of justice.



The purpose of a justice system is less the punishment of criminals, but their protection from private justice and thus the avoidance of lynch mobs and blood feuds.

However, it has long been the problem with our current justice system - the lack of justice. This will lead to "community justice."

Others have, in the past, harped on how it's *good* for government to have a near-exclusive monopoly on the use of force .. even though it leads to more *verbal* coarseness.

This is a good example of why I continue to think that position is poor one.

IF the government does not *exercise* its' monopoly in an even-pawed fashion .. (and, as government pretty much *can't* do much in an even-pawed fashion, since it is owned by special interests) THEN we get .. among other things .. #BlackLivesMatter and pervy swimmers showing their rank-privilege.

Then there's this idiocy .. http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/13/us/texas-affluenza-ethan-couch/

I'd suggest a 1 inch diameter sharpened stake for the impacting event for the poor little swimmer, courtesy of "community justice."

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RE: Only 6 months for Rape - 6/10/2016 8:40:55 PM   
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You don't have to give me any warnings around here. And I am not a gun so I don't really have a trigger.

"Be careful what you ask for, Term. I may be able to enlighten you. "

Not knowing you personally that is hard to fathom. But I supposed possible.

"Don't go thinking that just because I'm not the person with superior body mass or strength to beat down an opponent means that I couldn't put them in a vulnerable position.
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I was talking forcible rape so therefore you must mean trickery, martial arts or date rape drugs. I believe I have expressed my views on statutory rape, if the victim is not prepubescent it is not much of a crime. I will grant that people should wait but some simply don't want to and will find anything out there. There is such a thing as too young of course, but guys are in jail for having sex with girls who were considered marrying aged a while back.

"I think it's important that we don't perpetuate the misconception than an erection translates to consent for sexual activity. The reverse of this is the equivalent of women who get wet during forced rape."

Fair enough. I remember a soap opera where a rape victim fell in love with her rapist. I wonder what kind of mesage they were trying to send there, because TV is a message. Do not forget it. Everything you see in the media is produced by people who want to surreptitiously influence society for their own benefit, or that of their friends. This is not tinfoil hat shit, nor is it even secret, it is just not blasted out of speakers on the streetcorners. That includes the people who decide what you hear on the radio.

"Pardon my language, but bull f^cking sh^t. Are you really telling me that you're down for sex with anything with a slit? I know a lot of guys would screw a watermelon if they got half a chance but most aren't happily hopping into bed with someone they don't find sexually attractive due to weight, age, or any other disqualifies. "

I am not down for sex with anyone anymore. I don't really even want to talk to anyone. And actually I can only get it it up under certain conditions. I had it sucked on for a half an hour and nothing happened, because I was not turned on. But you find some 20 year old kid, I think you or anyone is going to have a hard time holding him down. Try it.

"One thing you got right without meaning to. Men. Under. Report. It's not because they "really wanted it" or that kind of jazz. It's because there is a social stigma about men reporting certain crimes, especially if the perpetrator is a woman."

Probably right. And if she is not repulsive then he can go bragging how much she wanted him. The whole mindset is different and part of it is based on anatomy. But even with the underreporting, it is way easier for males to rape females. I can overpower you, rip off your clothes and be ready in a second. I can enter you against your will right away. Now try that on me. You have to get me hard, and for me at least that takes kink. Seriously, regular porn is shit to me. (I want disabled porn, I am sick fuck lol)

But now, what if you held a gun to my head and told me to lick your clams ?

This is one fucked up subject and the people who bring these things up serve a purpose. Let's get it all out in the open. I want rapists executed, and I suspect they are not because enough of the politicians in this country have raped someone along the years. And then we have the Catholics, who are very well connected.

I AM alright, the world is all wrong.

"We have to get past that kind of crap. Wouldn't you agree? "

We have alot more to get past than this issue. The human race is devolving. Rapists are a symptom of a disease, not the root cause. Crime is the symptom of a disease. Drug/alcohol abuse is a symptom of a disease. School shootings are a symptom of a disease.

We need to get past the symptoms and actually diagnose the disease.

But nobody will like the results. People are the disease. The only chance is to take all babies away from their Parents and raise them until about age 15 or so. No religion allowed, no politics, just logic, and of course the reading and writing and rithmatic. No arts, all information. Put these kids on top of the world with a good head start, and later they can study the arts and all that.

Sound like Hitler or some shit ? Well look at what Hitler accomplished. Germany is still enjoying the benefits of his actions.

Some think people should need a license to have kids. China just outlaws it. And Muslims ? Tell you what, take only Muslim Women. I they turn out to be suicide bombers well they only do it once, and they don't get the 72 virgins. I'll make them some pork chops. I mean really tender.

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RE: Only 6 months for Rape - 6/10/2016 11:05:54 PM   
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You don't have to give me any warnings around here. And I am not a gun so I don't really have a trigger.

No offense, but I didn't do it for you. I happen to think there are people on these forums that certain threads aren't good for them. I wouldn't walk into a VA hospital while lighting up a pocket full of firecrackers, either.

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Not knowing you personally that is hard to fathom. But I supposed possible.

It's hard to imagine for most people who know me personally, too. I probably look like most people's grandmothers. I really don't look like much of a physical threat.

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I was talking forcible rape so therefore you must mean trickery, martial arts or date rape drugs. I believe I have expressed my views on statutory rape, if the victim is not prepubescent it is not much of a crime. I will grant that people should wait but some simply don't want to and will find anything out there. There is such a thing as too young of course, but guys are in jail for having sex with girls who were considered marrying aged a while back.

I can't discuss UM's on this thread. It's bad territory.

Considering ADULTS, I consider rape to be all forms of rape. I don't really care how a person has managed it. In my personal opinion, we should also consider those incidents of sexual assault that fall into the 'date rape' or known person category. That illusion of trust can be great leverage.

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Fair enough. I remember a soap opera where a rape victim fell in love with her rapist. I wonder what kind of mesage they were trying to send there, because TV is a message. Do not forget it. Everything you see in the media is produced by people who want to surreptitiously influence society for their own benefit, or that of their friends. This is not tinfoil hat shit, nor is it even secret, it is just not blasted out of speakers on the streetcorners. That includes the people who decide what you hear on the radio.

We'll have to come to a meeting of the minds on this. First, too many people get their concept of the law from TV. A lot of people watch programs like SVU or tune into Court TV and think that's how law works. It's not.

I'm with you that the media exploits certain cases for their own advantage. This includes entertainment programs AND the damn (so-called) news. <Insert eye roll here.>

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I am not down for sex with anyone anymore. I don't really even want to talk to anyone. And actually I can only get it it up under certain conditions. I had it sucked on for a half an hour and nothing happened, because I was not turned on. But you find some 20 year old kid, I think you or anyone is going to have a hard time holding him down. Try it.

Depends on the 20 year old.

I'm pretty serious these days about enthusiastic consent. As kink practitioners, we have to start looking at this. Consent is the only thing that separates us.

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Probably right. And if she is not repulsive then he can go bragging how much she wanted him. The whole mindset is different and part of it is based on anatomy. But even with the underreporting, it is way easier for males to rape females. I can overpower you, rip off your clothes and be ready in a second. I can enter you against your will right away. Now try that on me. You have to get me hard, and for me at least that takes kink. Seriously, regular porn is shit to me. (I want disabled porn, I am sick fuck lol)

In physical strength, I would tend to agree. However, physical strength is not the only attribute.

However, this was not a case of physical strength. This was, very specifically, a case of "too drunk to stand up". How hard is it, really, to assault someone who is drunk and/or unconscious?

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But now, what if you held a gun to my head and told me to lick your clams ?

OK, we're back to leverage.

Criminal law actually addresses the subjects of leverage.

A weapon? You bet.

Levels of intoxication? Yes.

One that kinky people aren't often willing to approach:

Positions of (implied) power. Teachers, ministers, politicians, doctors, etc.

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This is one fucked up subject and the people who bring these things up serve a purpose. Let's get it all out in the open. I want rapists executed, and I suspect they are not because enough of the politicians in this country have raped someone along the years. And then we have the Catholics, who are very well connected.

Why does the term "log cabin republicans" keep going in my head?

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I AM alright, the world is all wrong.

That's a whole other discussion.

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We have alot more to get past than this issue. The human race is devolving. Rapists are a symptom of a disease, not the root cause. Crime is the symptom of a disease. Drug/alcohol abuse is a symptom of a disease. School shootings are a symptom of a disease.

Well, we as a society have a lot of issues. The only way to do it is one matter at a time.

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We need to get past the symptoms and actually diagnose the disease.

Talking about this specific case, one of the mitigating factors here does happen to be collegiate athlete privilege. We have created this culture that, if someone excels at a sport, we'll look the other way or sweep the stuff they do under the rug. Gets worse when they become professional athletes.

Here's something really dumb. I don't even know why it stuck with me. I was driving into work at O Dark Thirty, and I had the Lex and Terry in the morning show on the radio. If I recall correctly, it was about Michael Vick...

"You are one of the fortunate few who is living the dream of playing professional football. Getting paid a lot of money to play a game. How many kids out there want to grow up and be YOU? Yet, you CHOSE to throw all of that away to be a thug. You are not a hero. You are a criminal."

And, he was right.

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But nobody will like the results. People are the disease. The only chance is to take all babies away from their Parents and raise them until about age 15 or so. No religion allowed, no politics, just logic, and of course the reading and writing and rithmatic. No arts, all information. Put these kids on top of the world with a good head start, and later they can study the arts and all that.

Sound like Hitler or some shit ? Well look at what Hitler accomplished. Germany is still enjoying the benefits of his actions.

Some think people should need a license to have kids. China just outlaws it. And Muslims ? Tell you what, take only Muslim Women. I they turn out to be suicide bombers well they only do it once, and they don't get the 72 virgins. I'll make them some pork chops. I mean really tender.

T^T

Ya know, I laughed at Nick recently because he called me a leftist. I was both amused and confused. I have a much stricter view on crime and punishment more often than not. The numbers are so low for those who have committed multiple sexual assaults regarding rehabilitation that I generally can't be bothered. Rob someone of their personhood? I think you should pay the price.

A six month sentence? I could have gotten busted for shoplifting and done the same amount of time.


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RE: Only 6 months for Rape - 6/10/2016 11:23:36 PM   
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"A six month sentence? I could have gotten busted for shoplifting and done the same amount of time. "

But in the case of a rapist it should end in execution.

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RE: Only 6 months for Rape - 6/10/2016 11:34:46 PM   
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"A six month sentence? I could have gotten busted for shoplifting and done the same amount of time. "

But in the case of a rapist it should end in execution.

T^T

Talking about that! Recently there is this British dude that is convicted on raping and sexually assaulting pre-puberscents, like over 20 of them? And encouraging pedophilia and creating child porn! He did all this atrocities in Malaysia.

The crazy thing is that, Malaysia claim that the British Intelligence withhold information from the Malaysian authorities for them to take action to arrest this man BECAUSE Malaysia would have put him to death! And UK is against death penalty.

So instead, UK prefers to arrest this man themselves and put him on a pathetic 20+ yrs prison sentence? WTF? (PS: I misunderstood, it was 22 life imprisonment, but WTF, screw free room and boarding for this asshole for the rest of his life, his still super young! I'd just hang him and be done with it! I rather they use that money to support another Syria refugee kid than house this monster!)

I'd have let him rot in Malaysian Noose!

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RE: Only 6 months for Rape - 6/10/2016 11:44:20 PM   
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That is what I, and others call ultraliberal.

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RE: Only 6 months for Rape - 6/11/2016 3:03:10 AM   
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This guy and the judge are both assholes in my opinion. He should have been given a long term sentence for rape and the judge should be disbarred.

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RE: Only 6 months for Rape - 6/11/2016 3:44:05 AM   
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No, the death sentence.

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RE: Only 6 months for Rape - 6/23/2016 7:46:01 PM   
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Very Proud of our Law Minister. This is what he said about Brock Turner Case.

https://www.facebook.com/k.shanmugam.page/


Many would have read about the rapist, Brock Turner who got off quite lightly.

His victim detailed the travails she had to go through. From the sexual assault by her perpetrator to the invasive examination she was put through to collect evidence and the interrogation in court.

The potential maximum punishment for Brock Turner was 14 years in a state prison. He was eventually sentenced to 6 months in a county jail and probation!

The 6-month sentence borders on the absurd. Cases like this can diminish confidence in the system as a whole.

Any effective criminal justice system must achieve 3 things:
· It must not make it difficult for women to report the crimes.

· It must not put women through unnecessary ordeal during investigations and interrogation in court and should be sensitive to the state of the victims.

· And when guilt is proven, the punishment for such serious crimes must be commensurate with the gravity of the crime.

I read the young woman’s account of what she had to go through in Court, being subjected to a highly offensive line of questions. It suggested a complete lack of remorse by Brock Turner. And his father’s statement, that it was only “20 minutes of action” was something else altogether.

In Singapore, we need to take a strict approach to these sorts of offences. And we need to work at making it easier for women to report and undergo examination when they have been victims of sexual violence.



I know 101% for sure that IF a judge rule on Brock Turner in Singapore like what this stupid judge did. Our PM, our Law Minister will definitely do something to make sure proper justice is served, hell two of our best ministers are criminal lawyers themselves! This Law Minister and our Deputy Prime Minister, who may be the next PM. But they would have never allowed such things to happen. They would have have interfered and made sure that stupid rapist gets the sentence he deserved! I can't believe such injustice is allowed over there! And Obama keeps quiet about it! If this happens in my country, our PM would have spoken out for the victim.

I read that a Dutch woman is thrown in jail for being drugged unconscious and raped in Qatar and she's been thrown in jail for adultery when she reported her rape, clearly in Sharia courts, rape just means adultery. Then you read in America, the judge himself saying that he doesn't want to ruin a rapist's life, that's why he just sentence him 6 months. It's just fucked up! And he has not been fired from his job! Which is the worst thing. This is why the US will never be gun-free. IF they can't even trust their judges to make fair decisions.

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RE: Only 6 months for Rape - 6/23/2016 8:17:43 PM   
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Like Van Halen "I did The Teacher".

Hang on... ...

Not showing up on Google. Got "Hot For Teacher" but I swear there was a song by someone "I Did The Teacher".

The republicans probably took it down.


Jesus dude sit down before you fall down and hurt yourself.

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RE: Only 6 months for Rape - 6/23/2016 8:21:30 PM   
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If a man felt raped by a female, then that female should do equal time! But only if the man feels raped. The problem is, with men..., some don't get emotionally damaged by it. Some actually benefit from it with confidence, especially if it's some hot teacher. Something they can brag about and look cool to their peers and feel good about.

Very different with a woman where most of the time, even if it's a hot teacher, it's still emotionally damaging for her.

Wow...rape is always bad if the victim is a woman but if the victim is a guy you think it could be pretty kewel?
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.


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RE: Only 6 months for Rape - 6/23/2016 8:28:16 PM   
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I wouldn't walk into a VA hospital while lighting up a pocket full of firecrackers, either.

Oh shit girl now you gone and done it...bad idea let loose in the fertile mind of an unemployed mcgyver geek. A pocket full of m80's down at the ptsd clinic...a video camera...a bunch of old geezers in defensive positions with a gun in each hand looking to see where the incoming mail was addressed. It could make a few bux on utube???
Yeah I am a sick phoque.

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RE: Only 6 months for Rape - 6/23/2016 8:33:51 PM   
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Also, there is a prostate stimulation, where it's inside the male anal area, where if you stimulate it, a man has no choice but to get hard instantly.

You failed a&p didn't you?

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RE: Only 6 months for Rape - 6/23/2016 11:16:28 PM   
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As some people I know would say; "Let him out!"

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RE: Only 6 months for Rape - 6/24/2016 12:20:14 AM   
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As some people I know would say; "Let him out!"


Best you cross them off your Xmas card list.

Such people are not worth knowing.

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RE: Only 6 months for Rape - 6/24/2016 10:23:04 AM   
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Tweak, it wouldn't be for his "freedom." probably ball bats and ball peen hammers would be involved.

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RE: Only 6 months for Rape - 6/25/2016 8:11:49 PM   
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Wow...rape is always bad if the victim is a woman but if the victim is a guy you think it could be pretty kewel?
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.


Actually, you are the one who has low IQ if you actually interpreted that from my statement.


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RE: Only 6 months for Rape - 6/25/2016 8:19:08 PM   
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As some people I know would say; "Let him out!"

People you know? Some people are better forgotten.



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RE: Only 6 months for Rape - 7/6/2016 5:11:36 PM   
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This guy got less than 6 months...in fact, the judge acquitted him (the acquittal has since been overturned).

You can thank the judge for this one as well. And shortly after this case was tried, and then an investigation was opened over the case, he was promoted to a federal court (Canadian).

Some of his statements and questions the judge said to the victim during testimony:

During the trial, Camp repeatedly called the victim “the accused” and asked her questions like: “Why couldn’t you just keep your knees together?” and “Why didn’t you just sink your bottom down into the basin so he couldn’t penetrate you?”

He berated her for apparently not trying hard enough to escape the 115kg (253-pound) Wagar’s clutches, saying: “If you were … frightened, you could have screamed.”

While conceding there could be truth to the victim’s claim that the experience was physically painful at the “rough” hands of the accused, Camp observed: “Sex is very often a challenge. Sex and pain sometimes go together, that … that’s not necessarily a bad thing.”


And to the alleged rapist after he acquitted him:

Camp acquitted Wagar, dismissing the crime as a “misbehavior” and even advised him how he could avoid getting himself into a similar pickle in the future.

“You’ve got to be really sure that she’s saying yes … so remind yourself every time that you get involved with a girl from now on and tell your friends, OK?”


The judge is being investigated for whether or not he should keep his seat on the Federal Bench.

http://nypost.com/2016/07/06/judge-could-lose-job-after-telling-rape-victim-to-keep-her-knees-together/

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RE: Only 6 months for Rape - 7/7/2016 2:40:44 AM   
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Shocking case. Thanks for posting it WS.

It is widely believed that only 1 in 4 rapes are reported. If anyone wonders why so many women are reluctant to access the criminal justice system, this case is a good example why. A blind person can see why rape victims would prefer to avoid putting themselves at risk of this type of further abuse.

It is astonishing that this judge made it to the Canadian Federal Court without apparently acquiring even a minimal knowledge of the reality of rape. One wonders how many more throwbacks like this are sitting on benches across the world, dispensing 'justice' as they see it. It would be illusory to assume that this idiot was the only one.

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