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RE: Affirmative Action - 6/10/2016 1:56:31 AM   
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None of that ideological 'but helping them only makes them weaker!' crapola disingenuously passed off as shinola everywhere else in the thread.

Just facts on the ground stuff here, folks.



Tutoring or remidial classes are one thing, ignoring qualification because of race, religion, or what ever that is not relevant to the individuals ability is another. When you tell people who are exactly one quarter each Asian, White, Black, and Native America that they don't have to meet standards because expecting them to meet the same standards as everyone else simultainiously creates both feelings of persecution and entitlment.


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RE: Affirmative Action - 6/10/2016 4:28:28 AM   
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Clinton is sailing to the white house through Affirmative Action, if it is truly believed that 70% of women are voting for her because she's a woman.

"Not Trump" and "a woman" aren't quite the same thing, you'll find.

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RE: Affirmative Action - 6/10/2016 4:40:06 AM   
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"Not Trump" and "a woman" aren't quite the same thing, you'll find.

How about Hillary Versus Sanders? She won Sanders because she's a woman too. And she kept pulling her woman card.

She also intentionally uses avenues like Ellen that is mainly catered to women.

And she practically used the woman card in how she will be the better President than her fellow Democrat opponents.

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RE: Affirmative Action - 6/10/2016 4:51:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Edwird


None of that ideological 'but helping them only makes them weaker!' crapola disingenuously passed off as shinola everywhere else in the thread.

Just facts on the ground stuff here, folks.



Tutoring or remidial classes are one thing, ignoring qualification because of race, religion, or what ever that is not relevant to the individuals ability is another. When you tell people who are exactly one quarter each Asian, White, Black, and Native America that they don't have to meet standards because expecting them to meet the same standards as everyone else simultainiously creates both feelings of persecution and entitlment.



Are you trying to tell us that there were never any white people in a college class you attended as unprepared or otherwise minimally qualified in mental capacity in any of your college classes, ever?

Not the experience here, I can certainly say that.

BTW, those remedial courses were available to me (and everyone else at the community college) decades ago, in the south, and I did a search for the situation in modern universities before I posted comment on the matter. I didn't look at Harvard's or Yale's catalogs, but every uni or Jr. college I came across had remedial classes. I can't imagine a modern state university system with out such offering, even if not available in every last school.

I attended Jr. college eons ago, and university 15 and 5 years ago, and never once came across the experience of minorities or even stupid white kids holding the class back. However much 'tutorial charity' might have been available else wise, within the class it was sink or swim.





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RE: Affirmative Action - 6/10/2016 5:02:28 AM   
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Affirmative Action, regardless of whether it's for the majority or a minority, is racism. You don't get less racism by combating racism with more racism. You get more racism.


AA is a clumsy attempt at putting things 'right'. It's intention is to try to redress the residual effects of racism. Whether it achieves this goal is another discussion.

The need for AA-type programs will cease when racism ceases to be an effective force in society. I find it odd that whenever this topic crops up, I only hear calls for abolishing AA and never hear simultaneous calls for abolishing or combatting racism. Nor do I ever hear proposals for alternative anti-racism programs coming from those calling for abolition of AA type programs.

While I don't doubt the sincerity of your personal opposition to racism DS, it is not a coincidence that most of the voices opposing AA-type initiatives are the same voices that oppose every anti-racist initiative, every civil and human rights initiative, ever attempt to create a genuine level playing field where all citizens regardless of their background or heritage or lifestyle have an equal chance. A lot of the time, those voices are the same voices who whitewash and excuse the most virulent racism while simultaneously denying the existence of racism as an effective force in today's world.

There are social situations where the 'cure' is worse than the 'disease'. Racism is not one of those situations. It is one of those situations where the adage 'Those who lie with dogs tend to get fleas' is far more apt.


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RE: Affirmative Action - 6/10/2016 5:11:26 AM   
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How about Hillary Versus Sanders? She won Sanders because she's a woman too. And she kept pulling her woman card.

Nope, she outspent him, was more politically acceptable to Americans and had more of her party on her side. All a bit more significant than her gender.

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RE: Affirmative Action - 6/10/2016 5:30:00 AM   
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because expecting them to meet the same standards as everyone else simultainiously creates both feelings of persecution and entitlment.


If your college education taught you to think and say that, no question, you went to the biggest dumbshit college on the planet.

Quit blaming that on minorities.





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RE: Affirmative Action - 6/10/2016 5:45:09 AM   
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RE: Affirmative Action - 6/10/2016 9:07:24 AM   
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RE: Affirmative Action - 6/12/2016 6:22:54 AM   
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Why didn't you apply to the UNCF.
Oh.
T^T


That's not a government entity. Plus, I didn't really need financial aid, having earned a academic scholarship. I'm pretty sure everyone has to fill out a FAFSA, regardless of need. My parents knew ahead of time that we weren't going to get anything because of my Dad's income, but it was a step in the process.


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RE: Affirmative Action - 6/12/2016 6:38:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Affirmative Action, regardless of whether it's for the majority or a minority, is racism. You don't get less racism by combating racism with more racism. You get more racism.

AA is a clumsy attempt at putting things 'right'. It's intention is to try to redress the residual effects of racism. Whether it achieves this goal is another discussion.
The need for AA-type programs will cease when racism ceases to be an effective force in society. I find it odd that whenever this topic crops up, I only hear calls for abolishing AA and never hear simultaneous calls for abolishing or combatting racism. Nor do I ever hear proposals for alternative anti-racism programs coming from those calling for abolition of AA type programs.
While I don't doubt the sincerity of your personal opposition to racism DS, it is not a coincidence that most of the voices opposing AA-type initiatives are the same voices that oppose every anti-racist initiative, every civil and human rights initiative, ever attempt to create a genuine level playing field where all citizens regardless of their background or heritage or lifestyle have an equal chance. A lot of the time, those voices are the same voices who whitewash and excuse the most virulent racism while simultaneously denying the existence of racism as an effective force in today's world.


The bold part says, that you don't doubt my sincerity, but you do.

I'm opposed to racism. Period. Nothing from a public entity should give a person a leg up or a leg down based on race. If the UNCF wants to give scholarships to only blacks, well, that's one thing, as long as they are getting donations from private sources and disclosing that only blacks will be getting the scholarships. But, if the UNCF is getting public dollars, then they should either give out scholarships regardless of race.

I was looking to see if the UNCF is publicly funded at all, and came across this from the wiki:
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    In 2014, Koch Industries Inc. and the Charles Koch Foundation made a $25 million grant to UNCF. In protest of the Kochs, the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, a major labor union, ended its yearly $50,000–$60,000 support for UNCF.


Just gotta laugh.

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