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Greta75 -> This mom annoys me (6/9/2016 4:25:55 AM)

I would like this mom to write again 50 years later, but oops, she might be dead by then, and then what's gonna happen to her child?

I find this highly irresponsible. Her baby might be cute now at 15 months old, but I don't know if she understands that, she needs to OUT LIVE her baby to take care of her baby who will grow into a big baby for LIFE! She cannot die!

I say this because the x-company I worked for, did their part for charity by employing down syndrome adults. We were getting them between mid twenties to forties. And it was quite an experience. First of all, although obviously we consulted heavily with their minders what they can or cannot do. Each down syndrome adult HAS TO have one minder each. And while they attempted to do the simple job, they were unable to do it right, so basically, it's just an activity for them to do something but in the end, the individual minders per down syndrome adult, has to actually do the job for them properly, so it would be done properly.

I've seen them working with us for more than 10 years, and doing the exact same thing every single day, and still regardless how many repetition they have done it, they are unable to do it independently. They just aren't able to. Their minders did everything on their behalf after their attempts. It was more like activity stimulation for the sake of them feeling like they are working. And of course we pay them for their job out of charity to make them feel like useful society contributing human beings. Maybe we got the worst of the down syndrome cases who really aren't independent, that's why it's for charity and that's my experience with down syndrome people.

But basically, it seems to be that, down syndrome people means, they will be babies forever unable to take care of themselves, or ever be independent! The ones that worked with us, even threw tantrums like a 3 yr old, perpetual restlessness, even their minders have difficulty keeping their attention span to focus on the job. Many times, the minders have to time out, like quickly finish the job, and just tell the down syndrome fellow to just stick around and observe as the down syndrome fellow was getting frustrated. And imagine instead of a cute baby, this could be a 6 ft, 200lbs adult male to manage.

So I don't think this woman is listening to the facts that the doctor is telling her, and she is not seeing the future. I hope she is rich enough to afford permanent nurse for her down syndrome child after she dies. And no, I don't think this doctor should have told her her baby is perfect. Infact, I think most doctors need to focus on, "What happens after you die? Who will take care of your child?" That is the bigger question!

If a family was rich, I would have no worries, have as many down syndrome babies as they want. They can afford care for them after they die. But let's face it, poor or middle class families. What is going to happen to the child after they pass away, like seriously? They need to not save for their retirement, but save for the down syndrome child's permanent future full time nanny.

http://abcnews.go.com/Lifestyle/mom-baby-syndrome-mail-letter-doctor-suggested-abortion/story?id=39666410

Dear Doctor,

A friend recently told me of when her prenatal specialist would see her child during her sonograms, he would comment, “He’s perfect.” Once her son was born with Down syndrome, she visited that same doctor. He looked at her little boy and said, “I told you. He’s perfect.”

Her story tore me apart. While I was so grateful for my friend’s experience, it filled me with such sorrow because of what I should have had. I wish you would have been that doctor.

I came to you during the most difficult time in my life. I was terrified, anxious and in complete despair. I didn’t know the truth yet about my baby, and that’s what I desperately needed from you. But instead of support and encouragement, you suggested we terminate our child. I told you her name, and you asked us again if we understood how low our quality of life would be with a child with Down syndrome. You suggested we reconsider our decision to continue the pregnancy.

From that first visit, we dreaded our appointments. The most difficult time in my life was made nearly unbearable because you never told me the truth. My child was perfect.

I’m not angry. I’m not bitter. I’m really just sad. I’m sad the tiny beating hearts you see every day don’t fill you with a perpetual awe. I’m sad the intricate details and the miracle of those sweet little fingers and toes, lungs and eyes and ears don’t always give you pause. I’m sad you were so very wrong to say a baby with Down syndrome would decrease our quality of life. And I’m heartbroken you might have said that to a mommy even today. But I’m mostly sad you’ll never have the privilege of knowing my daughter, Emersyn.

Because, you see, Emersyn has not only added to our quality of life, she’s touched the hearts of thousands. She’s given us a purpose and a joy that is impossible to express. She’s given us bigger smiles, more laughter and sweeter kisses than we’ve ever known. She’s opened our eyes to true beauty and pure love.

So my prayer is that no other mommy will have to go through what I did. My prayer is that you, too, will now see true beauty and pure love with every sonogram.

And my prayer is when you see that next baby with Down syndrome lovingly tucked in her mother’s womb, you will look at that mommy and see me then tell her the truth: “Your child is perfect.”

“I hope he sees Emmy. I hope he sees my words on paper,” Baker told ABC News. “Emmy is proof that children with special needs are worthy and can change the world. She’s doing it right now.”




WhoreMods -> RE: This mom annoys me (6/9/2016 4:44:24 AM)

Now I wonder: did you find this sort of thing more acceptable coming from your darling Donald's supporter from Alaska, when she was toting around a Downs Syndrome child she had in late middle age on the campaign trail back in '08?




Greta75 -> RE: This mom annoys me (6/9/2016 5:15:18 AM)

Good thing Sarah Palin is rich. And can afford a down syndrome child.

From my understanding over here, most parents once, they reach like 70 or 80 yr old, and their child may be like 30 or 40, they dump their child in a home, because they are just too old to care for their adult down syndrome child anymore!

Depends on severity. Some down syndrome children can't even go to the toilet without help.

So all I am saying this. That woman villianising the doctor is being complete unfair to the doctor who is just giving her facts and reality for her to consider!

That's what annoys me about her!

I'd love to see more stories about down syndrome adults and parenthood than cute down syndrome babies.




Staleek -> RE: This mom annoys me (6/9/2016 5:16:06 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75
If a family was rich, I would have no worries, have as many down syndrome babies as they want. They can afford care for them after they die. But let's face it, poor or middle class families. What is going to happen to the child after they pass away, like seriously? They need to not save for their retirement, but save for the down syndrome child's permanent future full time nanny.


Ahhh...

So the right to life is intrinsically linked to how wealthy you are. The right to procreate, have children who are disabled, it's ok if you have money but if someone else has to pay you're not allowed? Do you believe that taxpayers money is more sacred than either human happiness or human dignity? Couldn't we just pay more tax and increase social welfare spending? Or scrap 2/3s of the military, stop making those silly tanks, and spend money on helping people and not killing them?

What am I thinking? That's incredibly immoral!

So what if Donald Trump wipes his arse with $100 dollar bills? He needs to have a nice clean butt and there is no point in being rich if you're going to use regular toilet paper is there?

It just wouldn't be ethical to increase taxes a bit on people who own 12 houses merely to give a decent standard of living to the disabled, would it?

Still. Orphaned disabled people can still be useful. If they are physically capable perhaps they could be put to work in mines or doing factory work? If they not physically capable they'll still make decent soap or fertilizer I suppose eh Greta?

NOTE: This is not an anti-abortion post, before anyone gets that idea. This is an anti-"let-money-become-more-important-than-stuff-like-this" post.




Greta75 -> RE: This mom annoys me (6/9/2016 5:18:53 AM)

This is what dislike about extreme left philosophy. Everything is emotional. It's just not practical to raise down syndrome children IF you cannot afford it. It's longer than a life time commitment. It's like a commitment even after life!
Of course it's their choice, but in this specific case, the mother was being snidey towards the doctor who was just telling her the truth, and she brags about her 15 months old AS IF she has already been through 15 years of this. And she's misleading the world about the real sufferings a parents has to go through taking care of a down syndrome child for life! I would like to see how her letter would sound like when her 15 mth old cutie is a 30 yr old woman.

Women are the worst for down syndrome, because you cannot let her out of your sight ever! They are number 1 target for rapists and molesters out there! Rapist and molesters go for the weak. And a down syndrome woman is the weakest link on the street to target!

And this is again link to the number of people here says it's impossible to keep an eye on their toddler. Imagine how impossible it is to keep constant eye on an adult toddler! Every damn down syndrome woman rape, is like the exact same toddler disappearance story. They lose attention for 2 minutes and she disappears. And before you know it, she got raped!




WhoreMods -> RE: This mom annoys me (6/9/2016 5:21:49 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75

This is what dislike about extreme left philosophy. Everything is emotional.

Says the women getting all weepy about some special needs kid...




Greta75 -> RE: This mom annoys me (6/9/2016 5:23:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods
Says the women getting all weepy about some special needs kid...

I'm outrage on the doctor's behalf for giving good advice. For this woman to smear her doctor.

Not at all weepy about the down syndrome child. To me, she chose her bed, that's her problem, but don't claim that the doctor gave terrible advice and mislead other people what having a down syndrome child means. It's not rainbows and sunshines for life.




Lucylastic -> RE: This mom annoys me (6/9/2016 5:25:30 AM)

Yet its the right that demands all women be forced to carry to term.
But its the libs that are emotional.




WhoreMods -> RE: This mom annoys me (6/9/2016 5:25:39 AM)

Outraged or weepy, it's still an emotional reaction.
Are you an extreme leftist now?




Greta75 -> RE: This mom annoys me (6/9/2016 5:38:19 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: WhoreMods
Outraged or weepy, it's still an emotional reaction.
Are you an extreme leftist now?

My outrage does not affect my objectivity in recognising the doctor gave very practical advice for the woman to consider carefully on the life long heavy responsibilities of having down syndrome child.

Whereas, a left feels that, heart matters more, even after the parents die, the taxpayers can pay for the child's upkeep. The parents don't have to worry and just have their child.
That is highly an unpractical solution to rely on other's people money to care for your child's future.




Greta75 -> RE: This mom annoys me (6/9/2016 5:41:27 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Yet its the right that demands all women be forced to carry to term.

I believe only right leaning people who are Christians, believe in this. Left leaning Christians also believe in this. Good thing there are right leaning people who aren't religious too. And do not believe in this.




Lucylastic -> RE: This mom annoys me (6/9/2016 5:47:41 AM)

And the christian RIGHT are forcing their views and emotions by law on EVERY woman of child bearing age in their states.

NOT the left.




WhoreMods -> RE: This mom annoys me (6/9/2016 5:47:50 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75


quote:

ORIGINAL: WhoreMods
Outraged or weepy, it's still an emotional reaction.
Are you an extreme leftist now?

My outrage does not affect my objectivity in recognising the doctor gave very practical advice for the woman to consider carefully on the life long heavy responsibilities of having down syndrome child.

Whereas, a left feels that, heart matters more, even after the parents die, the taxpayers can pay for the child's upkeep. The parents don't have to worry and just have their child.
That is highly an unpractical solution to rely on other's people money to care for your child's future.

You can't be outraged and objective at the same time, as the one precludes the other. Outrage is an emotional reaction: you are claiming that the left can only react to something emotively, while you're only interested in this kid in the first place due to an emotive reaction of your own.
Trying to make some sort of generalised and unsubstantiated argument about the whole of the left being well emo does nothing to hide your own double standard in this case.




Staleek -> RE: This mom annoys me (6/9/2016 5:58:05 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

This is what dislike about extreme left philosophy. Everything is emotional. It's just not practical to raise down syndrome children IF you cannot afford it. It's longer than a life time commitment. It's like a commitment even after life!


That is extreme left philosophy. "If only one man dies of hunger, that is a tragedy. If millions die, that's only statistics" (said by Commissar of Munitions, Iosef Stalin during a meeting discussing the Ukraine famine). The far left, which has a philosophy of dialectical materialism, by its very nature suspends compassion and empathy and seeks to view the world purely objectively. All spirituality, religion, morality, even much art and culture are erased as being unnecessary to practical requirements.

Ever seen some Soviet era buildings? Go to Bratislava sometime. Walk around the old city, then walk around the old commissar buildings. You can actually feel the difference.

By the way, if your emotions are telling you something is bad but you decide to do it anyway for practicality purposes, achievement unlocked - sociopathy.




Staleek -> RE: This mom annoys me (6/9/2016 6:01:10 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

Outraged or weepy, it's still an emotional reaction.
Are you an extreme leftist now?


He actually is. He seems to take the very worst aspects of left-wing and right-wing positions and make them his own.

The good parts of each (freedom for ALL people regardless of religion, race, or culture on the moderate right, value for compassion and society as a whole on the moderate left) are called weaknesses. He likes the hard-left authoritarianism with the hard-right lack of humanity.




Greta75 -> RE: This mom annoys me (6/9/2016 6:19:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
And the christian RIGHT are forcing their views and emotions by law on EVERY woman of child bearing age in their states.
NOT the left.

The thing is, I come from a country that is mostly right wing, and we are unique right wing country that believes in abortion and supports it, maybe because we are right wing buddhists. So I think the "right" being so anti-abortion is quite uniquely USA right Christians. Not even the Christians here would even consider to make it law for abortion to be illegal. Despite their right wing leanings.




Musicmystery -> RE: This mom annoys me (6/9/2016 6:19:59 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75


This mom annoys me

A LOT of things annoy you.




Greta75 -> RE: This mom annoys me (6/9/2016 6:30:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Staleek
By the way, if your emotions are telling you something is bad but you decide to do it anyway for practicality purposes, achievement unlocked - sociopathy.

I don't see how aborting a down syndrome child is bad. My emotions wouldn't tell me it's bad at all. But I am saying, you will feel bad if you had to abort a child because of money issues, because that's what you feel.

I wouldn't. If I can't afford a child, it's getting aborted. Period! But anyway, I take very serious responsibility that I will never get pregnant by accident, considering my high promiscuous lifestyle, I take birth control so seriously, double protection, pill plus condoms, plus morning after IF there are accidents, like no fucking way it's ever gonna happen. So I will never have to face such a situation, unless I do want a child and intentionally have one, and it has down syndrome which is a high possibility as they say, down syndrome increases with age of the woman getting pregnant, then I will definitely walk the talk and abort it! I have seen these adult down syndrome folks and I truly believe they cannot have a good quality of life. And they can never survive without another human being aiding them 24/7.




MrRodgers -> RE: This mom annoys me (6/9/2016 6:31:30 AM)

Well from my experience, in the US for the right (most of it) it's about the child until it's born and once born, it's about the money. (mom and child are mostly on their own) For the left, it's about the child...either way.




Greta75 -> RE: This mom annoys me (6/9/2016 6:39:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Staleek
He likes the hard-left authoritarianism with the hard-right lack of humanity.

So you agree left leaning is more towards authoritarianism?
And I totally disagree that I approve of too much authoritarianism.
I always felt closer to the right, because I always felt the right represent freedom much better than the left.

But I don't agree with the pro-life stances of the fundamental Christian right wing. That's my biggest disagreement with them, but on the other hand, I don't think they have enough supporters even within their own little rightish sphere to support a complete ban of abortion for it to ever become a serious threat. Most anti-abortion folks are seen as religious nuts.

I am more concern that, on the far left, being Islam sympathizers is being viewed as the more positive humane thing to do. Which baffles me. Blocking abortions is the more heinous crime than supporting a regime/religion that is dedicated to the annihilation of all other religious or non-religous people. Left people got their priorities screwed! On top of that, if they support humanity, they certainly chose the weirdest religion who isn't exactly the textbook version of being humane to align themselves with.

Lack of heart, I always believe decisions that follow the heart are often bad decisions. Decisions that follow practicality, are usually wiser decisions for results. I guess it depends on what one wants at the end game.

Greece to me, is too much heart that they cannot financially support.




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