Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

20 minutes of action


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> 20 minutes of action Page: [1] 2   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
20 minutes of action - 6/9/2016 12:10:30 PM   
Svale


Posts: 68
Joined: 4/7/2015
Status: offline 		Rape culture, what does that mean, and does it exist?

The case of another campus rape done by a sports student who got a lenient sentence has again sparked off the issue as the father tries to defend his son, and the victim tries to defend herself.

‘20 minutes of action’: father defends Stanford student son convicted of sexual assault | US news | The Guardian

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/07/us...ther.html?_r=0


Is it ok to ruin a young person's life because of '20 minutes of action' and feeling wretched afterwards? Should there be a difference in rape cases between perpetrators with a promising future, and others?
If not, should the sentence be lighter for others as well, or harder for all? Should frats be forbidden, as it seems that the people there committed rape rather more often than others, and the universities seem unable to deal with the problem?

Should it be limited what you can ask of an alleged victim in court? As for instance what you wear, and all the rest? Should the ruin of this other person's life be taken into account? Should there be more help for rape victims, rather than harder punishments for the perpetrators?

Do you think there might be a difference in attitude towards these cases? Usually, when it is a drunk woman and a sport's person the sympathy is on the side of the perpetrator, but as far as I can follow it, this time is seems to be on the side of the victim?
Profile   Post #: 1
RE: 20 minutes of action - 6/9/2016 12:35:11 PM   
WhoreMods


Posts: 10691
Joined: 5/6/2016
Status: offline 		And should you read one of the three or four threads started about this already?


_____________________________

On the level and looking for a square deal.

(in reply to Svale)
Profile   Post #: 2
RE: 20 minutes of action - 6/9/2016 12:39:00 PM   
Lucylastic


Posts: 40310
Status: offline
quote:

Is it ok to ruin a young person's life because of '20 minutes of action' and feeling wretched afterwards?



Is it ok to ruin a person's life because because I cant control my genitals or think Im owed a fuck??

_____________________________

(•_•)
<) )╯SUCH
/ \

\(•_•)
( (> A NASTY
/ \

(•_•)
<) )> WOMAN
/ \

Duchess Of Dissent
Dont Hate Love

(in reply to WhoreMods)
Profile   Post #: 3
RE: 20 minutes of action - 6/9/2016 12:51:29 PM   
WhoreMods


Posts: 10691
Joined: 5/6/2016
Status: offline 		Just out of interest, Lucy: can you think of another violent crime where people argue that a momentary lapse of judgement shouldn't be allowed to ruin somebody's life besides rape?
Because I really can't remember hearing that excuse used for murder or GBH. Just rape.

_____________________________

On the level and looking for a square deal.

(in reply to Lucylastic)
Profile   Post #: 4
RE: 20 minutes of action - 6/9/2016 1:04:23 PM   
Staleek


Posts: 361
Joined: 6/1/2010
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Svale

Should there be a difference in rape cases between perpetrators with a promising future, and others?


A crime is a crime regardless of who commits it. If you allow one person a lighter punishment merely because of who he is then the system no longer functions.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Svale

Should it be limited what you can ask of an alleged victim in court? As for instance what you wear, and all the rest?


What you can ask of the defendant is also limited. You are not allowed to say, for example "You've been accused of rape before, haven't you?" or "How many convictions do you have Mr Todd?". If the history of the defendant is now allowed as evidence I fail to see why the alleged victims should be subjected to scrutiny.

It isn't even logical. "She fucked 3 other guys, so she must have said yes to him" simply harkens back to a primitive age when women were supposed to be pure and virginal and only speak when spoken to, and those who did enjoy a bit of a wilder side were thought of as immoral or even sick. It doesn't matter if a woman has banged the entire cast of 300, she is allowed to say "no".



quote:

ORIGINAL: Svale

Should there be more help for rape victims, rather than harder punishments for the perpetrators?


These two are not mutually exclusive - you can do them both.

By the way, all of this equally applies if a woman is found guilty of raping a man. Yes it does happen.

< Message edited by Staleek -- 6/9/2016 1:07:59 PM >

(in reply to Svale)
Profile   Post #: 5
RE: 20 minutes of action - 6/9/2016 1:06:13 PM   
Lucylastic


Posts: 40310
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

Just out of interest, Lucy: can you think of another violent crime where people argue that a momentary lapse of judgement shouldn't be allowed to ruin somebody's life besides rape?
Because I really can't remember hearing that excuse used for murder or GBH. Just rape.

I really really cant think of one, not when the perp has been found guilty, on three charges of anything.
three strikes you're out? maybe?
car accidents?




_____________________________

(•_•)
<) )╯SUCH
/ \

\(•_•)
( (> A NASTY
/ \

(•_•)
<) )> WOMAN
/ \

Duchess Of Dissent
Dont Hate Love

(in reply to WhoreMods)
Profile   Post #: 6
RE: 20 minutes of action - 6/9/2016 1:17:32 PM   
WhoreMods


Posts: 10691
Joined: 5/6/2016
Status: offline 		Presumably the rapist would have to kill the victim afterwards before some people recognise that it's a serious offence that might have lasting consequences or the victim.
I wonder if the "why should it ruin his life?" excuse gets used for blacks or moslems, or is it just saved for WASP rapists with expensive teeth and a Fraternity as character witnesses?

_____________________________

On the level and looking for a square deal.

(in reply to Lucylastic)
Profile   Post #: 7
RE: 20 minutes of action - 6/9/2016 1:28:57 PM   
Lucylastic


Posts: 40310
Status: offline 		affluenza strikes again ......
and again, and again.







_____________________________

(•_•)
<) )╯SUCH
/ \

\(•_•)
( (> A NASTY
/ \

(•_•)
<) )> WOMAN
/ \

Duchess Of Dissent
Dont Hate Love

(in reply to WhoreMods)
Profile   Post #: 8
RE: 20 minutes of action - 6/9/2016 1:52:42 PM   
WhoreMods


Posts: 10691
Joined: 5/6/2016
Status: offline 		I do rather like the suggestion elsewhere that the little twat is going to get it worse for being let off with a slap on the wrist and getting his face and name spread all over the internet as a hate figure than he would have if he'd actually been sent down to serve some real time instead.
Accentuate the positive...

_____________________________

On the level and looking for a square deal.

(in reply to Lucylastic)
Profile   Post #: 9
RE: 20 minutes of action - 6/9/2016 2:17:02 PM   
Termyn8or


Posts: 18681
Joined: 11/12/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

affluenza strikes again ......
and again, and again.








I just came here to bitch about people feeding the sock/troll, but now that you mention it, I remember when "affluenza" was used as an actual defense. Some rich punk did some wrong shit and his Daddy got him a lawyer who argued that the court should be lenient because he was never taught right from wrong.

If I come to power, rapists die. Statutory rape is defined by whether she has boobs or not. However in MY world things would be a little different. Boys would get very little chance. We would have chaperones, remember them ? Supervision.

God damn Muslim teaching that Women are property and it is OK to fuck them at any age got a rapist off with probation in the UK. I am not sure what the punk in the US did and his shyster made a deal with the judge somehow did, but I bet if I did it I would be dancing with Bubba for years. I was taught right from wrong though and haven't done certain things. Don't get me wrong, if I can get away with it I will fuck this government right up the ass with a ten foot pole and break it off. But I respect people until they earn my disrespect. At that point in time they are best off just staying away from me. But them that takes alot. Just calling me names n shit does not result in that. Stealing from me or my family or chosen family, they better get a fucking far away as possible. I don't have alot of money but I got assets I can liquify and pay people to assist, and they know my cunning and skills and are confident we will get away with it, whatever it is. I am not necessarily saying killing them, just costing them like 20 times what they took from me.

But, if you rape any of my family or chosen family, the gloves are off. You better get bodyguards 24/7 for as long as I live and they better be armed and damn good at it. Steal my shit, like my stereo or money or whatever, got a car ? Not no mo. I will burn your car TWICE and the second time the insurance will not pay off, I KNOW that for a fact. You gonna be a walking motherfucker.

I have actually had people come to make peace, and sometimes that works. It depends on their approach. This is how one survives in the inner city, where I grew up. Now I am in suburbia, and honestly I find it boring.

But the bottom line here is that males who will forcibly rape anyone are not human, they are animals and dangerous animals and need to be put down like a rabid dog. No remorse, just taking care of business.

T^T

< Message edited by Termyn8or -- 6/9/2016 2:21:54 PM >

(in reply to Lucylastic)
Profile   Post #: 10
RE: 20 minutes of action - 6/9/2016 2:21:11 PM   
WhoreMods


Posts: 10691
Joined: 5/6/2016
Status: offline 		The "affluenza defence" was Ethan Couch, sport. I think the fuss was more over his mum helping flee across the border to hide out in Mexico (you couldn't make it up, could you?), than him killing four people while pissed out of his mind and driving on a suspended license.

_____________________________

On the level and looking for a square deal.

(in reply to Termyn8or)
Profile   Post #: 11
RE: 20 minutes of action - 6/9/2016 2:29:06 PM   
Termyn8or


Posts: 18681
Joined: 11/12/2005
Status: offline 		Thanks for the reference.

It isn't the only time. I remember reading that a judge in the US was all fucking tanked up and ran smack into a car parked. There was someone in that car who had parked because he got too drunk to drive, sleeping and he got a DUI and the judge got no charges.

And then at a MADD meeting I hear about a guy driving a $40,000 SUV was doing like 70 MPH in a 25 zone also fucked up and killed some people and only did the minimum three days for the first offense. Whatever happened to the aggravated vehicular homicide charge ? If I did that I would probably get the fucking electric chair.

T^T

< Message edited by Termyn8or -- 6/9/2016 2:30:49 PM >

(in reply to WhoreMods)
Profile   Post #: 12
RE: 20 minutes of action - 6/9/2016 2:31:49 PM   
Termyn8or


Posts: 18681
Joined: 11/12/2005
Status: offline 		FR, BTW the link in the OP is broken.

T^T

(in reply to Termyn8or)
Profile   Post #: 13
RE: 20 minutes of action - 6/9/2016 3:13:20 PM   
LadyPact


Posts: 32566
Status: offline 		<Fast reply.>

I'm late to the party. Forgive my tardiness.

It won't be popular with most people.

I read the "twenty minutes of action statement," written by the father of the accused (and then convicted) perpetrator. Two things stood out to me.

One, having been on the other side of this, I thought to myself, "what can a person really do in twenty minutes?" Whether it's raping you, or the lessor offenses of stalking you, harassing you, touching you in your sleep without your consent, or anything else that robs you of your personhood, how much destruction can a person really do in twenty minutes? Twenty minutes can be a really long time.

What Brock's dear, ole Da doesn't realize is that it's not just that twenty minutes of action. It's everything after that. It's the interviews, the legal proceedings, the instances of putting the victim on trial. Everything from the "formal" investigations, to the quiet inquiries. It's how it permeates into your life.

Two. Do you know what stood out to me from the father's statement? It was that stupid sh^t about how his, poor, dear son no longer enjoyed a steak? Are we supposed to feel bad about that?

In my opinion, what people should be reading rather than the shite from Da, is the eloquent victim statement, read at sentencing, from the woman who was violated. She has a compassion that is greater than I would ever hope to possess.


_____________________________

The crowned Diva of Destruction. ~ ExT

Beach Ball Sized Lady Nuts. ~ TWD

Happily dating a new submissive. It's official. I've named him engie.

Please do not send me email here. Unless I know you, I will delete the email unread

(in reply to Termyn8or)
Profile   Post #: 14
RE: 20 minutes of action - 6/9/2016 3:55:08 PM   
Termyn8or


Posts: 18681
Joined: 11/12/2005
Status: offline 		Too bad the link is broken because I would like to read that :

"She has a compassion that is greater than I would ever hope to possess. "

part.

I believe that compassion is for those who have been hurt, not those who hurt them. Rapists need to be dead. And I would look their Mother right in the eye when the death sentence is passed own and say "When you have your next litter, teach them not to do that shit".

Getting raped, for some it seems like the end of the world, but it isn't. After while you have to get over it, otherwise the assailant won. I have been shot in the face, about an inch below my left eye. Well that is sticking something in my body without my consent. I got over it. I am not even gunshy, I like guns and am not uncomfortable around them unless of course the people holding them are demanding my money.

Some are not so strong in the mind and it takes a really long time for them to get over being raped. I have only imagined how it is, and even with that I can say it is no trivial incident. I can imagine getting raped up the ass in prison for example, that would be damn hard for alot of people to take mentally, but then if they are in prison they are probably at least a bit sociopathic. That probably makes it somewhat easier.

I remember a movie back in the 1970s, maybe 1980s that had a cop who was pretty much unsympathetic to rape victims. He didn't do anything really wrong but he treated the whole situation - as if it was trivial. Well one day a group of gay rapist "trained" him and he changed his tune about the whole thing.

Animals are animals and need to be killed. I have thought out a few things here, if you are in prison and Bubba wants a blowjob and you decide to bite his dick off, well knowing how animal flesh it that might not be possible. Then you get your teeth busted out. And clenching your ass muscles probably makes it hurt you ore than them, and they probably like it tighter anyway.

Rapists consider others a possible piece of meat. There is a word for the psychological condition where one thinks he is the only being and others are just figments of his imagination. This is not quite that, but close. The idea that others are here for YOUR pleasure at their expense, and that is just OK. Too bad there is no hell for them.

T^T

(in reply to LadyPact)
Profile   Post #: 15
RE: 20 minutes of action - 6/9/2016 5:12:57 PM   
LadyPact


Posts: 32566
Status: offline 		Hey, Term. Sit down and shut up.

I would like everybody reading this thread to take a moment and think about what **I** could do in twenty minutes.

If I was a less than ethical individual, think really hard about what I could do.

I have twenty minutes, right? I'm not the kind of dick who calls the cops, etc.

I've done both. I don't think I ever felt less than when a Person decided to violate me under my own roof. Decided to let his "fingers do the walking".

I will never forget that he stuck his dirty fingers in me. Never.

[color]

_____________________________

The crowned Diva of Destruction. ~ ExT

Beach Ball Sized Lady Nuts. ~ TWD

Happily dating a new submissive. It's official. I've named him engie.

Please do not send me email here. Unless I know you, I will delete the email unread

(in reply to Termyn8or)
Profile   Post #: 16
RE: 20 minutes of action - 6/9/2016 6:39:10 PM   
Greta75


Posts: 9968
Joined: 2/6/2011
Status: offline 		FR
My conclusion about this whole episode is that the father has taught his son that, "Son, you did nothing wrong, this world is crucifying you for nothing."

The problem is the parenting, and makes me now wonder if the father himself have ever sexually assaulted a woman against her will before. His support for his son is unbelievable disgusting.

I expect him to simply say, "Son, you do your time, and then come out, and start anew. You done the deed, it's wrong, do your time and learn a good lesson and learn it well."

No stupid letter to judge to ask for lenient sentence, that's what I expect him to do.

< Message edited by Greta75 -- 6/9/2016 6:40:17 PM >

(in reply to LadyPact)
Profile   Post #: 17
RE: 20 minutes of action - 6/9/2016 6:51:51 PM   
LadyPact


Posts: 32566
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

FR
My conclusion about this whole episode is that the father has taught his son that, "Son, you did nothing wrong, this world is crucifying you for nothing."
quote:


Dear Gretta,

In my opinion, I could probably do a lot of things that you would accept if I were an authority figure.

The problem is the parenting, and makes me now wonder if the father himself have ever sexually assaulted a woman against her will before. His support for his son is unbelievable disgusting.

Knock that off! Some dude that is ignorant about parenting isn't necessarily doing that.

quote:

I expect him to simply say, "Son, you do your time, and then come out, and start anew. You done the deed, it's wrong, do your time and learn a good lesson and learn it well."
Yep.

quote:

No stupid letter to judge to ask for lenient sentence, that's what I expect him to do.

Half and half.


_____________________________

The crowned Diva of Destruction. ~ ExT

Beach Ball Sized Lady Nuts. ~ TWD

Happily dating a new submissive. It's official. I've named him engie.

Please do not send me email here. Unless I know you, I will delete the email unread

(in reply to Greta75)
Profile   Post #: 18
RE: 20 minutes of action - 6/9/2016 7:06:22 PM   
Termyn8or


Posts: 18681
Joined: 11/12/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Hey, Term. Sit down and shut up.

I would like everybody reading this thread to take a moment and think about what **I** could do in twenty minutes.

If I was a less than ethical individual, think really hard about what I could do.

I have twenty minutes, right? I'm not the kind of dick who calls the cops, etc.

I've done both. I don't think I ever felt less than when a Person decided to violate me under my own roof. Decided to let his "fingers do the walking".

I will never forget that he stuck his dirty fingers in me. Never.

[color]


Hold on, are you saying someone like broke in your house or apartment and stuck his fingers in you ? Well if that is the case when he got done you should have opened the nightstand drawer and subsequently blew his fucking head off.

You imply this is unwanted, I imply he should die. Are we right on this ?

T^T

(in reply to LadyPact)
Profile   Post #: 19
RE: 20 minutes of action - 6/9/2016 7:08:46 PM   
Termyn8or


Posts: 18681
Joined: 11/12/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

FR
My conclusion about this whole episode is that the father has taught his son that, "Son, you did nothing wrong, this world is crucifying you for nothing."

The problem is the parenting, and makes me now wonder if the father himself have ever sexually assaulted a woman against her will before. His support for his son is unbelievable disgusting.

I expect him to simply say, "Son, you do your time, and then come out, and start anew. You done the deed, it's wrong, do your time and learn a good lesson and learn it well."

No stupid letter to judge to ask for lenient sentence, that's what I expect him to do.


If you are responding to #16, I think you are reading a bunch of shit into it that is not there.

T^T

(in reply to Greta75)
Profile   Post #: 20
Page:   [1] 2   next >   >>
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> 20 minutes of action Page: [1] 2   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.094