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Trump's trail of Unpaid Bills - 6/9/2016 10:37:23 PM   
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So it seems many/most of those 3,500 lawsuits he has been involved in are for unpaid construction work or failing to pay his employees, even a dishwasher.. So part of his "billions" he has made is on the backs of honest small businesses & workers.. how disgusting, arrogant and 1% of him & his daughter.. Trump, the "true American" stiffing Americans..

The Trump's claim the work done wasnt up to snuff but those suing him say that the Trump's "renege on contracts, refuse to pay, or consistently attempt to change payment terms after work is complete as is alleged in dozens of court cases". Trump even stiffed some of his own lawyers! They stiffed wage employees at Mar-a-logo (maybe cuz they are guest workers & he thought he could get away with that?)..

Apparently the Trump's think that way of stiffing businesses and people is how the country should be run.. So those people that say he is a good businessman, I guess this sleazy practice is fine with them.. I know one thing, I will never buy any Trump product or service, and that includes Ivanka's lines of crap...

Hundreds allege Donald Trump doesn’t pay his bills
During the Atlantic City casino boom in the 1980s, Philadelphia cabinet-builder Edward Friel Jr. landed a $400,000 contract to build the bases for slot machines, registration desks, bars and other cabinets at Harrah's at Trump Plaza.

The family cabinetry business, founded in the 1940s by Edward’s father, finished its work in 1984 and submitted its final bill to the general contractor for the Trump Organization, the resort’s builder.

Edward’s son, Paul, who was the firm’s accountant, still remembers the amount of that bill more than 30 years later: $83,600. The reason: the money never came. “That began the demise of the Edward J. Friel Company… which has been around since my grandfather,” he said.

Donald Trump often portrays himself as a savior of the working class who will "protect your job." But a USA TODAY NETWORK analysis found he has been involved in more than 3,500 lawsuits over the past three decades — and a large number of those involve ordinary Americans, like the Friels, who say Trump or his companies have refused to pay them.

At least 60 lawsuits, along with hundreds of liens, judgments, and other government filings reviewed by the USA TODAY NETWORK, document people who have accused Trump and his businesses of failing to pay them for their work. Among them: a dishwasher in Florida. A glass company in New Jersey. A carpet company. A plumber. Painters. Forty-eight waiters. Dozens of bartenders and other hourly workers at his resorts and clubs, coast to coast. Real estate brokers who sold his properties. And, ironically, several law firms that once represented him in these suits and others.

Trump’s companies have also been cited for 24 violations of the Fair Labor Standards Act since 2005 for failing to pay overtime or minimum wage, according to U.S. Department of Labor data. That includes 21 citations against the defunct Trump Plaza in Atlantic City and three against the also out-of-business Trump Mortgage LLC in New York. Both cases were resolved by the companies agreeing to pay back wages.

In addition to the lawsuits, the review found more than 200 mechanic’s liens — filed by contractors and employees against Trump, his companies or his properties claiming they were owed money for their work — since the 1980s. The liens range from a $75,000 claim by a Plainview, N.Y., air conditioning and heating company to a $1 million claim from the president of a New York City real estate banking firm. On just one project, Trump’s Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City, records released by the New Jersey Casino Control Commission in 1990 show that at least 253 subcontractors weren’t paid in full or on time, including workers who installed walls, chandeliers and plumbing.

The actions in total paint a portrait of Trump’s sprawling organization frequently failing to pay small businesses and individuals, then sometimes tying them up in court and other negotiations for years. In some cases, the Trump teams financially overpower and outlast much smaller opponents, draining their resources. Some just give up the fight, or settle for less; some have ended up in bankruptcy or out of business altogether.

Trump and his daughter Ivanka, in an interview with USA TODAY, shrugged off the lawsuits and other claims of non-payment. If a company or worker he hires isn’t paid fully, the Trumps said, it’s because The Trump Organization was unhappy with the work.

“Let’s say that they do a job that’s not good, or a job that they didn’t finish, or a job that was way late. I’ll deduct from their contract, absolutely,” Trump said. “That’s what the country should be doing.”

'Visibly winced'

To be sure, Trump and his companies have prevailed in many legal disputes over missing payments, or reached settlements that cloud the terms reached by the parties.

However, the consistent circumstances laid out in those lawsuits and other non-payment claims raise questions about Trump’s judgment as a businessman, and as a potential commander in chief. The number of companies and others alleging he hasn’t paid suggests that either his companies have a poor track record hiring workers and assessing contractors, or that Trump businesses renege on contracts, refuse to pay, or consistently attempt to change payment terms after work is complete as is alleged in dozens of court cases.

In the interview, Trump repeatedly said the cases were “a long time ago.” However, even as he campaigns for the presidency, new cases are continuing. Just last month, Trump Miami Resort Management LLC settled with 48 servers at his Miami golf resort over failing to pay overtime for a special event. The settlements averaged about $800 for each worker and as high as $3,000 for one, according to court records. Some workers put in 20-hour days over the 10-day Passover event at Trump National Doral Miami, the lawsuit contends. Trump’s team initially argued a contractor hired the workers, and he wasn’t responsible, and counter-sued the contractor demanding payment.

“Trump could have settled it right off the bat, but they wanted to fight it out, that’s their M.O.” said Rod Hannah, of Plantation, Fla., the lawyer who represented the workers, who he said are forbidden from talking about the case in public. “They’re known for their aggressiveness, and if you have the money, why not?”

Similar cases have cropped up with Trump’s facilities in California and New York, where hourly workers, bartenders and wait staff have sued with a range of allegations from not letting workers take breaks to not passing along tips to servers. Trump's company settled the California case, and the New York case is pending.

Trump's Doral golf resort also has been embroiled in recent non-payment claims by two different paint firms, with one case settled and the other pending. Last month, his company’s refusal to pay one Florida painter more than $30,000 for work at Doral led the judge in the case to order foreclosure of the resort if the contractor isn’t paid.

Juan Carlos Enriquez, owner of The Paint Spot, in South Florida, has been waiting more than two years to get paid for his work at the Doral. The Paint Spot first filed a lien against Trump’s course, then filed a lawsuit asking a Florida judge to intervene.

In courtroom testimony, the manager of the general contractor for the Doral renovation admitted that a decision was made not to pay The Paint Spot because Trump “already paid enough.” As the construction manager spoke, “Trump’s trial attorneys visibly winced, began breathing heavily, and attempted to make eye contact” with the witness, the judge noted in his ruling.

That, and other evidence, convinced the judge The Paint Spot’s claim was credible. He ordered last month that the Doral resort be foreclosed on, sold, and the proceeds used to pay Enriquez the money he was owed. Trump’s attorneys have since filed a motion to delay the sale, and the contest continues.

Enriquez still hasn’t been paid.

Unpaid hourly workers

Trump frequently boasts that he will bring jobs back to America, including Tuesday in a primary-election night victory speech at his golf club in suburban New York City. “No matter who you are, we're going to protect your job,” Trump said Tuesday. “Because let me tell you, our jobs are being stripped from our country like we're babies.”

But the lawsuits show Trump’s organization wages Goliath vs David legal battles over small amounts of money that are negligible to the billionaire and his executives — but devastating to his much-smaller foes.

In 2007, for instance, dishwasher Guy Dorcinvil filed a federal lawsuit against Trump’s Mar-A-Lago Club resort in Palm Beach, Fla., alleging the club failed to pay time-and-a-half for overtime he worked over three years and the company failed to keep proper time records for employees.

Mar-A-Lago LLC agreed to pay Dorcinvil $7,500 to settle the case in 2008. The terms of the settlement agreement includes a standard statement that Mar-A-Lago does not admit fault and forbids Dorcinvil or his lawyers from talking about the case, according to court records.

Developers with histories of not paying contractors are a very small minority of the industry, said Colette Nelson, chief advocacy officer of the American Subcontractors Association. But late or missing payments can be devastating for small businesses and their employees.

“Real estate is a tough and aggressive business, but most business people don’t set out to make their money by breaking the companies that they do business with,” she said, stressing she couldn’t speak directly to the specifics of cases in Trump’s record. “But there are a few.”

In the interview, Trump said that complaints represent a tiny fraction of his business empire and dealings with contractors and employees, insisting all are paid fairly. “We pay everybody what they’re supposed to be paid, and we pay everybody on time,” he said. “And we employ thousands and thousands of people. OK?”

The slot-machine cabinets

Despite the Trumps’ assertion that their companies only refuse payment to contractors “when somebody does a bad job,” he has sometimes offered to hire those same contractors again. It’s a puzzling turn of events, since most people who have a poor experience with a contractor, and who refuse to pay and even fight the contractor in court, aren’t likely to offer to rehire them.

Nevertheless, such was the case for the Friels. After submitting the final bill for the Plaza casino cabinet-building in 1984, Paul Friel said he got a call asking that his father, Edward, come to the Trump family’s offices at the casino for a meeting. There Edward, and some other contractors, were called in one by one to meet with Donald Trump and his brother, Robert Trump.

“He sat in a room with nine guys,” Paul Friel said. “We found out some of them were carpet guys. Some of them were glass guys. Plumbers. You name it.”

In the meeting, Donald Trump told his father that the company’s work was inferior, Friel said, even though the general contractor on the casino had approved it. The bottom line, Trump told Edward Friel, was the company wouldn't get the final payment. Then, Friel said Trump added something that struck the family as bizarre. Trump told his dad that he could work on other Trump projects in the future.

“Wait a minute,” Paul Friel said, recalling his family's reaction to his dad’s account of the meeting. “Why would the Trump family want a company who they say their work is inferior to work for them in the future?”

Asked about the meeting this week, Trump said, “Was the work bad? Was it bad work?” And, then, after being told that the general contractor had approved it, Trump added, “Well, see here’s the thing. You’re talking about, what, 30 years ago?”

Ivanka Trump added that any number of disputes over late or deficient payments that were found over the past few decades pale in comparison to the thousands of checks Trump companies cut each month.

“We have hundreds of millions of dollars of construction projects underway. And we have, for the most part, exceptional contractors on them who get paid, and get paid quickly,” she said, adding that she doubted any contractor complaining in court or in the press would admit they delivered substandard work. “But it would be irresponsible if my father paid contractors who did lousy work. And he doesn’t do that.”

But, the Friels’ story is similar to experiences of hundreds of other contractors over the casino-boom decade in Atlantic City. Legal records, New Jersey Casino Control Commission records and contemporaneous local newspaper stories recounted time and again tales about the Trumps paying late or renegotiating deals for dimes on the dollar.

A half-decade after the Friels’ encounter, in 1990, as Trump neared the opening of his third Atlantic City casino, he was once again attempting to pay contractors less than he owed. In casino commission records of an audit, it was revealed that Trump’s companies owed a total of $69.5 million to 253 subcontractors on the Taj Mahal project. Some already had sued Trump, the state audit said; others were negotiating with Trump to try to recover what they could. The companies and their hundreds of workers had installed walls, chandeliers, plumbing, lighting and even the casino’s trademark minarets.

One of the builders was Marty Rosenberg, vice president of Atlantic Plate Glass Co., who said he was owed about $1.5 million for work at the Taj Mahal. When it became clear Trump was not going to pay in full, Rosenberg took on an informal leadership role, representing about 100 to 150 contractors in negotiations with Trump.

Rosenberg’s mission: with Trump offering as little as 30 cents on the dollar to some of the contractors, Rosenberg wanted to get as much as he could for the small businesses, most staffed by younger tradesmen with modest incomes and often families to support.

“Yes, there were a lot of other companies," he said of those Trump left waiting to get paid. "Yes, some did not survive."

Rosenberg said his company was among the lucky ones. He had to delay paying his own suppliers to the project. The negotiations led to him eventually getting about 70 cents on the dollar for his work, and he was able to pay all of his suppliers in full.

Unpaid based on 'whimsy'

The analysis of Trump lawsuits also found that professionals, such as real estate agents and lawyers, say he's refused to pay them sizable sums of money. Those cases show that even some loyal employees, those selling his properties and fighting for him in court, are only with him until they’re not.

Real estate broker Rana Williams, who said she had sold hundreds of millions of dollars in Manhattan property for Trump International Realty over more than two decades with the company, sued in 2013 alleging Trump shorted her $735,212 in commissions on deals she brokered from 2009 to 2012. Williams, who managed as many as 16 other sales agents for Trump, said the tycoon and his senior deputies decided to pay her less than her contracted commission rate “based on nothing more than whimsy.”

Trump and Williams settled their case in 2015, and the terms of the deal are confidential, as is the case in dozens of other settlements between plaintiffs and Trump companies.

However, Williams' 2014 deposition in the case is not sealed. In her sworn testimony, Williams said the 2013 commission shortage wasn't the only one, and neither was she the only person who didn't get fully paid. “There were instances where a sizable commission would come in and we would be waiting for payment and it wouldn’t come,” she testified. “That was both for myself and for some of the agents.”

Another broker, Jennifer McGovern, filed a similar lawsuit against the now-defunct Trump Mortgage LLC in 2007, citing a six-figure commission on real-estate sales that she said went unpaid. A judge issued a judgment ordering Trump Mortgage to pay McGovern $298,274.

Turning the tables on lawyers

Even Trump’s own attorneys, on several occasions, sued him over claims of unpaid bills
.

One law firm that fought contractors over payments and other issues for Trump — New York City’s Morrison Cohen LLP — ended up on the other side of a similar battle with the mogul in 2008. Trump didn’t like that its lawyers were using his name in press releases touting its representation of Trump in a lawsuit against a construction contractor that Trump claimed overcharged him for work on a luxury golf club.

As Trump now turned his ire on his former lawyers, however, Morrison Cohen counter-sued. In court records, the law firm alleged Trump didn’t pay nearly a half million dollars in legal fees. Trump and his ex-lawyers settled their disputes out of court, confidentially, in 2009.

In 2012, Virginia-based law firm Cook, Heyward, Lee, Hopper & Feehan filed a lawsuit against the Trump Organization for $94,511 for legal fees and costs. The case was eventually settled out of court. But as the case unfolded, court records detail how Trump's senior deputies attacked the attorneys' quality of work in the local and trade press, leading the firm to make claims of defamation that a judge ultimately rejected on free speech grounds.

'Tons of these stories out there'

Trump claims in his presidential personal financial disclosure to be worth $10 billion as a result of his business acumen. Many of the small contractors and individuals who weren’t paid by him haven’t been as fortunate.

Edward Friel, of the Philadelphia cabinetry company allegedly shortchanged for the casino work, hired a lawyer to sue for the money, said his son, Paul Friel. But the attorney advised him that the Trumps would drag the case out in court and legal fees would exceed what they’d recover.

The unpaid bill took a huge chunk out of the bottom line of the company that Edward ran to take care of his wife and five kids. “The worst part wasn’t dealing with the Trumps,” Paul Friel said. After standing up to Trump, Friel said the family struggled to get other casino work in Atlantic City. “There’s tons of these stories out there,” he said.

The Edward J. Friel Co. filed for bankruptcy on Oct. 5, 1989.

Says the founder's grandson: “Trump hits everybody.”


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RE: Trump's trail of Unpaid Bills - 6/10/2016 1:47:01 AM   
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That's why when I was doing contracting it was pay as you go. you can't trust anyone.

But the bottom line is - do you REALLY want Hillary instead ?

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RE: Trump's trail of Unpaid Bills - 6/10/2016 2:13:36 AM   
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Actually, I don't know about you guys, in my country, especially anything to do with renovation and construction, this is quite common, you can use the same old contractor over a long period of time, repeatedly and there is constantly incidences of unacceptable work quality or out come, you would either refuse to pay for the job or pay them lower than what was agreed upon.

If the job is done perfectly, there is no problem. And everything is fine, but seldom does that happen. Like it always feels like sooo many hick ups keep happening!

In my own home renovation. My contractor did not meet the dateline he promised me, which cost me more rent money as I couldn't move into the home I bought and I demanded a huge discount for it or I refused to pay them. I got my discount.

The previous company I worked for always used the exact same contractor, and there were so many incidences where my boss blew up because work not done properly, work not done on time. He has also refused to pay in certain circumstances or demanded a reduction of price. The shitty thing about renovation and construction is that, I heard it's the same every where in the world, if anybody ever try to get work done, you really gotta watch them closely. And alot of things never go right. And sometimes you don't even bother switching companies because, it's the same old nonsense with every company. You just go with a contractor who can admit it's their fault when they screw up and absorb the loss themselves. It's like it's just how it goes. It's a very frustrating process.

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RE: Trump's trail of Unpaid Bills - 6/10/2016 2:25:01 AM   
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That's why when I was doing contracting it was pay as you go. you can't trust anyone.

But the bottom line is - do you REALLY want Hillary instead ?

T^T


I'd rather see blood in my urine than Trump as president.

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RE: Trump's trail of Unpaid Bills - 6/10/2016 2:28:29 AM   
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That's why when I was doing contracting it was pay as you go. you can't trust anyone.

But the bottom line is - do you REALLY want Hillary instead ?

T^T

Well if we use the so-called good faith criteria...yes !! Trust me, Trump is not alone. My partner (I was strictly office operations) took on the Westchester Marriott rehab...440 rooms. Not having success with other contractors so they told us, they wanted us to do extras such as plumbing and electrical. My partner took the work and against my advice.

We did take in around $500,000 plus a measure of the extras. They stiffed us for an $80,000 balance of the extras and more or less let it be known...we weren't going to get it unless we took action. My partner again, against my advice...let it go.

As I've written, this is a big part of the American business culture as we had to file a mechanic's lien in no. Va. Marriott property and once we did, Marriott forced the management contractor to pay and then fired them. (Marriott was not the owner but franchiser and with a mech. lien, there could be no sale or refinance) This was my first experience with such a filing and the county office where we filed was as busy as the DMV and it seemed as if...everybody was suing everybody.

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RE: Trump's trail of Unpaid Bills - 6/10/2016 2:30:19 AM   
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That's why when I was doing contracting it was pay as you go. you can't trust anyone.

But the bottom line is - do you REALLY want Hillary instead ?

T^T

to me that is the stupidest question , almost in the entire universe.


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RE: Trump's trail of Unpaid Bills - 6/10/2016 3:07:42 AM   
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This makes me wonder, when Universal Studios in my country was built. Their upside down rollercoaster on a test run, had two seats fall out when it went upside down. Later it was said that the contractors have used low quality steel that would make the whole rollercoaster fall apart within 2 years. WTF!

You gotta be so careful with contractors these days! See I wouldn't have paid those contractors. They would have to build the whole damn rollercoaster from scratch either on their cost, or I'd find someone else to rebuild it. It had to be rebuild in the end. I don't know what they did. Change contractors or used the same ones.



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RE: Trump's trail of Unpaid Bills - 6/10/2016 4:24:35 AM   
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That's why when I was doing contracting it was pay as you go. you can't trust anyone.

But the bottom line is - do you REALLY want Hillary instead ?

T^T

to me that is the stupidest question , almost in the entire universe.


Denialicans always have an excuse like that, though...


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RE: Trump's trail of Unpaid Bills - 6/10/2016 6:19:36 AM   
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Actually, I don't know about you guys, in my country, especially anything to do with renovation and construction, this is quite common, you can use the same old contractor over a long period of time, repeatedly and there is constantly incidences of unacceptable work quality or out come, you would either refuse to pay for the job or pay them lower than what was agreed upon.


Trying to compare what goes on in your country with the US? wtf? apples to oranges.. even his own people signed off on the work saying the quality was acceptable, later claiming it wasnt was just a blatant sleazy scam to rip people off..

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RE: Trump's trail of Unpaid Bills - 6/10/2016 6:27:13 AM   
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As I've written, this is a big part of the American business culture...

...and it seemed as if...everybody was suing everybody.

Agreed. I have yet to do a contract where the customer didn't try getting me to include things outside the scope of a project or squawk about the final cost. I've had to sue several times to ensure getting paid.

Suffice to say, I've got my issues with guys like Donald Trump but when it comes to negotiating international trade deals on behalf of the US, he might be the right guy for the job.

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RE: Trump's trail of Unpaid Bills - 6/10/2016 6:30:18 AM   
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That's why when I was doing contracting it was pay as you go. you can't trust anyone.

But the bottom line is - do you REALLY want Hillary instead ?

T^T


At least some of the contractors did that as well but of course it was the last/final payment that they got stiffed on.. he even stiffed his own lawyers & realtors..

The guy even stiffed a lowly dishwasher his rightfully due wages.. it doesnt get much sleazier than that.. so yeah, at least with Hillary you know what to expect.. she will cause the least damage, the damage Trump will inflict is a huge unknown, could be anything from canceling peoples SS checks (cuz the govt already paid retirees too much already) to starting WWIII & bring back the draft (for your kids, not his)..


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RE: Trump's trail of Unpaid Bills - 6/10/2016 6:43:28 AM   
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As I've written, this is a big part of the American business culture...

...and it seemed as if...everybody was suing everybody.

Agreed. I have yet to do a contract where the customer didn't try getting me to include things outside the scope of a project or squawk about the final cost. I've had to sue several times to ensure getting paid.

Suffice to say, I've got my issues with guys like Donald Trump but when it comes to negotiating international trade deals on behalf of the US, he might be the right guy for the job.

Tell me, as a contractor, are you keen to work for clients who have a history of demanding you do work you haven't contracted for, or who have to be taken to court to force them to pay, or do find other clients and spread the word that to your colleagues that the asshats who desperate for contractors they haven't pissed off already are a lot more trouble than they're worth?
Because that could well prove to be the impact that Flump's "art of the deal" is going to have on your country's international trade deals if they let him negotiate any without a keeper in tow to stop him pissing off countries you need to trade with.

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RE: Trump's trail of Unpaid Bills - 6/10/2016 7:14:58 AM   
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That's why when I was doing contracting it was pay as you go. you can't trust anyone.

But the bottom line is - do you REALLY want Hillary instead ?

T^T

I don't want either one.

If not Sanders, then Jill Stein.

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RE: Trump's trail of Unpaid Bills - 6/10/2016 7:22:36 AM   
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As I've written, this is a big part of the American business culture...

...and it seemed as if...everybody was suing everybody.

Agreed. I have yet to do a contract where the customer didn't try getting me to include things outside the scope of a project or squawk about the final cost. I've had to sue several times to ensure getting paid.

Suffice to say, I've got my issues with guys like Donald Trump but when it comes to negotiating international trade deals on behalf of the US, he might be the right guy for the job.

Tell me, as a contractor, are you keen to work for clients who have a history of demanding you do work you haven't contracted for, or who have to be taken to court to force them to pay, or do find other clients and spread the word that to your colleagues that the asshats who desperate for contractors they haven't pissed off already are a lot more trouble than they're worth?
Because that could well prove to be the impact that Flump's "art of the deal" is going to have on your country's international trade deals if they let him negotiate any without a keeper in tow to stop him pissing off countries you need to trade with.

Do you think Trump is the first guy to be this tough at business deals? Do you really think that no other country negotiates in the same manner? That they don't try to arrange things in their own best interests? Has it stopped countries from trading with each other anyway? No.

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RE: Trump's trail of Unpaid Bills - 6/10/2016 7:57:56 AM   
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But the bottom line is - do you REALLY want Hillary instead ?

No, but that is the choice you are being given.

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RE: Trump's trail of Unpaid Bills - 6/10/2016 8:00:25 AM   
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Do you think Trump is the first guy to be this tough at business deals? Do you really think that no other country negotiates in the same manner? That they don't try to arrange things in their own best interests? Has it stopped countries from trading with each other anyway? No.

Not yet it hasn't, but there's a first time for everything.

I'm just a bit puzzled that you're describing Flump refusing to pay his bills as "tough" rather than "criminal", as somebody who sounds like he's been fucked around by a few clients who aspire to that sort of business model themselves.

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RE: Trump's trail of Unpaid Bills - 6/10/2016 8:27:45 AM   
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Oh dear...trump is down 6 points against hils...fox news pol.
Anyone think hes gonna pack up his toys and go home?



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RE: Trump's trail of Unpaid Bills - 6/10/2016 8:32:52 AM   
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Do you think Trump is the first guy to be this tough at business deals? Do you really think that no other country negotiates in the same manner? That they don't try to arrange things in their own best interests? Has it stopped countries from trading with each other anyway? No.

Not yet it hasn't, but there's a first time for everything.


If Country A has something Country B wants and vice-cersa, they're going to trade, period.
(assuming they aren't interested in going to war)


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I'm just a bit puzzled that you're describing Flump refusing to pay his bills as "tough" rather than "criminal", as somebody who sounds like he's been fucked around by a few clients who aspire to that sort of business model themselves.

When contracts can run into the millions of dollars, it often comes with the territory. You learn to be prepared and work around it. But on the scale of countries trading with countries, it wouldn't be his responsibility to pay the bills anyway. He's just a negotiator.


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RE: Trump's trail of Unpaid Bills - 6/10/2016 8:34:22 AM   
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So, the nutsuckers want a guy who already said he is going to stiff the American taxpayer (who own most of our debt), social security, a man who has bankrupted four times, and stiffs the working taxpayers.

Fiscal nutsuckerism at its finest.

How is America going to be great again, and how will there be jobs? It appears as though the idea is there will be jobs magically appearing out of nutsucker felch, they just aint going to pay the workers.

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RE: Trump's trail of Unpaid Bills - 6/10/2016 8:59:02 AM   
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How dare thee god sir. Paying his dues to mere human wretches, plebs and scumbags, is beneath him. Think that's about all I can say on his murky shenanigans I cannot be bothered regurgitating his fiscal nugget video clips, from his campaigning trails, boasting of his fiscal acumen and how he will fix America and make it great again..,but curiously Scrooge like in details, and I mean even one solitary detail. Whilst people are also entitled to change their minds standing firstly as a democrat, then independent, then republican an ill wind bloweth with king of the monkey folks, mark my words. And if it was me I would not let him within 10 paces of a piggy bank.

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