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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

LOL innocent till proven guilty or is that only for white americans?
There is still no proof that he is part of an isis cell, or that he was instructed by isis...
wheres the 911 call pledging allegience? have you heard it, seen it?
If they found nothing you would prefer he go to jail, on suspision ? ?
The fact that he could buy guns freely and that republicans down voted background checks IS the problem
But of course you refuse to see it
Funny he didnt carry a swimming pool into the club with him
go on say it, only a good guy with a gun could have stopped this, or concealed carry.
Go full trump and blame obama and that he was right...stopping muslims coming in wouldnt have stopped this.
The fbi could have held him and tortured him, it wouldnt have stopped the howell bloke, who caught with guns n explosives..
if he had managed to kill a bunch of people at a pride parade he still woulda been a democrat.
fuck off you sickening jerk
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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

Such sadness. Woe is me I am becoming immune. Mass shootings USA: There were 372 mass shootings in the US in 2015, killing 475 people and wounding 1,870, according to the Mass Shooting Tracker, which catalogues such incidents. A mass shooting is defined as a single shooting incident which kills or injures four or more people, including the assailant.
Population of wicked town is about 10 000, number killed with guns per year in usa 40 000. That is killed not injured. If you are pedantic then 32,000 you may cite but it will be higher.
Mass shooting in the UK 2015: none (double checks) None since 2010.
>3.3 million AR-15s in the US . 45 rounds per minute. 0 days' wait needed to obtain one in Florida that statement takes care of itself.

I am surprised it does not happen more often everywhere. But cometh has that day/epoch/era

Wicked rantish time. Your American gun laws fucking sicken me to my very core. If I had to pick just one country.

James(it no secret who I am) mind thought, as they initially reported 20 deaths, firstly 1 injury i am always appalled was not truly shocked or surprised by that. Just another one of those hundreds of mass shootings occurring particularly in America annually..a few hours later, on the bbc, 50 they said a day later they said 49...overlooking the badly critically injured.

My thoughts are many but i will go with the initial basics:
>3.3 million AR-15s in the US . 45 rounds per minute. 0 days' wait needed to obtain one in Florida that statement takes care of itself.
How did he get it into the club is question 1 I have seen not asked anywhere

His dear father said I could not believe it myself for sanity still touches even mehttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36514608

His ex partner said, cannot find the clip said, he was prone to outburst of abuse - not a particularly uncommon occurrence from huwmans the world over

but 50(49) from 40 000 per annum is a feeble 0.1% and no-on mentioned within the same breath the other 99.9% equally appal me

I give you feeble minds, NRA, all you fuking gun nuts on here, and there, and your piece of shittery that calls itself Right to keep and bear arms- and anyone who has ever defended their mis reading off it (interpretation) over looking the fact it was written in a bygone era for specific purposes

To be a mass shooting you need 4 dead people, your argument collapes as soon as you start.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
No more incompitant than you have to be to belive that freedom of the Press extends beyond the hand presses of the day.
That Freedom of speach extends to TV, radio, or online.

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To accept that arguement you have to think that noting developed after 1790 is protected by the the constitution.

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Did you know that before the revolution there were 20 round rifles that were so deadly that some countries had any soldier caught with one executed on the spot?

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Did you know that under the 2nd you were allowed cannon. Of course you don't know these things because they would fracture you world view.

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The second amendment was written when it took expertise, practice and time to kill with a musket.

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This is one of those examples where you're supposed to interpret the spirit of the law, not the letter.

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ORIGINAL: Cinnamongirl67

This is completely awful. It saddens me it is coming to this.
I do not believe this was an Islamic attack. In fact I tire of blaming them for everything.
Wake up and know that some of these things are our own people, losing it because of the bombarding of demoralizing of values and it being shoved in our faces.
It's like painfully poking a dog over and over and over and wonder why they bite. it's best not to flaunt behaviors because look how dangerous it becomes.
This was an emotional display of unhinged anger, my heart goes out to the families and victims who suffer the pain.
America is no longer the great place to live.

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
If he was firing full auto his firearm was illegal, any semi auto fires fast, but he wouldn't be aiming. And yes there is no reason to ban them from the citizenry. Do you realize that this is 100 year old technology?

The Constitution is over 225 years old. The second amendment was written with muskets in mind. You have to be completely incompetent to think that the founding fathers intended the citizens to arm themselves with AR-15's.

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

I am uncertain whether we will ever be able to disentangle the warped motives behind this outrage. On the evidence I have seen to date it doesn't seem possible.

However if I was American I would certainly be taking note of the fact that the nutcase was twice investigated by the FBI who apparently cleared him of terrorist involvement. His ex-wife has some pretty nasty things to say about him too, and the violence he brought into their relationship, which ought to set off another set of alarm bells somewhere or other .....

One thing that I do hope for (though I wish I could be more optimistic about it) is that I never want to hear anyone ever downplay or minimise the negative effects of queer phobia again.

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ORIGINAL: Greta75
That article spots 13 Islamic Nations that has death penalty for gay people. Shooter was from a country that has death penalty for gay people. To not form any Islamic connection, is like...., seriously!! The religion is the problem!!!!! Clinton and Obama refusing to acknowledge that this is radical Islam. That's screwed up!

The shooter was born in New York.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
Jesus Christ you're a windbag, Awareness. As pointed out to you, now on many, many occasions, the vast majority of political scientists use the right/left axis. The chief reasons why you don't are a) because you don't understand it and have only the most superficial acquaintanceship with it and b) because you're so monumentally egotistical that you like to think you're 'above' it. You're making a standard first year undergrad political science student's mistake.

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You seem content to simply go along with what everyone else is doing.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
he could still have bought a gun...
Even if he had been on the no fly list.
why?

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

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ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix

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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

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ORIGINAL: Greta75
That article spots 13 Islamic Nations that has death penalty for gay people. Shooter was from a country that has death penalty for gay people. To not form any Islamic connection, is like...., seriously!! The religion is the problem!!!!! Clinton and Obama refusing to acknowledge that this is radical Islam. That's screwed up!

The shooter was born in New York.

Hitler was born in Austria.